Air NZ may fly jets in regions
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Hi Astina, that's interesting. Where did that come from ?
I was talking to their regional development people back in 2004 and they were dead keen to get scheduled services into Pukaki.
Department of Conservation is hell bent on reducing flights within the park. Funny irony is that DOC is fairly powerless to prevent overflights not originating within the park.
Desperately need UK-AK or UK-CH services.
I was talking to their regional development people back in 2004 and they were dead keen to get scheduled services into Pukaki.
Department of Conservation is hell bent on reducing flights within the park. Funny irony is that DOC is fairly powerless to prevent overflights not originating within the park.
Desperately need UK-AK or UK-CH services.
Department of Conservation is hell bent on reducing flights within the park. Funny irony is that DOC is fairly powerless to prevent overflights not originating within the park.
There is no pressure from DOC on reducing any flights around the Mt Cook or Westland Areas, but an effort on both sides of operators and DOC to reduce the effect of aircaft noise, by varying flight routes and VOLUNTARY no fly areas within the National Park (ie 2Nm from the summits of Mt Cook and Mt Tasman at all times, the Upper Hooker Glacier, Anywhere around the Hermitage and Mt Cook Village below 8000' AMSL - miniumum heights around popular climbs and Huts). DOC are happy with the Users in the area, and we work together to minimise the impact of aviation within the national park.
As far as conessions go to land within the National park, anybody can use Mt Cook Airport with appropriate permission, but we are not allowed to perform scenic flights that originate and then terminate at Mt Cook, there is only one company allowed to do that.
As far as scheduled flights into UK from Auckland or Christchurch? It has been investigated by operators, both local and out of town, and it is uneconomically feasible, otherwise wouldn't a local operator down here be already flying out to Christchurch on a scheduled basis?
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I've been mountaineering in that park since before you were born sonny. Each time I've climbed to huts in the park, I have found surveys placed there by park authorities asking climbers not for comments on park facilities...
Oh no, never dare ask for criticism of park authorities. The surveys have always asked climbers the same question. have you been annoyed by aircraft activity in the park ?
Well hell sonny, if you didn't tell them they had an itch they wouldn't scratch it would they ?
I appreciate the Park's own management plan is unlikely to be an authoritative enough source for you, but we're not all anal retentive around here.
Try this
Well I don't know what bucket you've got your head stuck in empacher, but you must love the echo of your own voice ?
Oh no, never dare ask for criticism of park authorities. The surveys have always asked climbers the same question. have you been annoyed by aircraft activity in the park ?
Well hell sonny, if you didn't tell them they had an itch they wouldn't scratch it would they ?
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I don't know where you got that information from, but it surely can't get anymore wrong.
I don't know where you got that information from, but it surely can't get anymore wrong.
Aoraki/Mount Cook National Park Management Plan, paragraph 4.3.3(c) "No approval should be given that would increase aircraft activity or aircraft noise within the Park." or try 4.3.3(h) "No further aircraft facility areas should be approved in the Park."
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P.4.3.3(c) & (d) - Although aircraft do provide a practical and useful means of
access for Park management and visitors, with minimal physical impact on the Park compared with other mechanical methods, they do have other effects.
Such effects include impacts at particular sites and on cultural values, the disruption of natural quiet and values of solitude, space, scenic and other intrinsic values; and
effects on the enjoyment, inspiration, recreation and other benefits that visitors gain from the Park, including knowing one is in a place into which aircraft are not allowed to fly or land. Many of these values are part of the visitor management setting of an area (see 1.3.5.1 Visitor Management Setting). The principal effect of aircraft activity is its impact on natural quiet. The Visitor Strategy (1996) refers to natural quiet as ‘...the natural ambient conditions or the sound of nature’. It is an important component of visitors’ appreciation of a national park. In protecting natural quiet, visitors and the tourism industry need to be aware of their responsibilities to other visitors.
In particular, aircraft noise should not detract unduly from visitor experiences. In response to noise concerns, the Department, in liaison with the industry, has developed a methodology to record visitor awareness of and annoyance with, aircraft noise (see Booth, Jones and Devlin, 1997, and the monitoring reports Ladd 1998, Toxward 1999, Ladd 2000 and Horn 2001, McManaway & Bellringer 2002). Working from the methodology the
access for Park management and visitors, with minimal physical impact on the Park compared with other mechanical methods, they do have other effects.
Such effects include impacts at particular sites and on cultural values, the disruption of natural quiet and values of solitude, space, scenic and other intrinsic values; and
effects on the enjoyment, inspiration, recreation and other benefits that visitors gain from the Park, including knowing one is in a place into which aircraft are not allowed to fly or land. Many of these values are part of the visitor management setting of an area (see 1.3.5.1 Visitor Management Setting). The principal effect of aircraft activity is its impact on natural quiet. The Visitor Strategy (1996) refers to natural quiet as ‘...the natural ambient conditions or the sound of nature’. It is an important component of visitors’ appreciation of a national park. In protecting natural quiet, visitors and the tourism industry need to be aware of their responsibilities to other visitors.
