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Hey dragun, you might just be surprised about my 'experience level' The whingers are likely the ones (like you) who don't have the quals to be employed. I'll bet any money you like that VAus will fill every one of those 777 Capt seats and still have some left over. You must be Gods gift to aviation to be worth so much money. Anyway, there is a loooong queue of foreigh pilots (American and Brazilian) , VERY experienced 777 pilots too, who will jump at the job and the money on offer. Outfits like KAL are paying about US$12000/month, do the maths pal, even after tax here you get about the same, and live in Australia, priceless. Back to your cessna my little friend and keep dreamin......
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Err!...is that right?...135K for a s/o (note the lower case) on a jumbo with the RAT?
Is there an age limit on that?
I mean, I'm retired, but for 135K to sit on the jump seat to the States or the UK, to catch up with my retired airline mates on the overnights, sounds like a good deal to me!
Would 18,000 hrs and age 58 make the grade for a job with the RAT as a s/o?
Is there an age limit on that?
I mean, I'm retired, but for 135K to sit on the jump seat to the States or the UK, to catch up with my retired airline mates on the overnights, sounds like a good deal to me!
Would 18,000 hrs and age 58 make the grade for a job with the RAT as a s/o?
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Go For It!!
Go for it Obie.......if you are serious go to:
http:/www.bfound.net/list.aspx?Cold=43&rq=7
You will find the information under Flight Crew-V Australia. Applications close on the 7th of September 2008.
FLIGHT CREW MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS
Flight Time requirements are preferred hours, but exceptions may be made dependent on the applicant's aircraft type and experience. Pilots with less experience than stipulated are welcome to apply.
Captain
8,000 hours total flying time
3,000 hours in command of multi-crew, multi-engine jet aircraft in excess of 40,000 kgs
Current ICAO ATPL, command multi-engine instrument rating and class one medical
Demonstrated experience in a leadership capacity
English Language fluency (written and verbal comprehension)
An ability to communicate effectively in a dynamic operational environment
The desire to learn and grow
Ability to live and work in Australia
B777 type rating desirable
Wide body long haul experience desirable
First Officer
4,000 hours total flying time
2,000 hours multi-crew, multi-engine jet aircraft in excess of 40,000 kgs
Current ICAO ATPL, command multi-engine instrument rating and class one medical
English Language fluency (written and verbal comprehension)
An ability to communicate effectively in a dynamic operational environment
The desire to learn and grow
Ability to live and work in Australia
B777 type rating desirable
Wide body long haul experience desirable
Cruise Relief First Officer
1,000 hours fixed wing experience (turbine experience desirable)
500 hours on multi-engine aircraft
Current ICAO ATPL (or Australian CPL with passes in all ATPL theory subjects), command multi-engine instrument rating and class one medical
English Language fluency (written and verbal comprehension)
An ability to communicate effectively in a dynamic operational environment
The desire to learn and grow
Ability to live and work in Australia
B777 type rating desirable
Wide body long haul experience desirable
http:/www.bfound.net/list.aspx?Cold=43&rq=7
You will find the information under Flight Crew-V Australia. Applications close on the 7th of September 2008.
FLIGHT CREW MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS
Flight Time requirements are preferred hours, but exceptions may be made dependent on the applicant's aircraft type and experience. Pilots with less experience than stipulated are welcome to apply.
Captain
8,000 hours total flying time
3,000 hours in command of multi-crew, multi-engine jet aircraft in excess of 40,000 kgs
Current ICAO ATPL, command multi-engine instrument rating and class one medical
Demonstrated experience in a leadership capacity
English Language fluency (written and verbal comprehension)
An ability to communicate effectively in a dynamic operational environment
The desire to learn and grow
Ability to live and work in Australia
B777 type rating desirable
Wide body long haul experience desirable
First Officer
4,000 hours total flying time
2,000 hours multi-crew, multi-engine jet aircraft in excess of 40,000 kgs
Current ICAO ATPL, command multi-engine instrument rating and class one medical
English Language fluency (written and verbal comprehension)
An ability to communicate effectively in a dynamic operational environment
The desire to learn and grow
Ability to live and work in Australia
B777 type rating desirable
Wide body long haul experience desirable
Cruise Relief First Officer
1,000 hours fixed wing experience (turbine experience desirable)
500 hours on multi-engine aircraft
Current ICAO ATPL (or Australian CPL with passes in all ATPL theory subjects), command multi-engine instrument rating and class one medical
English Language fluency (written and verbal comprehension)
An ability to communicate effectively in a dynamic operational environment
The desire to learn and grow
Ability to live and work in Australia
B777 type rating desirable
Wide body long haul experience desirable
I think Obie is referring to a position with QF.
