Uni Lecturer Gets Off after Punching Jetstar Crew.
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How is it possible to plead guilty to assault and not have a conviction recorded?
"You poor stressed wee lamb,you obviously didn,t mean to punch the nasty man twice"
It is unbelievable
"You poor stressed wee lamb,you obviously didn,t mean to punch the nasty man twice"
It is unbelievable
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How is it possible to plead guilty to assault and not have a conviction recorded?
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Capt. Cynical hit the nail on the head. She may've escaped conviction but I'm sure the magistrate still gave her a tongue-lashing.
"See me in my chambers after court, Professor.." 
Uni Lecturer Gets Off after Punching Jetstar Crew.
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Amos,
What's Kirby J. got to do with this?
B A Lert,
Is the transcript - or judgment - available on the net? I would like to read it.
IMHO assault is serious enough not to qualify for a s.556A (a section of the Crimes Act whereby you can have a penalty imposed but no conviction recorded for a first offence - allows behaviour way out of character to be sort-of excused) but Lert is right in that we don't know all the facts.
But, it appears that Jetstar are considering appealing. For once, I wish JQ well.
What's Kirby J. got to do with this?
B A Lert,
Is the transcript - or judgment - available on the net? I would like to read it.
IMHO assault is serious enough not to qualify for a s.556A (a section of the Crimes Act whereby you can have a penalty imposed but no conviction recorded for a first offence - allows behaviour way out of character to be sort-of excused) but Lert is right in that we don't know all the facts.
But, it appears that Jetstar are considering appealing. For once, I wish JQ well.
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Considering Jetstars booking practices and half hour "cutoff" point, I'm surprised Jetstar staff haven't copped more abuse and assaults.
Jetstars business practices put their staff at risk. It also cannot be very pleasant for other passengers to witness these types of goings on, but then again, what would Qantas or Jetstar management care?
Jetstars business practices put their staff at risk. It also cannot be very pleasant for other passengers to witness these types of goings on, but then again, what would Qantas or Jetstar management care?
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What's the difference, Fishy. They could invoke a 5min cut-off and some people like this professor tw@t would still cut it by a minute or two and start swinging their manbags when told to fcuk off.
Why TF should management take responsibility for some dick throwing punches??? You're living in a dreamworld, man...
Is there any airline you actually like?
Why TF should management take responsibility for some dick throwing punches??? You're living in a dreamworld, man...
Is there any airline you actually like?
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...............obviously the attack was unacceptable as most have indicated in here & so it ought to be. But ponder this...................the person doing the assaulting was a male !!!..............I doubt it very much that the outcome would be what we have here. I believe that punishing someone for such an act is the only way now in our stressfull society but may I put it to the masses here that rather than fining someone here huge amounts (obviously not in this case) or a custodian penalty (that's obviously needed in very serious cases) but rather a recorded conviction that will follow her for the rest of her life. That action will do more harm for an individual than any other lessor penalty making anybody think twice before behaving poorly in public.
Still road rage is now very common place out there & maybe this is a sign 'Air Rage' is becoming part of our busy & hectic lives having an effect on every rational thinking person.
Capt Wally:-)
Still road rage is now very common place out there & maybe this is a sign 'Air Rage' is becoming part of our busy & hectic lives having an effect on every rational thinking person.
Capt Wally:-)
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In the words of the great Jeff Foxworthy.............
And she sure looks like a redneck, great to see our educational dollar being spent wisely!
J
PS not your mum is it Rove?
If you think ya boarding pass is a permission slip to punch the cabin crew in the face............YA MIGHT BE A REDNECK!!!
J
PS not your mum is it Rove?
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Scotty Doo is spot on. You buy the ticket you know the deal 30 minutes and thats that.
I ask again did she or did she not punch a staff member? No need to spend hours trying to work out pros and cons. If the answer is yes - Simple, life ban from all air travel.
I wouldn't waste time waiting for the justice system to provide justice to its citizens.
I ask again did she or did she not punch a staff member? No need to spend hours trying to work out pros and cons. If the answer is yes - Simple, life ban from all air travel.
I wouldn't waste time waiting for the justice system to provide justice to its citizens.
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Sunfish touches on a significant point and I think Jetstar may have to appeal the apparent leniency of the punishment.
The company has a "duty of care" to provide a safe working environment and it may come to pass that if they are seen as not doing this or are not making a serious attempt to protect their staff then it could precipitate industrial/OH&S action down the track.
The company has a "duty of care" to provide a safe working environment and it may come to pass that if they are seen as not doing this or are not making a serious attempt to protect their staff then it could precipitate industrial/OH&S action down the track.
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"At the risk of offending The Daily Telegraph and John Laws' talkback show, I do not need to record a conviction," she said.
"Just be careful, airports are very stressful places for a lot of people."
I worked in a terminal with pax for about seven years.
From many examples, I remember...
A woman returning to China with the ashes of her only son,
Several families travelling with severely disabled children,
A woman travelling with her paranoid schizophrenic teenage son, who thought the PA messages were demons and needed her constant reassurance,
A couple returning to New York after their nephew was killed in the WTC on 9/11,
Many, many people who had missed their flight (sometimes therefore missing an important personal occasion) and hundreds (thousands?) of other people dealing with air travel while undergoing appalling amounts of stress.
