JetStar to pay for ratings
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JetStar to pay for ratings
A rumour going around that JetStar have decided to bond all future pilots due market conditions.
All pilots currently paying salary sacrifice to be refunded.
Can't believe it myself though.. some say Pigs fly
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never a shiny moment..
All pilots currently paying salary sacrifice to be refunded.
Can't believe it myself though.. some say Pigs fly
Mat Finish
never a shiny moment..
Yeah we shall believe it when we see it 
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I pulled the pin just before the stage 2 because of the pay for endo. Just couldn't bring myself to fork out big money for a job. Never have, never will.
This rumour, if correct, might change the landscape a bit. Qlink back flipped earlier, DJ might follow.
Here's hoping.
And before any pro-pay-for-ratings dudes screams about how I need to get over it, and how grateful I should be blah blah,
I am over it.
This rumour, if correct, might change the landscape a bit. Qlink back flipped earlier, DJ might follow.
Here's hoping.
And before any pro-pay-for-ratings dudes screams about how I need to get over it, and how grateful I should be blah blah,
I am over it.
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Heard on the grape vine that JetStar paid out the $20K bond each,owing for the 3 captains they just poached off Tiger!
PS: what's the story with the JetStar guy that left recently to go join Tiger?
Suppose thats 2:1 advantage JetStar so far.
PS: what's the story with the JetStar guy that left recently to go join Tiger?
Suppose thats 2:1 advantage JetStar so far.
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Company A: Pilot pays for endo but gets full wage from day 1.
Company B: Pilot pays nothing but gets training wage until line check.
The pilot in company A has to find the money and feels the weight of 35k during the sim sessions as well as the other associated pessures.
Company B is said to be a good company for forking out the cash.
Personally I think if you can get the Company B scenario then that is better as you don't need the extra pressure during an endo. However, Company B is not Robin Hood in comparison, they are just doing things diffferently and possibly attracting more applicants in the process.
There is no such thing as a free endorsement.
Company B: Pilot pays nothing but gets training wage until line check.
The pilot in company A has to find the money and feels the weight of 35k during the sim sessions as well as the other associated pessures.
Company B is said to be a good company for forking out the cash.
Personally I think if you can get the Company B scenario then that is better as you don't need the extra pressure during an endo. However, Company B is not Robin Hood in comparison, they are just doing things diffferently and possibly attracting more applicants in the process.
There is no such thing as a free endorsement.
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There is no such thing as a free endorsement
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Mr Hat,
There are some of us that have never paid for training and received full professional remuneration and seniority from date of hire.
That's why we're called professionals, Sir!
There are some of us that have never paid for training and received full professional remuneration and seniority from date of hire.
That's why we're called professionals, Sir!
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The last tiedown to Qantaslink just snapped! If this is true then expect to see a flood of Captains from Qantaslink now apply to J*. Alot of those guys didnt want to pay for an endorsement and it kept them on the Dash. Now they will be dashing out the door along with the Fo's.
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i think most pilots world wide have wokenup to Jetstar,and the way they look after there staff, they seem to need to go to south africia to find pilots ,ones that fear for there lives.
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There is no such thing as a free endorsement.
Quite some time ago all endorsements were funded by the company as a normal cost of doing business .. without bonds or other protection.
Funny thing, though, the companies (and I'm thinking of the pre-90s Ansett, TAA, EWA, and IPEC in particular) had fiercely loyal aircrew ... nearly to a man ....
Quite some time ago all endorsements were funded by the company as a normal cost of doing business .. without bonds or other protection.
Funny thing, though, the companies (and I'm thinking of the pre-90s Ansett, TAA, EWA, and IPEC in particular) had fiercely loyal aircrew ... nearly to a man ....
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I pulled the pin just before the stage 2 because of the pay for endo. Just couldn't bring myself to fork out big money for a job. Never have, never will.
As if you applied not knowing about the pay for endorsement. (Sounds like stage 1 didn't go too well to me.)
Anyway, buy an endorsement and live in God's own country or be lured to Earth's own anus with a free endorsement. Take your pick.
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Mr Hat
Company B: Owns the subsidiary "company A".
Subsidiary A: Must keep costs down in order to continue to co exist with Company B
Remember:
Company C: The company formed to fly leisure routes out of Cairns, which no longer exists.
If wages increase within Susidiary A.
Then A=C
B is always a constant.
Company B: Owns the subsidiary "company A".
Subsidiary A: Must keep costs down in order to continue to co exist with Company B
Remember:
Company C: The company formed to fly leisure routes out of Cairns, which no longer exists.
If wages increase within Susidiary A.
Then A=C
B is always a constant.
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I always refused to pay for a type rating I had the change to join freedom many years ago but didnt because of the "ill never pay for a rating attitude." Well the guys that did are now A320 captains earning close to 200K Ive since paid for a rating and earning a lot less for PB am I bitter yea I guess I am I should have swallowed my pride and paid for the rating 10 years ago. But Im very happt to hear J* are moving with the times good on you J* management I hope it pays off for you.
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yep no worries was just trying to point out that a company that doesn't charge but pays a small wage for the first months can actually cost a pilot more.
at the same time was pointing out that it makes economc sense for jetstar to go down that road...
at the same time was pointing out that it makes economc sense for jetstar to go down that road...
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I would suggest otherwise.
It isn't economic sense for a LCC to increase crew training costs when the focus is on the bottom line.
So if the rumour is true, I suggest J*'s pool of applicants is starting to dry up!
It isn't economic sense for a LCC to increase crew training costs when the focus is on the bottom line.
So if the rumour is true, I suggest J*'s pool of applicants is starting to dry up!
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mr buzzy,
yeah whatever,
I knew about the pay-for-rating from the start, I just decided (after changing my interview date three times to suit me) that I wasn't going to pay for it. I started writing an honest letter telling them what I thought of having to pay for a job, but thought better of it and just declined the interview.
Turns out there is a mob paying more who will have me - and no paying them!
So being stubborn has it's downside, but at least I have principles and I'm sticking to them.
yeah whatever,
I knew about the pay-for-rating from the start, I just decided (after changing my interview date three times to suit me) that I wasn't going to pay for it. I started writing an honest letter telling them what I thought of having to pay for a job, but thought better of it and just declined the interview.
Turns out there is a mob paying more who will have me - and no paying them!
So being stubborn has it's downside, but at least I have principles and I'm sticking to them.
Mstr Caution,
No use being a LCC if you have brand new aircraft parked against the fence that you cannot crew.
A Major issue for those competing in the marketplace in the coming years will be the ability to attract and retain experienced crews. A lot cheaper and smarter business model in the medium to long term. The results of a hull loss will certainly be fatal for a company, and the contagion will affect public confidence in the whole industry. There needs to be a paradigm shift in the attitudes, values and practices that constitute the way in which management view pilots and the industry overall. The ONLY thing that will help this shift will be the supply/demand equation of pilots!
No use being a LCC if you have brand new aircraft parked against the fence that you cannot crew.
A Major issue for those competing in the marketplace in the coming years will be the ability to attract and retain experienced crews. A lot cheaper and smarter business model in the medium to long term. The results of a hull loss will certainly be fatal for a company, and the contagion will affect public confidence in the whole industry. There needs to be a paradigm shift in the attitudes, values and practices that constitute the way in which management view pilots and the industry overall. The ONLY thing that will help this shift will be the supply/demand equation of pilots!
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