NAT JET 717 mishap
 

heard a 717 in DRW has been written off? any more info??:eek:

Hard... hard landing. Apparently rippled airframe... crew stood down. Havent heard the rest.

The right off part is not accurate, although it has been damaged. The engineers that are GOING TO inspect it will be the first to know, maybe even ahead of the PPRUNERS :eek::eek:

Is it unexpected? New inexperienced pilots, minimal training, inexperienced training Captains, no remedial training, Low morale?

It won't be the last while the swiss cheese holes are lining up!

I think they need to make jets at tough as C152's to withstand the punishment of pilots still learning how to fly when they transition on to heavier aircraft straight out of flight school. During Flt school most guys are taught by low timers these days still learning a hell of alot themselves :ugh:

As opposed to the old days, when most people's first twin job was also their first airline job in the RHS of a DC3?

But then you're probably right... the DC3 was probably even tougher than a 152 :)

Wasn't you was it Renurpp?

Dill:ugh:

MA

It was me. :=


Thats life! :{

No! I'm Spartacus! :}

Now, if you don't take the hint I'll DELETE the whole thread.

Much Ado

In a nut shell.

Company CEO...ex engineer.
2IC and GM Airline Ops....ex engineer.
Chief Pilot/GMFO....not endorsed on type.
Head of Pilot Training....not endorsed on type.
HOT Cabin Crew....not endorsed on type.
Manager of CC....not endorsed on type.
Management Based in Adelaide.....no 717 ops in Adelaide.
On the line operational support.....poor.
717 operations manual.....bears little or no resemblence to actual aircraft operation.
Management objective 'Future Horizons'.....reduce Pilot wages,apply bond to all training.
Pilot applications withdrawn/interviews declined due to poor renumerance and expanding opportunities elsewhere.
Experience base of new hire Pilots...low.
Some recruits desperately pushed through endoresment/line training in order to fill slots.
Captains appointed as Training Captains with less than a 1000hr of Jet Command time.
Experienced Training/Captains over looked/resigned for/from training positions because they didn't suck up to HOT.
General moral of all employees low as a result of management push for 'Future Horizons'.
Management fall back to 'arse covering mode' as a result of failed 'Future Horizons' and threat of industrial action.
Little or no follow up training for those inexperienced Pilots that were rushed through to fill slots.

Surprise, surprise.......one bent airframe. :oh:

CC - Spot on.
To the others (excuding RENURPP, at least you have a good sense of humour)
Come on, a heavy landing isnt anything to get too worked up about. Hey, I've even been known to do non greasers. Anyways, as long as noone was hurt and as long as it was some bent metal and pride so be it.
:eek::uhoh:
I think fellow Lord Flattery, has summed things up perfectly in the NJS camp.

Talk about Swiss Cheese: it's harder keeping up with the posts that disappear from this thread than working out how the tail got bent...oops...

A bent airframe is more than just a heavy landing, much, much more.

The only other recent one I can think of was the Adam Air 737, a company no Australian aviation enterprise should ever have to be compared with.

Actually, less than 1000 hrs jet total, more like 300hrs Jet and 100 hrs in command.
Whats the problem with that?? :confused:

He says the right things and hasn't done any hard landings him self, or has he? Maybe one or two. :eek:

Why should the HOT have to be current on type?
Why do you need manuals that are up to date?
Whats the matter with you guys, just do as your told and all will be fine RIGHT!!!:mad::mad:

Why is this thread being censored, and relevent posts being deleted? The aviation community deserves to know.

Here comes the liquid paper.

Hot of the press, Eye Witness Video.......Well nah not really
 

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/mc...ing/3243417730

Now that's heavy

Nothing that a bit of speed tape won't fix.

"Bite checked OK, please report further"

Lord Flattery
never have I seen a more accurate and informed post on PPRUNE.
You will now be banned for life:ok:

In all seriousness, the direction NJS has taken over recent years, this is getting off lightly.

was informed by mate at njs that the pilot in question was actually trained by their most senior pilot on that type, so looks like these things can happen to anyone. but it goes to show that with the experience pool drying up very quickly these things may become a regular occurence.

nog not nig

Everything else a side at NJS when told who was responsible there was no surprise. I've heard some horror stories recently about guys getting through VB checks, so it's not just NJS. It was just a matter of time with this one, if CASA is fair dimkum some heads might roll here. I feel sorry for the captain involved!