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Air Australia ( or Strategic as it was ) used to be full service, they have now gone low coast.
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PM, I wouldn't have a clue if Air Australia can make a profit or not. But they are also running a international operation as well, so maybe that makes money and supports the domestic flights. Not my figures either, but from Tiger's quarterly report. Would be nice if they all survive, but can't help but think that it's getting a little bit crowded out there! Main difference appears to be that you can check in a bag, without extra charge, regardless of the fare. Here's a summary from their website.
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BAGGAGE ALLOWANCES: 23kg baggage allowance applies to all checked baggage pieces. 7kg baggage allowance applies to all carry-on baggage pieces.
*BUSINESS CLASS BAGGAGE ALLOWANCES: Business Class passengers are permitted 2 x 7kg carry-on baggage. 30kg baggage allowance applies to all checked baggage.
SPORTING EQUIPMENT & EXCESS BAGGAGE: Extra baggage is available to be purchased at the airport at the excess baggage rate of $15 per kilogram.
EXCESS BAGGAGE: Any piece over the 23kg baggage allowance will be charged at $15 per kilogram.
SPORTING EQUIPMENT: Any sporting equipment that is not included in your 23kg of checked baggage will be charged at $15 per kilogram. If you wish to carry sporting equipment please contact the Customer Contact Centre on 135 320 at least 48hrs prior to your scheduled departure.
MEALS & DRINKS: A variety of meals and beverages will be available to purchase on-board from the in-flight menu only.
IN-FLIGHT ENTERTAINMENT: A portable entertainment device which will be available between takeoff and landing may be available to hire on selected services. (subject to availability). This will be charged at $15 per portable device. Headsets will be an additional $5.00 each. Headset splitters will be available should passengers wish to share.
COMFORT PACK: Comfort Packs contain sleep socks, eyeshades, ear plugs, a Colgate toothbrush & Colgate toothpaste, a blanket and an inflatable pillow. These are available for purchase on-board for $12 each.
SEAT REQUEST: If you wish to reserve the exit row seats, fees are applicable. For all A320 services, each exit row seat will be charged at $50. For all A330 services, each exit row seat will be charged at $85. Please note exit rows are only available to be purchased at the airport unless booked via our website. Subject to availability.
FLIGHT CHANGES: Changes permitted only as described in applicable fares up to 24 hours prior to departure (charges may apply). Subject to seat availability and payment of any fare differential. Open dates bookings are not allowed. No changes at the airport are permitted. Name changes are permitted up to 24 hours prior to departure. First sector must be unflown. No changes at the airport permitted.
REFUNDS: Fare is refundable only as described in applicable fares (charges may apply). A refund fee of A$100 per person will be charged for no-shows.
PAYMENT: The Fully Flexible + Seat & Business Class products allow for instant purchase on the web OR ticketing required within 3 days through the Call Centre. All other products requires instant purchase only.
CHILDREN: Children aged 2-11 years pay 75% of adult base fare plus applicable taxes. No children fares available for Sale (seat only) fares. All children must be accompanied by an adult unless other arrangements have been confirmed through the Call Centre.
INFANTS: Infants under 2 years are allowed to travel free of charge subject to applicable taxes. Seats will not be provided. Bassinets available upon request.
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BAGGAGE ALLOWANCES: 23kg baggage allowance applies to all checked baggage pieces. 7kg baggage allowance applies to all carry-on baggage pieces.
*BUSINESS CLASS BAGGAGE ALLOWANCES: Business Class passengers are permitted 2 x 7kg carry-on baggage. 30kg baggage allowance applies to all checked baggage.
SPORTING EQUIPMENT & EXCESS BAGGAGE: Extra baggage is available to be purchased at the airport at the excess baggage rate of $15 per kilogram.
EXCESS BAGGAGE: Any piece over the 23kg baggage allowance will be charged at $15 per kilogram.
SPORTING EQUIPMENT: Any sporting equipment that is not included in your 23kg of checked baggage will be charged at $15 per kilogram. If you wish to carry sporting equipment please contact the Customer Contact Centre on 135 320 at least 48hrs prior to your scheduled departure.
MEALS & DRINKS: A variety of meals and beverages will be available to purchase on-board from the in-flight menu only.
IN-FLIGHT ENTERTAINMENT: A portable entertainment device which will be available between takeoff and landing may be available to hire on selected services. (subject to availability). This will be charged at $15 per portable device. Headsets will be an additional $5.00 each. Headset splitters will be available should passengers wish to share.
COMFORT PACK: Comfort Packs contain sleep socks, eyeshades, ear plugs, a Colgate toothbrush & Colgate toothpaste, a blanket and an inflatable pillow. These are available for purchase on-board for $12 each.
SEAT REQUEST: If you wish to reserve the exit row seats, fees are applicable. For all A320 services, each exit row seat will be charged at $50. For all A330 services, each exit row seat will be charged at $85. Please note exit rows are only available to be purchased at the airport unless booked via our website. Subject to availability.
FLIGHT CHANGES: Changes permitted only as described in applicable fares up to 24 hours prior to departure (charges may apply). Subject to seat availability and payment of any fare differential. Open dates bookings are not allowed. No changes at the airport are permitted. Name changes are permitted up to 24 hours prior to departure. First sector must be unflown. No changes at the airport permitted.
