Merged: Qantas Engineers Set to Strike
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Does "Dath" (GD) look a sickly sight to anyone? He sure is looking very aged. Am sure his health is suffering. He won't be around 4ever in more ways than one, keep the pressure up & he may just blow a gasket!
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Fortunetly PAF yr thoughts are in the minority, phew
The man they really hate as you say IS showing signs of pressure & if it takes a zillion stop work meetings to bring him down then that's what must be done & I support them as almost everyone else in here does. This country didn't get where it is today enjoying what's left of a hard fought battle the likes of the Eureka Stockade by thinking along the lines of you !
The real criminals are the blood sucking leaches of this society who want their cake & eat it too!
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The man they really hate as you say IS showing signs of pressure & if it takes a zillion stop work meetings to bring him down then that's what must be done & I support them as almost everyone else in here does. This country didn't get where it is today enjoying what's left of a hard fought battle the likes of the Eureka Stockade by thinking along the lines of you !
The real criminals are the blood sucking leaches of this society who want their cake & eat it too!CW
PAF:
PAF , Piss off and go bomb some women and children.
There's a good chap.
You may not like the conditions you work under, however punishing random people in society (in an attempt to punish your CEO) should really be criminal.
There's a good chap.
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PAF- people are logging on to these threads to get an update on the latest info regarding the LAMES dispute.
We are not interested in the ideological rantings of a naive and underworked public servant who hijacks the thread with no knowledge of what he's talking about.
People are putting 10,20, 30 yr careers and their families livlihood on the line to stand up for something they believe in. Stop trying to bait them with your ill informed dribble.
What they're doing is completely legal. If you think it should be criminal go and live in Zimbabwe, China, Burma or any other autocratic despotic regime that you choose.
BUT JUST GO AWAY!!
We are not interested in the ideological rantings of a naive and underworked public servant who hijacks the thread with no knowledge of what he's talking about.
People are putting 10,20, 30 yr careers and their families livlihood on the line to stand up for something they believe in. Stop trying to bait them with your ill informed dribble.
What they're doing is completely legal. If you think it should be criminal go and live in Zimbabwe, China, Burma or any other autocratic despotic regime that you choose.
BUT JUST GO AWAY!!
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PAF- who is using the family brain cell today? Dickson also does not care about the flying public. In a recorded statement yesterday he stated that if the public have to suffer delay's then so be it. He will do whatever it takes to defeat the engineers...................oh but wait now the long haul pilots and short haul crews EBA's are up too, getting a lot harder now for him.
So piss off you dick with ears and let the people who care have a say!!!
So piss off you dick with ears and let the people who care have a say!!!
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PAF,
I'm still attempting to get you to answer what would be your advice to the Founding Fathers of the largest capitalist economy in the world in the 1770s when they had had it up to here with their masters and decided that they wouldn't take it anymore
I'm still attempting to get you to answer what would be your advice to the Founding Fathers of the largest capitalist economy in the world in the 1770s when they had had it up to here with their masters and decided that they wouldn't take it anymore
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Hi PAF
I PMed this to you to be sure you read it. It is also posted for all to see so that you can not cry foul and say you are being attacked personally.
It is clear from your posts that you are (used to be?) a military aviator of some sorts. I salute, applaud and thank all military types out there for putting their lives on the line to make this country safe.
It takes a special kind of person to fly a fast jet in a "hot zone", knowing there are numerous people on the ground and in the air with missiles aimed at your jet pipes. Whether you fly fast jets, helicopters or transport does not matter, the risks are the same. The reason why it seems to work is that the military is based on a culture of "SIR YES SIR" and whatever the highest ranking officer said goes, no questions asked. If you wish to not comply there are ways and means of dealing with that ie. court marshall and so on. The military is no place for the individual and thats why it runs like clockwork.
I can therefore understand that it must be hard for you to look at the Q and see that it does not operate like clockwork. In fact it looks like chaos most days. From the posts I have made, you can clearly see that I am a militant unionist and I know that it is at odds with your point of view. I will be the first to admit that the union protects the weak and holds back the strong. It does however also give a voice to the small people out there so that big corporations can't just walk over them.
There's a thread running on pprune about RAAF pilots leaving at the moment. I think these people are voting with their feet as you suggested, if you don't like the conditions. There are many pilots left, I am sure, who like flying fast jets that much, that they stick around and eat the crappy conditions with a hope of these improving some time.
Now, many of the LAME's I know, myself included, thrive on the challenge of seeing a jumbo bucket of bolts arrive at the gate with numerous defects. We enjoy the challenge of applying our knowledge and skill to see the bird flying again and on time. We enjoy it that much that we are sticking it out in the hope that the conditions improve. More than waiting we are doing something about it. I know you do not agree with our actions but you don't have to.
This thread is a discussion/info forum for the Q LAME EBA. You do not have to agree with the views and you are entitled to your own (opposing) view. This thread is not about whether we are right or wrong and therefore you can not change the LAME's point of view.
I ask that next time you post you bear this in mind. I will not try to tell you how the military is run or should run. (I have no idea and don't care) I ask you to please not tell us that our actions should be criminal and so on. We are dealing with our issues the way we we see fit. It is still legal for us to do so.
You will have the opportunity to say "Told you so" when it all goes south. I hope the LAME's don't say it when they win.
Stand strong LAME
I PMed this to you to be sure you read it. It is also posted for all to see so that you can not cry foul and say you are being attacked personally.
It is clear from your posts that you are (used to be?) a military aviator of some sorts. I salute, applaud and thank all military types out there for putting their lives on the line to make this country safe.
