Air NZ may fly jets in regions
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IVC-ZQN equals 182km by road. (what speed were you doing to make it last 5 hrs.....36km/hr? 
) BTW ...TEU-ZQN equals 180kms by road..... so no real time advantage for the odd bus trip from either airfield, eh (unless you do a trip up the Von and across on the Earnslaw ?).
) BTW ...TEU-ZQN equals 180kms by road..... so no real time advantage for the odd bus trip from either airfield, eh (unless you do a trip up the Von and across on the Earnslaw ?).
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Latest Notam:
MANAPOURI (NZMO):
A0684/08 FROM: 15 APR 2008 03:25 TO: 04 JUN 2008 12:00
AD CLSD TO ALL OPS EXC THOSE SPECIFICALLY AUTHORISED BY
AIR FIORDLAND DUE TO EXTENSIVE RWY WORKS.
FOR OPR AUTHORISATION TEL AIR FIORDLAND 0-3-249 7505
RWY 08/26 NEW OPERATIONAL DATA AS FLW:
RWY SFC STRENGTH GP SLOPE ASDA
08 B PCN20 8 0.09D 1594
26 F/A/X/T 0.09U 1594
RWY TAKE OFF DISTANCE LANDING
1:20 1:40 1:50 1:62.5 DIST
08 1654 1654 1654 1594
26 1654 1654 1654 1425 1594
NOTE:
RWY 08 TKOF: TURN LEFT 10 DEGREES AFTER CROSSING AIRPORT BOUNDARY
RWY 26 TKOF: TURN LEFT 12 DEGREES AFTER CROSSING AIRPORT BOUNDARY
REF AIP NEW ZEALAND NZMO AD 2-51.1 AND 2-51.2 MANAPOURI OPR DATA
MANAPOURI (NZMO):
A0684/08 FROM: 15 APR 2008 03:25 TO: 04 JUN 2008 12:00
AD CLSD TO ALL OPS EXC THOSE SPECIFICALLY AUTHORISED BY
AIR FIORDLAND DUE TO EXTENSIVE RWY WORKS.
FOR OPR AUTHORISATION TEL AIR FIORDLAND 0-3-249 7505
RWY 08/26 NEW OPERATIONAL DATA AS FLW:
RWY SFC STRENGTH GP SLOPE ASDA
08 B PCN20 8 0.09D 1594
26 F/A/X/T 0.09U 1594
RWY TAKE OFF DISTANCE LANDING
1:20 1:40 1:50 1:62.5 DIST
08 1654 1654 1654 1594
26 1654 1654 1654 1425 1594
NOTE:
RWY 08 TKOF: TURN LEFT 10 DEGREES AFTER CROSSING AIRPORT BOUNDARY
RWY 26 TKOF: TURN LEFT 12 DEGREES AFTER CROSSING AIRPORT BOUNDARY
REF AIP NEW ZEALAND NZMO AD 2-51.1 AND 2-51.2 MANAPOURI OPR DATA
Cool thanks
. Looks like a decent length runway for all Turbo prop equipment and limited jet services....
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Regional jets getting too expensive?
Horizon to transition to all turboprop fleet
Horizon Air (Seattle) is planning to scrap its fleet of Bombardier CRJ aircraft and replace them with the Dash 8-Q400 turboprop within the next two years. The move is aimed at reducing fuel and maintenance costs at the airline by allowing it to operate a single aircraft fleet of the fuel-efficient planes. Horizon already has thirty-three (33) Q400s in its fleet and would be looking to the replace its existing twenty (20) CRJ-700s, in addition to the twelve (12) Dash 8-200s it has already said it is planning to retire by June 2009. When the transition is complete, Horizon’s fleet will consist of forty-eight (48) Q400s or more depending on how many of its twenty (20) purchase options with Bombardier the airline chooses to exercise.
Horizon Air (Seattle) is planning to scrap its fleet of Bombardier CRJ aircraft and replace them with the Dash 8-Q400 turboprop within the next two years. The move is aimed at reducing fuel and maintenance costs at the airline by allowing it to operate a single aircraft fleet of the fuel-efficient planes. Horizon already has thirty-three (33) Q400s in its fleet and would be looking to the replace its existing twenty (20) CRJ-700s, in addition to the twelve (12) Dash 8-200s it has already said it is planning to retire by June 2009. When the transition is complete, Horizon’s fleet will consist of forty-eight (48) Q400s or more depending on how many of its twenty (20) purchase options with Bombardier the airline chooses to exercise.
Hey Cap...(and all those in the know....)
I've probably confused myself here, but doesn't Wanaka only have a GPS app?
.....which would leave a GNSS approach as a possible alternative but with NZ's present rules sole means GNSS is not permitted within the NZFIR
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Yup sure, Wananka has a sole GPS approach. This means you cannot use Wanaka as an alternate. However you do not require two different approach types (ie GPS and VOR) to fly to a destination, as the case with Wanaka.
