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Old 12th Feb 2008, 02:39
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get the white paint out

better start painting over the roo as it may be a hull loss or maybe can rebuild as done in BKK
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 02:45
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here is a link to some pics of what happens when u plant a B767 on it nose wheel after a bounce, 11G http://www.yulaviation.com/vbb/showt...p?t=8210bugger
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 07:36
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Maybe the time to take it seriously Hoof, is when the investigators have finished their job and some facts are known, rather than based on the speculation of the voyeurs of PPRuNe.
Hmmmmm ok then, I wont take a 777 landing short of a runway seriously or take a 737 running off the end of a runway and killing people seriously as neither of these incidents have had a final investagitive report tabled yet. "Chr1st on a bike", you've gotta wonder sometimes!
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 10:44
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Re the footage linked to by Capn Bloggs of the 146 having a heavy landing:

The footage is real and is of a Crossair RJ100 landing on runway 28 at London City.

A whole thread, including photos of the damage and press reports covering the repair effort, can be found here:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=289698

The aircraft was badly damaged but was repaired and flown out about 4 months later.
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 11:45
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APMR,

That is not the aircraft in the video, the one in the video while looking extreme seems to have got out of it without damage. The one that was damaged had the Star Alliance livery, not Swiss (as on that video).

I think BA have damaged more aircraft at LCY than any other operator, all 146/RJ aircraft.
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 13:01
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Zeke,

My mistake. Perhaps the heavy landings at London City involving 146-like aircraft are a lot more common than I thought.

I did read something somewhere about a Crossair 146-like aircraft having one at that airport, and the video may well be of that incident. I will try to find that info.
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 22:49
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the one in the video while looking extreme seems to have got out of it without damage.
How did you determine that?

By watching the video or you have agreater knowledge of that incident?
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Old 13th Feb 2008, 05:48
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What!!!!!!!

PPRUNE and no pics of an alleged wrinkled 717!

What on earth is the world coming to?

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Old 13th Feb 2008, 06:24
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Maybe thier is nothing to photograph.
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Old 13th Feb 2008, 20:07
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of windshear alerting does the 717 have? For those who asked what the wx was doing, apparently there were storms in the area.

I notice the ATSB has labelled the occurence category as an accident, so someone is taking it seriously. Having seen the photos, I would be.

Any truth to the 'Captain only for T/O & LDG' rule (reported here on Prrune)?
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Old 13th Feb 2008, 23:54
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VH-

717 has both predictive and reactive Windshear systems.

Any truth to the 'Captain only for T/O & LDG' rule (reported here on Prrune)?
No. However knowing NJS, that may soon be the case.
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Old 13th Feb 2008, 23:56
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I understand that QF has a policy of no F/O driving for TKOF/LDG if wind is > 35knots ..
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 00:20
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Xwind limit only. F/O 15 kts for 1st year since checkout then 20 kts.
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 02:44
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Wow! Just as well the pilots both had their HSC's...could have been much worse
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 04:39
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They needed their HSC's to balance everyone elses chip on their shoulder............
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 05:41
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The f/o also earns $20,000 less per year than any previous f/o.
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 08:16
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Damage is not as bad as first thought - NXE will be repaired. Some aft fuselage skin panels and longeron replacements required
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 09:06
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It won't be long before those with an anti-QF viewpoint will be accusing them of repairing the aircraft irrespective of the cost.
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 09:14
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I agree with Lordflashhart, Hoofharted and Capt Claret.
There seems to be too much rubbing of hands hoping it's true, rather than professional discussion.
If what has been rumoured is true, then the crew concerned must be guttered as any of us would be if we damaged an aircraft.
If you want a united pilot group then it's time to start acting like one. Show these guys/gals your support. If there are lessons to be learned from this, then it will benefit all of us.
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Old 14th Feb 2008, 09:33
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Dr Clowneous you are joking n'est pas

CASA do something???

come on

why would they make a decision which might look like they are doing something. That might, in a court of law, appear as if they were involved and they might just be held liable for their actions.

what should happen is that they should be held accountable for their INACTIONS! CASA should be charged with culpable negligence for their inaction within the Australian aviation community during the past years.

also the NT News was asking in one of its columns just this Tuesday (12th Feb) for any pax on QF446 (shoot me if its the wrong flight number) to contact the paper for comment so it hasnt gone unnoticed.
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