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I personally blame unions for the killing of our industry!
Letts go back 20 years and imagine this? Instead of looking after their mates in the airlines, the unions looked after the people that where being exploited in GA.
Imagine there where fair working conditions for instructors, charter and regional pilots!
I was in GA 20 years ago. I’ve meet corrupt politicians that cared more about our conditions!
Fat cats looking after other Fat Cats!
As an airline pilot now. I think we should start at the bottom, there is going to be a pilot shortage! Make the conditions so good that a GA pilot will think twice about leaving his job. This will increase everyone’s conditions.
Learn for our past mistakes!
Letts go back 20 years and imagine this? Instead of looking after their mates in the airlines, the unions looked after the people that where being exploited in GA.
Imagine there where fair working conditions for instructors, charter and regional pilots!
I was in GA 20 years ago. I’ve meet corrupt politicians that cared more about our conditions!
Fat cats looking after other Fat Cats!
As an airline pilot now. I think we should start at the bottom, there is going to be a pilot shortage! Make the conditions so good that a GA pilot will think twice about leaving his job. This will increase everyone’s conditions.
Learn for our past mistakes!
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The industry is as vibrant as it is today simply because everyone can afford to fly. Why can they afford to fly? Because of the LCC"s. If we go back to captains on 300K or whatever and f/o's on half that then that will simply increase the cost of flying and exclude a certain sector of society from flying. The contraction of our industry will start and the rot will set in. There can be no going back.
Lets imagine that TT actually fails in Australia. Does anybody actually think that JQ and VB would increase capacity to take up the slack? NO WAY. They will simply up the ticket price and increase yield. The result is a contraction in employment for pilots by 100 or so A320 guy's. Those jobs would be gone and not coming back. This said Tiger actually plays a very important part in the airline scene here.
Most gee-wiz boys and girls get into this profession to fly a jet, anything less will not do. It wouldn't matter how much you paid them to fly scenic's around a rock they still want to fly the jet and if that does not happen they will find some other way to make money. Of course they will winge later in life that the bus driver earns the same or thereabouts without the hassles, but the money doesn't matter that much until you get a bit older, settle down and realise how hard it is to get ahead in life.
Sometimes I think about if I would be happy to pay out 35K for an endo to go fly for an airline. The only thing that stops me is that when you add that to the 75K its cost me to get where I am you are very close to a full fee paying med student's costs and they will eventually earn a whole lot more than any pilot anywhere.
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Lets imagine that TT actually fails in Australia. Does anybody actually think that JQ and VB would increase capacity to take up the slack? NO WAY. They will simply up the ticket price and increase yield. The result is a contraction in employment for pilots by 100 or so A320 guy's. Those jobs would be gone and not coming back. This said Tiger actually plays a very important part in the airline scene here.
Most gee-wiz boys and girls get into this profession to fly a jet, anything less will not do. It wouldn't matter how much you paid them to fly scenic's around a rock they still want to fly the jet and if that does not happen they will find some other way to make money. Of course they will winge later in life that the bus driver earns the same or thereabouts without the hassles, but the money doesn't matter that much until you get a bit older, settle down and realise how hard it is to get ahead in life.
Sometimes I think about if I would be happy to pay out 35K for an endo to go fly for an airline. The only thing that stops me is that when you add that to the 75K its cost me to get where I am you are very close to a full fee paying med student's costs and they will eventually earn a whole lot more than any pilot anywhere.
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SN, just look at the Hobart airport pax handling dispute, HBA wants to up this to $12 per pax, then there's the pax charge at the other end.
Sydney charges $14.39 per pax for handling & runway charges. Melbourne charges $9.21
Calculate the tech crew costs per seat for a SYD-HBA or MEL-HBA sector & compare it to the $20+ airport fee's. This is where the cost of travelling is, taxes & charges, not tech crew costs, even at 300k. Don't let them bluff you.
Sydney charges $14.39 per pax for handling & runway charges. Melbourne charges $9.21
Calculate the tech crew costs per seat for a SYD-HBA or MEL-HBA sector & compare it to the $20+ airport fee's. This is where the cost of travelling is, taxes & charges, not tech crew costs, even at 300k. Don't let them bluff you.
Sorry for the continued thread drift but this needs answering.
Yes it will but by how much?
A Captain on 180K pa flying 900 hours pa costs 200 per hour
A Captain on 300K pa flying 900 hours pa costs 333 per hour
Say 150 passengers...divide in the hourly rate...$1.33 versus $2.00
Obviously for more passengers the effect is even less.