REFUNDS: Fare is refundable only as described in applicable fares (charges may apply). A refund fee of A$100 per person will be charged for no-shows.
PAYMENT: The Fully Flexible + Seat & Business Class products allow for instant purchase on the web OR ticketing required within 3 days through the Call Centre. All other products requires instant purchase only.
CHILDREN: Children aged 2-11 years pay 75% of adult base fare plus applicable taxes. No children fares available for Sale (seat only) fares. All children must be accompanied by an adult unless other arrangements have been confirmed through the Call Centre.
INFANTS: Infants under 2 years are allowed to travel free of charge subject to applicable taxes. Seats will not be provided. Bassinets available upon request.
And now Tiger can (at last) increase the number of their flights!!
Tiger gets half its Australian flight back | Plane Talking
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Tiger gets half its Australian flight back | Plane Talking
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New base coming late June, SYD apparently.
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Maybe the other airlines realize that there is a price under which you cannot go, ie, make money. Tiger proved that already, didn't they? Maybe the other "ripoff" airlines don't want to end up the same way as Tiger did? Can you blame them?
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From the bitre page on domestic airfares
Notes
Indexes are constructed from BITRE's monthly survey of airline internet booking sites. Fares are recorded only when they are available on the nominated day of travel (the last Thursday of the month). The series is a price index of the lowest available fare in each fare class, weighted over selected routes. It does not measure real airline yields, or average fares paid by passengers. For more information on methodology use the link at the top of this page.
Indexes are constructed from BITRE's monthly survey of airline internet booking sites. Fares are recorded only when they are available on the nominated day of travel (the last Thursday of the month). The series is a price index of the lowest available fare in each fare class, weighted over selected routes. It does not measure real airline yields, or average fares paid by passengers. For more information on methodology use the link at the top of this page.
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Porch Monkey are you confusing AA with TT?
TT didn't stop previously because of its fares
Remember your Economics from High School guys, the market forces for a product settle at a price, and for example say 80% passenger load the profit is ok for the operators with their costs, rather than drop the prices lower and not making as much with a 100% passenger load for example. All it then takes is for an operator aka LCC to come in and undercut everyone to get the same profits.
Its then Management of it all behind the scenes that can tip the scales as we have already witnessed several times that makes the difference after that.
TT didn't stop previously because of its fares
Remember your Economics from High School guys, the market forces for a product settle at a price, and for example say 80% passenger load the profit is ok for the operators with their costs, rather than drop the prices lower and not making as much with a 100% passenger load for example. All it then takes is for an operator aka LCC to come in and undercut everyone to get the same profits.
Its then Management of it all behind the scenes that can tip the scales as we have already witnessed several times that makes the difference after that.
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Delta, you don't think Tiger was grounded because they wouldn't/couldn't spend money on proper maintenance and oversight/company structure? That's what it was all about. And even saving on those elements they still didn't make a profit! That pretty much spells out that you've cut the margin a little too finely, doesn't it? I am presuming you don't buy the notion that they were grounded solely for the ML and AV matters?
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Fair point, though not many (if any?) large companies start up and make profits straight away!!
Spending money on proper maintenance and oversight/company structure...Management decisions though aren't they.
They have obviously sorted it out and the product is running better now, no?
No they weren't grounded soley for those matters, I believe they were made an example of, and a number of other airlines could have just as easily had a slap with a wet fish as Tiger was. There was more going on behind closed doors with CASA than will ever be revealed on these forums.
Spending money on proper maintenance and oversight/company structure...Management decisions though aren't they.
They have obviously sorted it out and the product is running better now, no?
No they weren't grounded soley for those matters, I believe they were made an example of, and a number of other airlines could have just as easily had a slap with a wet fish as Tiger was. There was more going on behind closed doors with CASA than will ever be revealed on these forums.
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Absolutely, management decisions, I agree completely. But ultimately, so are your fares. My post was not intended as a slap at the workers, far from it. We will never be allowed to know all the details.
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No discussion required mate! The clowns who run SY airport have already said they can fit anything in, hence there's no need for another airport. So finding room for Tiger will hardly be a challenge! 
Would a crew base in Syd be popular with crews. I understand withsome other airlines, Sydney is the least dsireable base due to the high housing costs.
Btw, I flew tiger in Jan and had no problems. yeah Virgin and QF have more flash terminals and cabin, all I want is a seat, and get out on time.
Btw, I flew tiger in Jan and had no problems. yeah Virgin and QF have more flash terminals and cabin, all I want is a seat, and get out on time.
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Unlike Melbourne airport who don't have enough space for planes.
Essendon training field is going up out there btw...
Essendon training field is going up out there btw...
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Hmmm,
was very recently involved in a discussion about 'more jobs means more movement, my chances improve etc. etc.'
then AA went bust.
(was the prompt for the previous conversation)
And now Tiger's expanding
But then can we really have Q,Jstar,Virgin,Tiger,Qlink,Rex,Skywest all playing domestic from Sydney with functioning business models? Who's first to crump? Will I have a seat when the music stops?
was very recently involved in a discussion about 'more jobs means more movement, my chances improve etc. etc.'
then AA went bust.
(was the prompt for the previous conversation)And now Tiger's expanding
But then can we really have Q,Jstar,Virgin,Tiger,Qlink,Rex,Skywest all playing domestic from Sydney with functioning business models? Who's first to crump? Will I have a seat when the music stops?