It takes a special kind of person to fly a fast jet in a "hot zone", knowing there are numerous people on the ground and in the air with missiles aimed at your jet pipes. Whether you fly fast jets, helicopters or transport does not matter, the risks are the same. The reason why it seems to work is that the military is based on a culture of "SIR YES SIR" and whatever the highest ranking officer said goes, no questions asked. If you wish to not comply there are ways and means of dealing with that ie. court marshall and so on. The military is no place for the individual and thats why it runs like clockwork.
I can therefore understand that it must be hard for you to look at the Q and see that it does not operate like clockwork. In fact it looks like chaos most days. From the posts I have made, you can clearly see that I am a militant unionist and I know that it is at odds with your point of view. I will be the first to admit that the union protects the weak and holds back the strong. It does however also give a voice to the small people out there so that big corporations can't just walk over them.
There's a thread running on pprune about RAAF pilots leaving at the moment. I think these people are voting with their feet as you suggested, if you don't like the conditions. There are many pilots left, I am sure, who like flying fast jets that much, that they stick around and eat the crappy conditions with a hope of these improving some time.
Now, many of the LAME's I know, myself included, thrive on the challenge of seeing a jumbo bucket of bolts arrive at the gate with numerous defects. We enjoy the challenge of applying our knowledge and skill to see the bird flying again and on time. We enjoy it that much that we are sticking it out in the hope that the conditions improve. More than waiting we are doing something about it. I know you do not agree with our actions but you don't have to.
This thread is a discussion/info forum for the Q LAME EBA. You do not have to agree with the views and you are entitled to your own (opposing) view. This thread is not about whether we are right or wrong and therefore you can not change the LAME's point of view.
I ask that next time you post you bear this in mind. I will not try to tell you how the military is run or should run. (I have no idea and don't care) I ask you to please not tell us that our actions should be criminal and so on. We are dealing with our issues the way we we see fit. It is still legal for us to do so.
You will have the opportunity to say "Told you so" when it all goes south. I hope the LAME's don't say it when they win.
Stand strong LAME
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I've just logged in to see if anything interesting has happened today in the Qantas network, and all I am reading is PAF this and PAF that, then some snipes at the health of our CEO.
Guys, please see the writing at the bottom of this page (in red ink) and remember that those standing on the outside looking in maybe forming an opinion based on our integrity. I am sure that during these negotiations, there will be others deliberately trying to bring the worst out in us.
Although we are obviously in disagreement with our CEO and some of his personal issues, I would more than welcome him if he did come round and decide to work with the QF workforce for a more happier and productive work environment.
But until then, in the words of the Fed Sec, I wish him well in his retirement next year, and may the best man win!
Guys, please see the writing at the bottom of this page (in red ink) and remember that those standing on the outside looking in maybe forming an opinion based on our integrity. I am sure that during these negotiations, there will be others deliberately trying to bring the worst out in us.
Although we are obviously in disagreement with our CEO and some of his personal issues, I would more than welcome him if he did come round and decide to work with the QF workforce for a more happier and productive work environment.
But until then, in the words of the Fed Sec, I wish him well in his retirement next year, and may the best man win!
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You know what stands out to me and others now most of all.
During the stop work meetings,management had some of thier own "SCAB MANAGEMENT" leave thier current posts to attempt to fill the positions of LAMES to keep limited operations.
Who was doing thier normal jobs in this time. NO ONE.
This tells me that an airline can easily get by with out MANAGERS but it CAN'T get by without LAMES.
Now who really contributes the most to the smooth running of this company.
Work that one out.
During the stop work meetings,management had some of thier own "SCAB MANAGEMENT" leave thier current posts to attempt to fill the positions of LAMES to keep limited operations.
Who was doing thier normal jobs in this time. NO ONE.
This tells me that an airline can easily get by with out MANAGERS but it CAN'T get by without LAMES.
Now who really contributes the most to the smooth running of this company.
Work that one out.
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PAF nobody in here is expecting the flying public to be going along with what the engineers are trying to do. Of course they will be p*ssed off 'cause of the strikes, so is everyone else when the petrol tanker drivers used to strike, the brewery went on strike but they got what they where fighting for beacause they where left no alternative & we still survived the dissruption of their actions. The flying public only see/hear GD not the engineers, their too busy working for a bowl of rice, it's the head fool that's out front getting all the attention & sympathy from the public.
As usual pretty much all the posts here believe yr in the minority, I think yr fighting a loosing battle, only hope yr not sent to the front, then again we can only hope I guess
!
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As usual pretty much all the posts here believe yr in the minority, I think yr fighting a loosing battle, only hope yr not sent to the front, then again we can only hope I guess
!CW
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Dixon - Liar Or Just Out Of Touch???
“To date, we have not experienced any significant issues as a result of the union’s overtime bans,” (Dixon. smh.com.au 28May08)
To you, Geoff, this is of no concern because you were not inconvenienced, only Qantas passengers. Unfortunately for them, they could not dump Qantas to catch a British Airways flight like you did. What was your quote again Geoff? Something like 'I don't care if passengers get disrupted, I'm not giving the engineers anything'.
Your leadership is on display, it's not a pretty sight!
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PIOT BORD
They're still bitter and twisted over the 8hr debacle... More to come I guess
Spare a thought for the Qantas Engineers in Perth, they have had a very busy day trying to cope with those insignificant issues that Geoff was talking about. Qantas Domestic departures over the entire day averaged 1 hour 21 min late. That does not include the 4 cancelled flights.