In particular, aircraft noise should not detract unduly from visitor experiences. In response to noise concerns, the Department, in liaison with the industry, has developed a methodology to record visitor awareness of and annoyance with, aircraft noise (see Booth, Jones and Devlin, 1997, and the monitoring reports Ladd 1998, Toxward 1999, Ladd 2000 and Horn 2001, McManaway & Bellringer 2002). Working from the methodology the
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Well I don't know what bucket you've got your head stuck in empacher, but you must love the echo of your own voice ?
take a chill pill dude.
Now... going back to the original question posed on here..
When is the likely decision going to be made to replace the ATRs? It has been delayed a few times, and its pretty obvious now that Jet A1 is more expensive than Avgas, an E-jet could be a little bit of an overkill..
When is the likely decision going to be made to replace the ATRs? It has been delayed a few times, and its pretty obvious now that Jet A1 is more expensive than Avgas, an E-jet could be a little bit of an overkill..
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It is on the AirNZ board agenda for the month of June.
But it has been there before and could get moved to another month again.
With the current fuel situation it would be a impressive decision to move away from the ATR.
But it has been there before and could get moved to another month again.
With the current fuel situation it would be a impressive decision to move away from the ATR.
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Empacher48..."It has been delayed a few times, and its pretty obvious now that Jet A1 is more expensive than Avgas, an E-jet could be a little bit of an overkill.."
...Do you think it would be a good idea for Mt Cook to operate a/c that run on Avgas?
...Do you think it would be a good idea for Mt Cook to operate a/c that run on Avgas?
Do you think it would be a good idea for Mt Cook to operate a/c that run on Avgas?
But the massive increase in the price of Jet A1 MAY have a tiny impact on the decision whether to remain with the current type, or if they are going to change types to either a Jet or Turboprop fleet.
But hey, lets not let airline economics get in the way of a good discussion!
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no you're right, you didn't state that, I read an inference that wasn't there.
"But hey, lets not let airline economics get in the way of a good discussion!"
Remind me what Avgas has to do with airline economics?
"But hey, lets not let airline economics get in the way of a good discussion!"
Remind me what Avgas has to do with airline economics?
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Talking of jets into the regions, anyone know when NZ started flying jets between CHC/DUD?
Just looking in the timetables and it shows NZ 611 CHC/DUD and NZ 612 DUD/CHC on Mondays, Thursdays, and Fridays; all 733.
I thought jet services were ridded of after the Bae's went outta service...or would this be more of a shot at PB?
Just looking in the timetables and it shows NZ 611 CHC/DUD and NZ 612 DUD/CHC on Mondays, Thursdays, and Fridays; all 733.
I thought jet services were ridded of after the Bae's went outta service...or would this be more of a shot at PB?
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I thought jet services were ridded of after the Bae's went outta service...or would this be more of a shot at PB?
Air Nz were planning several months back to extend their 733 services into the regions. This was to also include boosting existing jet services to Dud and the selection of two other jet capable regional towns ( Palmerston north, Invercargill or Hamilton). Their intention was to run trial jet services to test demand........Announcements were meant to have been made at the end of March as to which towns they would serve and flight schedules etc. I think that some towns actually lobbied the airline for new jet services. Thus far it Hasn't happened. The intention was to increase their 733 fleet from 14 to 18... To date they have increased the size of their fleet to 16 aircraft.....I don't think any more are coming now.
Apart from increasing services to Dunedin ( Which PB started flying to this month), It looks as though Air NZ has back-tracked on this jet strategy( since oil prices have escalated dramatically since then).and have decided not to start Jet services to the small towns.
On a side note Air NZ has also added capacity to the Dunedin - Wellington route going from just three 733 services per day to five mixed turbo prop (ATR72 and Q300)and jet services per day.........
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Domestic 737-800's?
A segment Taken from an article in today's press 07/07/08
"Air New Zealand has been offered earlier production slots for 777-300ERs it has on order by airlines wanting to cancel or delay their own deliveries.
It is understood there has also been an offer to sell Boeing 737-800 slots which could allow Air New Zealand to fast-track the replacement of its smaller 737-300 domestic jet fleet.
Fyfe would say only that "the easing of the aircraft market may present us with the opportunity to acquire efficient capacity more economically than has been possible in recent years".
However, he said the airline was not looking to bring forward fleet purchase decisions."
full story here...
Stock Market News and Financial News in New Zealand - NZX.com
"Air New Zealand has been offered earlier production slots for 777-300ERs it has on order by airlines wanting to cancel or delay their own deliveries.
It is understood there has also been an offer to sell Boeing 737-800 slots which could allow Air New Zealand to fast-track the replacement of its smaller 737-300 domestic jet fleet.
Fyfe would say only that "the easing of the aircraft market may present us with the opportunity to acquire efficient capacity more economically than has been possible in recent years".
However, he said the airline was not looking to bring forward fleet purchase decisions."
full story here...
Stock Market News and Financial News in New Zealand - NZX.com