Now when you are burning THOUSANDS of DOLLARS of fuel per hour does $133 extra for the Captain really affect the bottom line that much?
Of course factor in an FO on higher wages too but the effect still pales into insignificance compared to depreciation, fuel, maintenance and fixed overheads.
If we go back to captains on 300K or whatever and f/o's on half that then that will simply increase the cost of flying and exclude a certain sector of society from flying.
A Captain on 180K pa flying 900 hours pa costs 200 per hour
A Captain on 300K pa flying 900 hours pa costs 333 per hour
Say 150 passengers...divide in the hourly rate...$1.33 versus $2.00
Obviously for more passengers the effect is even less.
Now when you are burning THOUSANDS of DOLLARS of fuel per hour does $133 extra for the Captain really affect the bottom line that much?
Of course factor in an FO on higher wages too but the effect still pales into insignificance compared to depreciation, fuel, maintenance and fixed overheads.
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I see where your coming from with the calc's, had done them myself. Whilst it depends on how you look at it the biggest problem is that we have wannabees willing to hock themselves for a lifetime to fly jets. Additionally jet pilots (captains) still get paid a whole lot more than a GA captain. So where is this going? I don't know.
I do know that if your chasing cash then the jets is where its at even considering todays much reduced packages over yesteryear. The LCC is here to stay because they can.
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I see where your coming from with the calc's, had done them myself. Whilst it depends on how you look at it the biggest problem is that we have wannabees willing to hock themselves for a lifetime to fly jets. Additionally jet pilots (captains) still get paid a whole lot more than a GA captain. So where is this going? I don't know.
I do know that if your chasing cash then the jets is where its at even considering todays much reduced packages over yesteryear. The LCC is here to stay because they can.
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130,000 is rubbish,
Check out any employment website and it shows bus drivers recieve around 15-25 per hour depending on experience.
Also, I lived with a bus driver and he was only getting around 55k with o/t..
Still more than a REX FO though
Check out any employment website and it shows bus drivers recieve around 15-25 per hour depending on experience.
Also, I lived with a bus driver and he was only getting around 55k with o/t..
Still more than a REX FO though
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As always, to make a point, people quote the highest or best figure. Yes, you can make well over 100 gorillas a year as a coach driver. But only the best need apply. That is the top of the tree. The average wage? After you take into consideration ALL the coach/bus drivers, most of whom are on less that 50, then the actual average is a helluva lot less than that 100+. Having said that, why are we even comparing the 2 occupations? The bodgie was wrong and a fool. Let's not perpetuate the myth by using the comparison ourselves.......
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From the list of expenses I saw laid out before how much/what items can be claimed back from the tax dept?
Not sure how you get the figure of 10K back on the 28K rating either???
Is that even possible seeing as you have to get the rating to GET the job as opposed to it being PART of the job?
Not sure how you get the figure of 10K back on the 28K rating either???
Is that even possible seeing as you have to get the rating to GET the job as opposed to it being PART of the job?
I agree 'DT"
I spoke to my accountant just recently about this very thing & he showed me Tax rulings to the effect that the course costs are not claimable if they are outside yr 'current' activities meaning if you fly for Joe Blogs using PA31's etc that an A/C endo of the likes of an A320 is considered outside & therefore not claimable.
Also to gain another position such as a job with J* or Tig's for Eg by getting such a rating then that also is not allowed for the claiming of tax deductions.
If the endo is to improve yr current work activities then it would be claimable.This is the way I read it as per the ATO's paperwork..........bumma for all those hoping.
Then again I guess you can ask the ATO for a private ruling on such matters & if they say no then that's that but if they say yes then they (ATO) have no come back on you during a tax audit for Eg sometime latter.
Obviously all of the above is just the way I see it & one should seek independent advice for their own circumstances:-)
Keep saving those receipts for pencils etc
Wmk2
I spoke to my accountant just recently about this very thing & he showed me Tax rulings to the effect that the course costs are not claimable if they are outside yr 'current' activities meaning if you fly for Joe Blogs using PA31's etc that an A/C endo of the likes of an A320 is considered outside & therefore not claimable.
Also to gain another position such as a job with J* or Tig's for Eg by getting such a rating then that also is not allowed for the claiming of tax deductions.
If the endo is to improve yr current work activities then it would be claimable.This is the way I read it as per the ATO's paperwork..........bumma for all those hoping.
Then again I guess you can ask the ATO for a private ruling on such matters & if they say no then that's that but if they say yes then they (ATO) have no come back on you during a tax audit for Eg sometime latter.