After seeing whats happened with oil prices in the last month I think regional jets are pretty much out of the equation, for the short term anyhow. It also may have gone a long way to denting the fuel thirsty Q400 chances.
After seeing whats happened with oil prices in the last month I think regional jets are pretty much out of the equation, for the short term anyhow. It also may have gone a long way to denting the fuel thirsty Q400 chances.
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Alaska is also considering contracting with another airline with somewhat larger regional jets to fly some of its jet routes.
Interesting follow on to the news that Horizon will be taking the CRJ-700s out of the fleet, to replace them with Q400s. There are some very long sectors in Horizon's network, and the quote shows that Horizon may be moving to a single type fleet, but Horizon's parent, Alaska Airlines will have its Regional Jet flying done by another airline.
You may have seen that Frontier Airlines, which has gone into Chapter 11 has cancelled its agreement with Republic Airlines to operate E-170s.
This shows that in these times of high fuel prices, the 70 seater Regional Jets are suffering. The small fleet of E-170s being introduced by Virgin Blue may suffer, though, the bigger E-190s with 30 extra seats may be safe for now.
If AirNZ is still looking at these planes, maybe the CRJ-900 and E-190 will be the minimum size that will work.
But who can predict fuel? The lead time to buy new types is so long. If Fuel is being priced by speculators and traders, it can just as well go down in price very quickly. When that happened in the early 80s, it led to slow down in sales for the 757, because airlines decided they did not need such a fuel efficient aircraft straight away.
Alaska is also considering contracting with another airline with somewhat larger regional jets to fly some of its jet routes.
Interesting follow on to the news that Horizon will be taking the CRJ-700s out of the fleet, to replace them with Q400s. There are some very long sectors in Horizon's network, and the quote shows that Horizon may be moving to a single type fleet, but Horizon's parent, Alaska Airlines will have its Regional Jet flying done by another airline.
You may have seen that Frontier Airlines, which has gone into Chapter 11 has cancelled its agreement with Republic Airlines to operate E-170s.
This shows that in these times of high fuel prices, the 70 seater Regional Jets are suffering. The small fleet of E-170s being introduced by Virgin Blue may suffer, though, the bigger E-190s with 30 extra seats may be safe for now.
If AirNZ is still looking at these planes, maybe the CRJ-900 and E-190 will be the minimum size that will work.
But who can predict fuel? The lead time to buy new types is so long. If Fuel is being priced by speculators and traders, it can just as well go down in price very quickly. When that happened in the early 80s, it led to slow down in sales for the 757, because airlines decided they did not need such a fuel efficient aircraft straight away.
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Two things to revive this column. I asked people, where does Wanaka go from here a few months ago. News that a super duper Golf Course is on the way might raise the question, how will the players get to Wanaka? Drive from Dunedin or Christchurch. Fly into Queenstown? If they fly into Wanaka, can a Beech 1900D hold 19 sets of golf clubs? Or fly into Wanaka in the 1900D, and have golf clubs driven down over night in a van? Will golfers arrive in Private Jets? Even if big planes only fly into Wanaka at week-ends the airport might have some non stops from Auckland.
Looking at Queenstown, report is that 4000 beds will be ADDED in the next five years. I think a lot of those beds will be filled by people who like to fly into Queenstown in winter, though in summer there will be people touring the South Island by ground, so perhaps demand will not be so great during summer. But how would ZQN cope with 4000 arrivals on top of existing traffic? If Queenstown has one "Change over" day the airport will be plane spotter heaven. 4000 would be the equivalent of twenty 737-900s or A321s, on top of existing traffic. Perhaps three or four flights from SYD on a Saturday. Or are the hoteliers having a dream, when they think all those extra tourists are going to arrive?
Looking at Queenstown, report is that 4000 beds will be ADDED in the next five years. I think a lot of those beds will be filled by people who like to fly into Queenstown in winter, though in summer there will be people touring the South Island by ground, so perhaps demand will not be so great during summer. But how would ZQN cope with 4000 arrivals on top of existing traffic? If Queenstown has one "Change over" day the airport will be plane spotter heaven. 4000 would be the equivalent of twenty 737-900s or A321s, on top of existing traffic. Perhaps three or four flights from SYD on a Saturday. Or are the hoteliers having a dream, when they think all those extra tourists are going to arrive?
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When I was down in Wanaka recently, for the airshow, I got talking to a few Queenstown business folk involved in the tourism industry. They were of the opinion that there was already an over investment in accommodation. They said that things had really slowed down and that some developers were finding it difficult to sell their apartments due to over capacity....Having said that Air NZ has recently announced that they are increasing flights from Sydney to five or so a week during the ski season....as well as two to three per week from Melbourne and Brisbane respectively. The future growth of places like Queenstown will be a strong influencing factor in the aircraft type air NZ ultimately select.