That quoted pay for a Classic S/O is straight from the horses mouth. In fact my very good friend has been hassleing me to do just that. Not quite sure if it's for me, but the there is no denying the money is very not bad.
Also Obie, have a look at some of the other posts. A 400 S/O can earn even more!
That quoted pay for a Classic S/O is straight from the horses mouth. In fact my very good friend has been hassleing me to do just that. Not quite sure if it's for me, but the there is no denying the money is very not bad.
Also Obie, have a look at some of the other posts. A 400 S/O can earn even more!
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So why would you even bother being a Captain with VA, with all of the legal liability and responsibility that entails, when you could be a Qantas FO...no wait, you could be a Qantas SO!!!
Forget oil crises etc, VA will be creating its own problems with salaries like these.
Forget oil crises etc, VA will be creating its own problems with salaries like these.
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You're very right....
Any airline paying salaries that are unsustainable in the long run will not prosper. One wonders about the motivation of pilots attracted to the jobs mentioned in these posts by salaries others find laughable, considering the level of the pilots' experience and job responsibilities.
In general I think we would all support pilots being paid exactly what they're worth. Any pilot who, by hook or by crook, decides to work for a salary different to what he/she is worth, is doing wrong. And one wonders what to think about management who offer salaries so out of whack with what a free market would pay.
Back to the shed to work on the tractor. I can't understand all this.
Any airline paying salaries that are unsustainable in the long run will not prosper. One wonders about the motivation of pilots attracted to the jobs mentioned in these posts by salaries others find laughable, considering the level of the pilots' experience and job responsibilities.
In general I think we would all support pilots being paid exactly what they're worth. Any pilot who, by hook or by crook, decides to work for a salary different to what he/she is worth, is doing wrong. And one wonders what to think about management who offer salaries so out of whack with what a free market would pay.
Back to the shed to work on the tractor. I can't understand all this.
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Strewth!...I see a whole new career opening up here for retired pilots like me! Bugger doing sim work for 80k! Why not sit on the jump seat or in the first class cabin, wining and dining like a Prince and having a great hassle free life for lots of coin, plus great overnights in first class hotels, at no expense, catching up with your mates!
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What a disgraceful COS!
I rekon we can thank the snotty nose arrogant Generation Y pricks(Future of VOZ) who are so desperate for that big shiny jet, they sell there mothers prized possesions to get a gig with this gang.
Dog
I rekon we can thank the snotty nose arrogant Generation Y pricks(Future of VOZ) who are so desperate for that big shiny jet, they sell there mothers prized possesions to get a gig with this gang.
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None of this VAUS stuff surprises me. There will be staff turnover at this airline. People will get board and tire of the same lies that will continue to run, day in and day out. Flight Ops will be operating with one hand behind its back, the place will be micromanaged to the S^&T House, its going to be a shambles.
Forget Business Class meals (EMT will not allow pilots to eat of the cart)
Forget Business Class upgrades on staff travel (EMT will not allow it)
VB flight ops are not even aware of CRZ FO's coming across to VB
Like I have said before:
Enjoy your cardboard box meal across the Pacific, enjoy the S%^T pay, enjoy the S$%T hotels, enjoy the 1000hrs a year and nine days off per month and enjoy the jet lag.
They wont have a problem filling these seats, just look at the EBA's we vote in during pilot shortages. I wish I had millions of dollars to burn and start an Airline, having an inside knowledge of how pilots think, I could have alot of fun screwing them to the wall.
Forget Business Class meals (EMT will not allow pilots to eat of the cart)
Forget Business Class upgrades on staff travel (EMT will not allow it)
VB flight ops are not even aware of CRZ FO's coming across to VB
Like I have said before:
Enjoy your cardboard box meal across the Pacific, enjoy the S%^T pay, enjoy the S$%T hotels, enjoy the 1000hrs a year and nine days off per month and enjoy the jet lag.
They wont have a problem filling these seats, just look at the EBA's we vote in during pilot shortages. I wish I had millions of dollars to burn and start an Airline, having an inside knowledge of how pilots think, I could have alot of fun screwing them to the wall.
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genex - sorry but the QF salaries are at the the lower-end of the global industry norm. They ARE sustainable (QF have been around for a while). In HK, the 'trifling' QF salaries are looked down on. FedEx Captains sneer at such pitiful salaries as QF. I'm sorry you didn't/don't get those sort of $ but that's the way of the world in spite of all the current 'crises'. But haven't there always been 'crises'. World Wars, previous oil problems etc.
The one thing there IS, is a global pilot shortage.
This VA rock bottom salary as reported is not a recipe for their long-term success.
The one thing there IS, is a global pilot shortage.
This VA rock bottom salary as reported is not a recipe for their long-term success.
wots a COS?