Obviously all of the above is just the way I see it & one should seek independent advice for their own circumstances:-)
Keep saving those receipts for pencils etc
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Tax claims
You are correct, Wally MK 2, it is the same with all educational courses.
You can ONLY claim it if it has a direct relevance to your role in that tax year. For example, if you want to educate yourself in any manner, it cannot be 'in the hope of a better job' it has to be to help you in your current role.
I guess this stops people doing course after course and claiming it back.
I hit this wall a few years ago!
You can ONLY claim it if it has a direct relevance to your role in that tax year. For example, if you want to educate yourself in any manner, it cannot be 'in the hope of a better job' it has to be to help you in your current role.
I guess this stops people doing course after course and claiming it back.
I hit this wall a few years ago!
Tnxs 'Nav' It's pretty much what my guy said whom I have known for many a year who is/was an ex ATO Accountant so I guess I trust his judgment on such matters.
Now if I could only get the RFDS to operate a heavy Jet then such an Endo would be relevant, ...ahhh I love the smell of 2 stroke in da mornin'...............tell 'em he's dreamin'!
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Now if I could only get the RFDS to operate a heavy Jet then such an Endo would be relevant, ...ahhh I love the smell of 2 stroke in da mornin'...............tell 'em he's dreamin'!
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Get yourself a better accountant who can work / interpret the rules to your advantage.
Got 16K return from 36k paid. therefore net cost of rating was 20K. I know others who have done the same.
Got 16K return from 36k paid. therefore net cost of rating was 20K. I know others who have done the same.
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GB et al
Still thought any "misunderstanding" still rested with the taxpayer if questions asked/an audit invoked regardless of advice of accountant - hence your signature on the piece of paper.
Things changed??
Cheers
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Still thought any "misunderstanding" still rested with the taxpayer if questions asked/an audit invoked regardless of advice of accountant - hence your signature on the piece of paper.
Things changed??
Cheers
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Get yourself a better accountant who can work / interpret the rules to your advantage.
Got 16K return from 36k paid. therefore net cost of rating was 20K. I know others who have done the same.
Got 16K return from 36k paid. therefore net cost of rating was 20K. I know others who have done the same.
If you search enough for the right accountant, you will one that will claim anything. In this day and age of self assesment, it is not his problem, you can pretty much claim anything, and when you sign the return the responsibility is all yours to prove the claim is valid ( for 5 years )
As already mentioned above the rule is black and white, the only grey is what Jetstar and ( I think VB ) guys have used and that is they have a signed contract in their hand stating they need the rating as part of their conditions of employment, according to Simon Luton ( AFAP tax lawyer ) this is sufficient, do Tiger give you a work contract/agreement prior to you getting the endo ? If the answer is no, you could be in a world of hurt
It does'nt matter how many guys ahve gotten away with it, if you're the poor schmuck that gets caught its a 100% fine plus interest...ouchI'm pretty sure " I know others who have done the same " won't stand up in court or at the ATO audit.
As an aside, the ATO has challenged 2-3 AFAP members ( all VB I think ) and the ATO lost with their usual statement " this does not set a precedence "
Galdian, spot on, the accountant has zero accountability ( no pun intended ) " yes your honour, jo bloggs told me that his claim was legit and see, he signed here "
The accountant will be glad to help you out though if you get an audit, at $200/hr.
Delta, the amount you get back will depend on your income in the year you claim, if you were in the top tax bracket you would get about 46% back
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I have read the tax legislation on this subject. Stretching the parameters, look at it in a broad sense, forget when you started employment with tiger and when you actually did the endo, add a portion of hope and you may get away with it. Look out if you get an audit though.
As I see it its a no go. Would I try it on? Absolutely in the hope of no audit. I know of plenty who have claimed it and hopefully they don't get audited.
I would love to hear from anyone who has been taken employment under these circumstances and subsequently been audited just to know what happened.
SN
As I see it its a no go. Would I try it on? Absolutely in the hope of no audit. I know of plenty who have claimed it and hopefully they don't get audited.
I would love to hear from anyone who has been taken employment under these circumstances and subsequently been audited just to know what happened.
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Sorry, hope this isn't seen as thread drift but it is directly related to the airline...
So if you do the salary sacrifice deal Tiger is offering for the rating isn't that rather hard for the Tax Dept to get out of, seeing as the employer is actually making the deductions?
Or have some of you gone else where for the rating as you found a cheaper course and so paid lump sum?
So if you do the salary sacrifice deal Tiger is offering for the rating isn't that rather hard for the Tax Dept to get out of, seeing as the employer is actually making the deductions?
Or have some of you gone else where for the rating as you found a cheaper course and so paid lump sum?