QF SOs now operating as Flight Attendants
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, How can you let that happen, what sort of union do u have in QF,
I have never ever heard something like that, and we are talkin of QF. I hope I never hear it again. I think you guys shoud do something serious about that. Theres no words to describe how downgrading. (and Im not discriminating FA,s, I just think everyone does what there job is, and thats it)
Good Luck, and my support on it too,
B.F"
I honestly do think that we should stand against this immediately.QF Pilots??anyone done anything yet.This shouldn't even live out 24hrs ithout being thrashed.If this happens at a major airline like QF then whats gona be with the smaller carriers.Seriously
, How can you let that happen, what sort of union do u have in QF,I have never ever heard something like that, and we are talkin of QF. I hope I never hear it again. I think you guys shoud do something serious about that. Theres no words to describe how downgrading. (and Im not discriminating FA,s, I just think everyone does what there job is, and thats it)
Good Luck, and my support on it too,
B.F"
I honestly do think that we should stand against this immediately.QF Pilots??anyone done anything yet.This shouldn't even live out 24hrs ithout being thrashed.If this happens at a major airline like QF then whats gona be with the smaller carriers.Seriously
when the A380 comes in will this take over as "the" fleet, maybe knock for -400 guys down a peg or to
According to Strobie, doesn't look like the relationship between the pilots is much better!
Must be a great place to work....
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"How often are exceptional circumstances going to crop up???????????"
That totally defeats the point.
It should never ever come to that and it shouldn't even come up as an idea.The Pilots are there to do their job, it is what they are employed as and it is the job/career they chose to do and not anything else.If this starts happening at all, doesn't matter if it's once a month or once every 2years.It will eventually become the norm and it will be an accepted part of the job which is totally degrading.I don't think I have to specify the point here when I'm sure it's quite clear but you as Captains should be trying to better things for the younger generation and try and improve the moral and make it a better respected proffession.Just because you may be retiring in 2years, shouldn't excuse you from taking any action.You know that you would've wanted the same thngs being done for you if you were a Pilot that was just coming up and had a long and hopefully bright future ahead of them.Actions should be taken and not "having a laugh in the cockpit when the report comes in" and laughing down onto the S/O.You were once a S/O yourself, back your proffession.Demand respect.If ever this is the time now to demand your respect as a Pilot and act!don't just say someone else will do it anyway, because they probaby won't, Their Pilots for goods sake.Do something.
This just makes me
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That totally defeats the point.
It should never ever come to that and it shouldn't even come up as an idea.The Pilots are there to do their job, it is what they are employed as and it is the job/career they chose to do and not anything else.If this starts happening at all, doesn't matter if it's once a month or once every 2years.It will eventually become the norm and it will be an accepted part of the job which is totally degrading.I don't think I have to specify the point here when I'm sure it's quite clear but you as Captains should be trying to better things for the younger generation and try and improve the moral and make it a better respected proffession.Just because you may be retiring in 2years, shouldn't excuse you from taking any action.You know that you would've wanted the same thngs being done for you if you were a Pilot that was just coming up and had a long and hopefully bright future ahead of them.Actions should be taken and not "having a laugh in the cockpit when the report comes in" and laughing down onto the S/O.You were once a S/O yourself, back your proffession.Demand respect.If ever this is the time now to demand your respect as a Pilot and act!don't just say someone else will do it anyway, because they probaby won't, Their Pilots for goods sake.Do something.
This just makes me
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better respected proffession.
QFcaptain,
Sounds like your user name precedes you???? At least be 'professional' and spell it right! Don't mean to be downgrading or was that degrading???
Sounds like your user name precedes you???? At least be 'professional' and spell it right! Don't mean to be downgrading or was that degrading???
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A senior 767 capt was telling me about being on holidays in Europe and flying on a one class 767.
His seat was in the back row and he hadn't been down past the tech crew rest for years let alone been there for take off and landing.
He was surprised at how noisy and bumpy the take off and landing was and asked the cabin crew on that flight if that was normal....
Xatrix......I'd like to hear the call back after the arm the doors PA is made....
His seat was in the back row and he hadn't been down past the tech crew rest for years let alone been there for take off and landing.
He was surprised at how noisy and bumpy the take off and landing was and asked the cabin crew on that flight if that was normal....
Xatrix......I'd like to hear the call back after the arm the doors PA is made....
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Agree with the call...."what sort of union have you guys got?...."
Oh yes, the type that has let Jetconnect and Jetstar take over the Tasman and Jetstar most of the domestic flying....oh and the 787s?
This issue is just small fry in comparison.....
Just the way it looks from the outside.
DC
Oh yes, the type that has let Jetconnect and Jetstar take over the Tasman and Jetstar most of the domestic flying....oh and the 787s?
This issue is just small fry in comparison.....
Just the way it looks from the outside.