None of those people lost control to the extent of resorting to physical violence. Some were verbally abusive, and in the circumstances that was probably understandable, but NONE of them felt the need to punch a staff member in the face.
This is just the latest example of the lack of personal accountability seeping into our culture, where a person can physically assault someone, then jump back and say "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it!! I was very upset at the time...", then receive a pat on the head and a "there, there" from the judiciary.
It sends a message to all the erks out there that they can treat customer service people like serfs and escape any major repurcussions.
B A Lert I take your point about reading the transcript (I had a trawl on the net and couldn't find anything), but she did plead guilty to two counts of assault, and has been widely reported as having punched the employee.
"Just be careful, airports are very stressful places for a lot of people."
I worked in a terminal with pax for about seven years.
From many examples, I remember...
A woman returning to China with the ashes of her only son,
Several families travelling with severely disabled children,
A woman travelling with her paranoid schizophrenic teenage son, who thought the PA messages were demons and needed her constant reassurance,
A couple returning to New York after their nephew was killed in the WTC on 9/11,
Many, many people who had missed their flight (sometimes therefore missing an important personal occasion) and hundreds (thousands?) of other people dealing with air travel while undergoing appalling amounts of stress.
None of those people lost control to the extent of resorting to physical violence. Some were verbally abusive, and in the circumstances that was probably understandable, but NONE of them felt the need to punch a staff member in the face.
This is just the latest example of the lack of personal accountability seeping into our culture, where a person can physically assault someone, then jump back and say "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it!! I was very upset at the time...", then receive a pat on the head and a "there, there" from the judiciary.
It sends a message to all the erks out there that they can treat customer service people like serfs and escape any major repurcussions.
B A Lert I take your point about reading the transcript (I had a trawl on the net and couldn't find anything), but she did plead guilty to two counts of assault, and has been widely reported as having punched the employee.
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I don’t know much about the legalities here, but I wonder what would have happened if the Jet* employee hit back? 
Well, lets see what Jet* does, if they don’t appeal, why don’t we all starting hitting the heads of check in staff of the same gender? ( I am kidding here, Just pointing out how stupid this is)
The precedent has been set.
I am disgusted the way this has been treated.
I wish she was allowed on my plane, If I saw this happen I would go back and “accidentally” shove her face into the seat arm as she is going down to the floor where I would knee her in the neck while controlling her with a fist full of her hair and cuff her. Hey, I am allowed to on the plane.
If Jet* doesn’t reply, then they are just an embarrassment and left them selves open to future problems.
Well, lets see what Jet* does, if they don’t appeal, why don’t we all starting hitting the heads of check in staff of the same gender? ( I am kidding here, Just pointing out how stupid this is)
The precedent has been set.
I am disgusted the way this has been treated.
I wish she was allowed on my plane, If I saw this happen I would go back and “accidentally” shove her face into the seat arm as she is going down to the floor where I would knee her in the neck while controlling her with a fist full of her hair and cuff her. Hey, I am allowed to on the plane.
If Jet* doesn’t reply, then they are just an embarrassment and left them selves open to future problems.
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It has everything to do with J*, Lert. They recognise the fact it happened on their time and they appear to be supporting the cause. This does not mean it is J* taking action against the b!tch; they're a difference and it seems J* appreciate this. For once (from what I hear) acting pro-staff.
If you believe this means protecting staff from idiots like this woman, then you might be a part of the problem rather than the solution.
The campany shouldn't have to dance around reacting to every act of anti-social behaviour by any miscreant who walks through the door. Okay, maybe kick the arses of the security morons whose fat @rses maybe took too long to get there and stop the second punch.
Are there gaping holes in the floor, waiting to endanger the staff, or anything like that? No? Do they provide hearing protection and hi-vis vests for the staff? Well then I think they are providing a safe environment. Saying they need to preempt some slag like this uni-bitch is unrealistic and silly.
As for the conviction, I'd say if the strikes had been described as "slaps" or even "bitch-slaps" then there'd be a case for letting her off. But if they were truly "punches" then this bitch should be on ice.
The company has a "duty of care" to provide a safe working environment and it may come to pass that if they are seen as not doing this or are not making a serious attempt to protect their staff then it could precipitate industrial/OH&S action down the track.
The campany shouldn't have to dance around reacting to every act of anti-social behaviour by any miscreant who walks through the door. Okay, maybe kick the arses of the security morons whose fat @rses maybe took too long to get there and stop the second punch.
Are there gaping holes in the floor, waiting to endanger the staff, or anything like that? No? Do they provide hearing protection and hi-vis vests for the staff? Well then I think they are providing a safe environment. Saying they need to preempt some slag like this uni-bitch is unrealistic and silly.
As for the conviction, I'd say if the strikes had been described as "slaps" or even "bitch-slaps" then there'd be a case for letting her off. But if they were truly "punches" then this bitch should be on ice.