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Old 14th Jul 2011, 20:50
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Capt Claret.....no I wasnt aware that 36 had T Vasis OR PAPI....I guess I would eventually pick up the difference when on final!! But why is this so???
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Old 14th Jul 2011, 21:10
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Facts overrated, your facts are in fact overrated. "And Australia is the only country in the world that operates RPT passenger jets on regular services to airports that DON'T have radar or a tower control service".

RPT jet operations into uncontrolled airports are conducted in dozens of countries worldwide-think Pacific isles, Japan, Indonesia to name a few. And some of that at night!

And "you will become a statistic real quick flying around Night VFR." Last time I checked no-one is operating Jet RPT ops in Australia Night VFR. Its all IFR. I do concur with you that if they were doing NVFR. then that WOULD be dangerous
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Old 15th Jul 2011, 00:34
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No fire rescue service at most Australian OCTA airports, as it's only required for international flights.
The trigger is 350,000 pax regardless of whether its domestic or international...
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Old 15th Jul 2011, 01:14
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Can't answer why it is so but I can visualise the problems if one was in fact on slope but thought the VASIS was a PAPI.

I can't think of any logical reason to have both visual slope guidance systems on the same runway, other than a disaster waiting to happen!
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Old 15th Jul 2011, 02:09
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Thailand's Transport Ministry has said it will not approve Tiger's plans to form a new airline with Thai Airways, called Thai Tiger, because details of the operation were unclear.
TIMA9X, as you are based partly in Thailand, you know as well as I do that there's a lot more to that than meets the eye:
Thai Airways, Tiger And Nok May Face Political Headwinds | AVIATION WEEK
The fact the Shinawatra family helped found Thai AirAsia does not augur well for Thai-Tiger.
This topic deserves a separate thread and so I'll stop here.
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Old 15th Jul 2011, 10:27
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In addition to the Tiger problems in Thailand and the Philippines the big problem is in Australia.

Since Tiger began Australian ooperations in 2007, the airline has run up losses of approx. $80M to 30 June 2011. This is of major concern to CASA and the opportunity to reverse the financial situation has been diminished due to the CASA requirement for further staff such as a Safety Manager and Maintenance Control personnel.

Should and I stress should Tiger recommence operations in Australia I doubt it will be on 1 August 2011. Their passenger loadings will be pathetic without any lead time to sell seats.

I suspect we may see an A320 leave the fleet very soon.
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Old 15th Jul 2011, 11:42
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Since Tiger began Australian ooperations in 2007, the airline has run up losses of approx. $80M to 30 June 2011. This is of major concern to CASA and the opportunity to reverse the financial situation has been diminished due to the CASA requirement for further staff such as a Safety Manager and Maintenance Control personnel.
And to think that Jetstar has been profitable since day one. Amazing that AJ and team. They sure do deserve another pay rise.
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Old 15th Jul 2011, 11:50
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That might be the announcement on the 24th.Maybe AJ wants to buy tiger.Jstar asia just lost another 107M.
The carrier suffered revenue losses of nearly 100 million Australian dollars (US$107 million) in the past six months because of natural disasters and events including the March 11 earthquake and tsunami in Japan
Got to keep QF bleeding somehow.
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Old 15th Jul 2011, 22:04
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Tiger is surely ******, get out if you can.

These QF campfire stories circulating on this unrelated thread indicate desperate need to rationalize blame for impending pain next month. Stop whining about why and who and just do something for yourself and family. Why not update your resume or enrole at UNI if your young enough to change paths?? Or get together with your mates and strike??

Whatever you choose I don't believe your actions will change OZ aviation's future.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 00:41
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TGW was started with only 4 a/c and a certain number of people. With the expansion to 10 a/c they planned to operate with that level of support. There are no mistakes here just business decision that were not allowable in AU. The operation will reopen on the 1st August with extra staff. And the expension will continue. The current safety issue is just an unnecessary diversion, you decide, put in place early April. The traveling public has provided the amazing load factors for TGW, better then planned. In the big picture the decisions were one of strategic planning. Nothing that hindsight won't fix. A solid business plan, again straight out of the cook book aka. RyianAir.
Read it. The opposition isn't crowing and TGW hasn't gone away. Infact they are moving to bigger offices from rumour.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 02:44
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The current safety issue is just an unnecessary diversion, you decide, put in place early April.
Can you explain what you mean by "put in place early April?" Crawford Rix started in March did he not? Was the show cause issued in March? Before or after he started work?
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 03:05
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Kidding yourself.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 03:17
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They are coming back with a name change - Compass III
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 04:27
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tiptoeturkey. You are a goose. Not so long ago you were predicting Tiger were about to operate 200 services per week from ADL and MEL to SYD.

BTW. CASA view the current office facilities as being unsuitable for the operation so I am not surprised they may be looking for a bigger office. It must be an embarrassment for the Tiger staff (except Davis) when they have visitors let alone a delegation from CASA.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 04:38
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See I cant see CASA going right you are back and flying back to normal Tiger IF they are allowed to fly I would assume will told right you can operate 3-4 aircraft do that safely for six months and then you can operate 2 more and so on, Tiger isnt going to like that and I doubt they will make money from operating that way.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 05:06
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TGW was started with only 4 a/c and a certain number of people. With the expansion to 10 a/c
10 aircraft ? What expansion ?

Take a look at this article from 2007 where Davis mentions the potential for 70 aircraft to be deployed in Australia

Tiger takeoff all set | The Australian

It has the potential to grow its fleet to 70 aircraft capable of being deployed either in Australia or across its Asian network.
From 4 to 10 aircraft over 4 years is nowhere near 70 I think

traveling public has provided the amazing load factors
Then why have Tiger cancelled so many routes and pulled out of so many destinations ?

Look at all these routes that have been scrapped recently :
Adelaide - Sydney
Adeliade - Geelong (Avalon)
Adeliade - Hobart

Read more here :

Tiger to review Adelaide workforce as it announces end to Sydney service | Adelaide Now

It announced that in addition to several cancelled routes out of Melbourne announced in early June, the airline would suspend the Adelaide to Sydney route from early August.


Amazing load factors hey ?

Amazingly empty I think

Infact they are moving to bigger offices from rumour
We have all heard this before
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 05:57
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All they'll be doing is looking for a face saving way to quietly exit the Australian market.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 07:07
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Tiger will stay. It's more expensive to leave. Their planes are tied up in cross-collatoral leases with Singapore Airlines. To unwind those leases would be too costly.

Plus, the "agenda" Singapore Airlines has will fail if Tiger exits. That's why Tony is here.

Demoted to the AUS operation and forced to make it work or he'll get the chop next.

Watch this space - they'll be back in the air - mark my word...
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 07:10
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Spot on Porch Monkey. They have been bleeding money, so what better face-saver than to blame it all on CASA? In some quarters Australia has a reputation for being amongst the most bureaucratic nations on earth - probably quite justified too - so they will feel no shame in deciding it all too hard to do business down-under.
Then Tiger will deploy their aircraft to a less regulated aviation environment and offer chosen (i.e. compliant) crews local Asian salaries.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 07:21
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ADL cuts were always obvious, there is no money in Adelaide. Ex Adelaide they tried Hobart, Brisbane, Goldy, Canberra, Perth, Avalon, Alice and now Sydney.

Gradual increases from 1 Aug, ADL base will be eased out, costs are too high to crew a base there that only serves one route. Even when they payout the SA goverment, they will still be better off.

Good to see Tony spending some much needed $$$$ for once....
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