DC
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Like many of the posts here, we start with a small kernel of truth and leaven it with four tonnes of hyperbole.
The story will come out and for once it seems that the Company wasn't trying to pull a swifty. I will leave it at that.
This situation will be sorted out to the satisfaction of all concerned... pilots... cabin crew...Qantas and CASA.
The story will come out and for once it seems that the Company wasn't trying to pull a swifty. I will leave it at that.
This situation will be sorted out to the satisfaction of all concerned... pilots... cabin crew...Qantas and CASA.
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Perhaps, Kremin, but I've read the FSO more than once, and it is not exactly the most well thought out thing I've ever laid eyes on.
It applies to ALL crew. Not just S/Os. If you're an F/O or Captain operating as a 3rd crewmember, guess what? The policy could apply to you! The policy also applies to all mainline types. How the heck can that work? When did we start using 3 pilot crews on the 737? Also, where does this leave an S/O, for example, in the chain of command? One minute he's answering to the CSM and obeying his directives - the next minute he's directing the CSM what to do by delegation of the Captain or as the third in command! How are some going to take that ("no, you're L4 primary, I'm giving the orders here!"). And what exactly are "exceptional circumstances". In my experience, "exceptional circumstances" are invoked virtually every time a flight is threatened with a delay or cannot be crewed for whatever reason.
To be honest, it really is a crock (the way it's written). Very poorly thought out - just as I'd expect. Nor could I envisage any captain I've flown with in recent times agreeing to it, apart perhaps from the very small minority who are eagerly climbing the management ladder.
It applies to ALL crew. Not just S/Os. If you're an F/O or Captain operating as a 3rd crewmember, guess what? The policy could apply to you! The policy also applies to all mainline types. How the heck can that work? When did we start using 3 pilot crews on the 737? Also, where does this leave an S/O, for example, in the chain of command? One minute he's answering to the CSM and obeying his directives - the next minute he's directing the CSM what to do by delegation of the Captain or as the third in command! How are some going to take that ("no, you're L4 primary, I'm giving the orders here!"). And what exactly are "exceptional circumstances". In my experience, "exceptional circumstances" are invoked virtually every time a flight is threatened with a delay or cannot be crewed for whatever reason.
To be honest, it really is a crock (the way it's written). Very poorly thought out - just as I'd expect. Nor could I envisage any captain I've flown with in recent times agreeing to it, apart perhaps from the very small minority who are eagerly climbing the management ladder.
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Does this now mean that the poor S/O who was blamed in a big way on the Qantas 1, "hole in One" in BKK will now be totally exonerated?
After all this STUPID FSO shows that Management obviously think that S/O's are only there for decoration and are not really required on the flight deck except for in flight relief.
PROFITABILITY, BEFORE SAFETY ,BEFORE SCHEDULE!
When will these pelicans in management actually start managing?
After all this STUPID FSO shows that Management obviously think that S/O's are only there for decoration and are not really required on the flight deck except for in flight relief.
PROFITABILITY, BEFORE SAFETY ,BEFORE SCHEDULE!
When will these pelicans in management actually start managing?
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Actually Max,
this has "Wedge Politics Manning" (poorly) written all over it.
What exactly are the legalities here?
The silence from CASA is deafening!
I suspect a trap is being laid here with management expecting AIPA to come out all guns blazing and then hit them with costly court action during EBA negotiating time, I could be wrong, but......
I hear AIPA is doing due dilligence on this issue before taking a considered stance.
This is all thanks to that wonderful bit of Industrial Legislation by Jackboot Johny.
Every Union in this day and age really does need to dot their i's and cross their t's.
this has "Wedge Politics Manning" (poorly) written all over it.
What exactly are the legalities here?
The silence from CASA is deafening!
I suspect a trap is being laid here with management expecting AIPA to come out all guns blazing and then hit them with costly court action during EBA negotiating time, I could be wrong, but......
I hear AIPA is doing due dilligence on this issue before taking a considered stance.
This is all thanks to that wonderful bit of Industrial Legislation by Jackboot Johny.
Every Union in this day and age really does need to dot their i's and cross their t's.
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CASA has given some woofull dispensations in recent times. Jetstar A330 with no crew rest. They are all ex QF so would have had crew rest I assume. My mates admit that they get really crappy rest sitting with the pax. I know QF A330s signed off on the 4th crew member for a similar deal sitting business with the punters but thats for only 8 months.
QF group does what they want, when they want with our governing body at the moment so this crew member operating the doors number not raising an eye from CASA does not surprise me in the slightest
QF group does what they want, when they want with our governing body at the moment so this crew member operating the doors number not raising an eye from CASA does not surprise me in the slightest
You should never assume Drshmoo. The 4 x A330-200 transferred temporarily to Jetstar were never fitted out with a dedicated Tech Crew Rest.
You should never assume OSM