Apparently, the qualities of the Embraer had been heavily endorsed at a recent conference for local tourist operators and business people. The debate was over who would first operate them there. Air NZ or Pacific Blue? The guys I talked to were excited at the prospect of 100 seat jets like the EM190 becoming available. They thought it would be a good aircraft to boost frequency to the town both in domestic and international flights.
Apparently, the qualities of the Embraer had been heavily endorsed at a recent conference for local tourist operators and business people. The debate was over who would first operate them there. Air NZ or Pacific Blue? The guys I talked to were excited at the prospect of 100 seat jets like the EM190 becoming available. They thought it would be a good aircraft to boost frequency to the town both in domestic and international flights.
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how far away is this decision???
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Originally Posted by Lindstrim
Nope it's 5 hrs.
Did it aprox Sep last year
Did it aprox Sep last year
5 hours is just bloody nonsense.
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Still no decision...
Into June now and still no decision must be due any day now?....
I have a feelng that the ATR might just squeeze in as it is by far the most efficient option...High oil prices seem to be at the forefront of airline decision making these days....I think this makes the E-190 an unlikely choice...Or maybe they will just hang on to the older ATRs for a bit longer...still a relatively young aircraft.....
I have a feelng that the ATR might just squeeze in as it is by far the most efficient option...High oil prices seem to be at the forefront of airline decision making these days....I think this makes the E-190 an unlikely choice...Or maybe they will just hang on to the older ATRs for a bit longer...still a relatively young aircraft.....
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I was at a business day recently..... It wont be the E-190 or a jet for that matter (I think that was fairly obvious in the current market though). Q400 is the most likely option, as they have got a great deal on the options. ATR600 the other option. Last option they are looking at is buying the current ATRs when their lease expires in 09.
They are keen to keep a new fleet and also common types through the group so the Q is looking good. Decision is very close....... expect to hear something this month
They are keen to keep a new fleet and also common types through the group so the Q is looking good. Decision is very close....... expect to hear something this month
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Alan, Wanaka isn't going far until it sorts out it's instrument approach issues and besides the runway is a little weak.
Good to see the runway at TEU is going from PCN10 to PCN20.
My question would be who is paying and why ?
David Skeggs recently put up many millions of dollars for Red Boat Cruises in Milford Sound. I tried to query Skeggs whether he was interested in marketing air services to Manapouri and was struck with a wall of silence. Tells me there is something interesting going on there.
DJ is flying to Dunedin and a small Dunedin regional has carved out routes from Dunedin to Queenstwon with mention that TEU is contemplated too.
My Guess is that uncle Skeggs and Pacific Blue have struck up a deal to feed the Fiordland market.
Good to see the runway at TEU is going from PCN10 to PCN20.
My question would be who is paying and why ?
David Skeggs recently put up many millions of dollars for Red Boat Cruises in Milford Sound. I tried to query Skeggs whether he was interested in marketing air services to Manapouri and was struck with a wall of silence. Tells me there is something interesting going on there.
DJ is flying to Dunedin and a small Dunedin regional has carved out routes from Dunedin to Queenstwon with mention that TEU is contemplated too.
My Guess is that uncle Skeggs and Pacific Blue have struck up a deal to feed the Fiordland market.
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The value of TEU, I suggest is not flying TEU-ZQN but rather to fly TEU-CHC or TEU-AKL if you really think about it.
If Air NZ is behind runway upgrades then you can bet that Air NZ is buying E-190s
If Air NZ is behind runway upgrades then you can bet that Air NZ is buying E-190s
You'll find it'll be Pionair in behind the upgrades down there.
There are also a few other aerodromes around the place they might want to think about upgrading in the not too distant future.
There are also a few other aerodromes around the place they might want to think about upgrading in the not too distant future.
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Lemme guess Mount Cook or Pukaki ?
I have long wondered if someone from that bunch of Brierly's pirates wanted to get Mount Cook Airlines out of there so they could asset strip the ski plane operation.
Simple solution. Burn down the terminal building. Was that 1992 or 2002 ?
I forget now.
Some Auckland property developer bought a 15 year lease for Alexandra Airport believing he would get international flights in there.
Kerikeri is another on the logical list.
Strikes me that you could almost retrace the old Mount Cook HS.748 routes and any regional airport on that route is where the growth potential is.
I have long wondered if someone from that bunch of Brierly's pirates wanted to get Mount Cook Airlines out of there so they could asset strip the ski plane operation.
Simple solution. Burn down the terminal building. Was that 1992 or 2002 ?
I forget now.
Some Auckland property developer bought a 15 year lease for Alexandra Airport believing he would get international flights in there.
Kerikeri is another on the logical list.
Strikes me that you could almost retrace the old Mount Cook HS.748 routes and any regional airport on that route is where the growth potential is.