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Why not sit on the jump seat or in the first class cabin, wining and dining like a Prince and having a great hassle free life for lots of coin,
Or Business if they are lucky!
While the 'real' pilots wine and dine in First...
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Thanks very much doggydog.. I'm Gen Y, and I can honestly say that I've been working my tail end off for the past 5 years, most of it in outback and East coast Australia. My oldies have given me the dream start (just lucky), and I can't thank them enough. Thankfully, I've almost payed them back for my training and feel as though I've earnt my way up the aviation ladder.
Although I'd love to be a part of VAus and fly a great new machine, I like many others wont be lowering myself to the T&C's they're offering. I believe that the job is too much of a risk at the moment anyway, especially seeing the excellent position I'm in at the moment. After all, an aircraft is an aircraft - only jets go higher, further, faster and generally to better destinations!
My question is: will these V Aus pilots be named as ..?? 'the guys/girls who accepted those T&Cs' against the rest of the pilot groups..?
go_soaring! instead
Although I'd love to be a part of VAus and fly a great new machine, I like many others wont be lowering myself to the T&C's they're offering. I believe that the job is too much of a risk at the moment anyway, especially seeing the excellent position I'm in at the moment. After all, an aircraft is an aircraft - only jets go higher, further, faster and generally to better destinations!
My question is: will these V Aus pilots be named as ..?? 'the guys/girls who accepted those T&Cs' against the rest of the pilot groups..?
go_soaring! instead
go_soaring (et-al)
I'm a current VB Capt - received the standard email offering an interview and possible job offer. I checked the T&C and found that it wasn't for me. Application went no further.
Reverse the situation and I accept the interview and accept the job.
MY DECISION!
Why on earth would I need to be "named as ??"
It gets up my nose that unless the T&C that I accept are acceptable to the vocal few on these pages then I am deemed to be some pariah of Australian Aviation.
I have a responsibility to my family, myself and my passengers.
If a pilot chooses to accept the job on offer good on him/her. It is an industry that will change dependant upon the supply and demand of both pilots and passengers.
If YOU don't like the job and it's T&C's don't take it - but don't expect others to bound to YOUR expectations - YOU may just find that YOU don't quite meet the expectations of the next guy!!!
Get off your high horse and grow up!
I'm a current VB Capt - received the standard email offering an interview and possible job offer. I checked the T&C and found that it wasn't for me. Application went no further.
Reverse the situation and I accept the interview and accept the job.
MY DECISION!
Why on earth would I need to be "named as ??"
It gets up my nose that unless the T&C that I accept are acceptable to the vocal few on these pages then I am deemed to be some pariah of Australian Aviation.
I have a responsibility to my family, myself and my passengers.
If a pilot chooses to accept the job on offer good on him/her. It is an industry that will change dependant upon the supply and demand of both pilots and passengers.
If YOU don't like the job and it's T&C's don't take it - but don't expect others to bound to YOUR expectations - YOU may just find that YOU don't quite meet the expectations of the next guy!!!
Get off your high horse and grow up!
A. Le Rhone. I do not know any FedEx pilots who sneer at QF pilots and the FedEx pilots I know do not fly the Cessna 208, the F27 or the ATR42/72's.
Personally I find freighter flying unattractive but that is another story.
I think you would find the QF salaries, superannuation plus T and C's would be the envy of a great number of pilots in the world. Even living in Aust is a great plus in my opinion.
Personally I find freighter flying unattractive but that is another story.
I think you would find the QF salaries, superannuation plus T and C's would be the envy of a great number of pilots in the world. Even living in Aust is a great plus in my opinion.
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Have to agree with ad-astra - each and every one of us has to accept what is on offer - no one is forcing a pilot to join!!
For some it will be good, for others not so good.
At the least V are paying for type ratings, that is a step in the right direction...though that seems to be over looked by some.
For some it will be good, for others not so good.
At the least V are paying for type ratings, that is a step in the right direction...though that seems to be over looked by some.
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Fair call too, I just re-read my previous post. I was intending it only for the SO position (which I made no mention of, oops). But like you said, it's up to the new employee's choice if they decide to take it.
If VA gave me an opertunity to take an FO spot, then yeah, I'd take it and would no doubt not meet the expectations of the next guys. So I agree where your coming from. I guess you can't win 'em all
Each to their own!
Edit: Quote from myself.. "My question is: will these V Aus pilots be..."
yup, really stuffed up there! Appologies, was definately not the way it was intended!
If VA gave me an opertunity to take an FO spot, then yeah, I'd take it and would no doubt not meet the expectations of the next guys. So I agree where your coming from. I guess you can't win 'em all
Each to their own!
Edit: Quote from myself.. "My question is: will these V Aus pilots be..."
yup, really stuffed up there! Appologies, was definately not the way it was intended!
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