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Sunfish 27th Nov 2007 03:32

Uni Lecturer Gets Off after Punching Jetstar Crew.
 
Uni Lecturer Gets Off after Punching Jetstar Crew.

From the Age:

"Uni lecturer free over airport assault

November 27, 2007 - 3:14PM


A Sydney university lecturer who swore at a Jetstar employee and punched him in the face because she was late for her flight has escaped conviction.

Patricia McManus, 42, of Carlingford, on Tuesday pleaded guilty to two counts of assault and swearing in a public place after an incident at Sydney's domestic airport last month.

McManus tried to check in 12 minutes before her Jetstar flight to Hervey Bay, Queensland, was scheduled to leave and started swearing at staff when told she was too late, according to a statement of facts.

McManus later punched the customer service manager twice in the face after he refused to let her back into the terminal.

Magistrate Lee Gilmour said she accepted McManus had acted out of character and was deeply stressed at the time of the offence.

"I understand how you got so angry ... (but) once you got over the initial shock of being denied access to the plane, you calmed down and police said you were extremely contrite," she said.

Ms Gilmour, who recently has come under media scrutiny over the leniency of the penalties she hands down, ordered McManus to pay $70 in court costs.

"At the risk of offending The Daily Telegraph and John Laws' talkback show, I do not need to record a conviction," she said.

"Just be careful, airports are very stressful places for a lot of people.
"

I guess it goes with the territory these days......

lowerlobe 27th Nov 2007 03:45

I wonder if the Magistrate would have been so lenient if it was her that was punched.....

Keg 27th Nov 2007 03:48

At least the staff know that if they now belt a passenger that they won't get a criminal record from it.......it's a stressful place after all.

Fair dinkum but how do fruit loops like this get onto the bench?!?! :eek:

B A Lert 27th Nov 2007 04:14

Armchair Jurists
 
Newspapers don't spoil good stories with the facts. Before passing judgment on the magistrate's, maybe it would be wise to read a full transcript of the proceedings and review the evidence before you comment on what the press has published.

Howard Hughes 27th Nov 2007 04:39

It's OK Mr Bin Liner, I won't be recording a conviction for your terrorist activities, I mean you were at the airport and we all know they can be such stressful places...:rolleyes:

Where does the madness stop?

sinala1 27th Nov 2007 04:53

Well at the very least I hope she has been blackbanned from any future JQ or QF flights, and that information has also been shared with other Australian airlines... :ugh: :yuk: := :*

WannaBeBiggles 27th Nov 2007 06:06

Wonder what the sentence would have been if it were a stay at home mother...

If the lady punched the guy OUTSIDE the terminal that means she was hostile enough to have been evicted from the terminal.

Wonder what would have happend if one of the professors students punched her in the face during uni exams... they are stressful after all! :ugh:

Metro man 27th Nov 2007 06:13

Courts are very stressfull places too, if I don't like a magistrates decision is it alright to punch him ? :E

Wod 27th Nov 2007 06:21

Calm down guys!

"Calmed down; expressed contrition to the police" and pleaded guilty.

It's probably the right way to treat a first offender.

Not all bad (stupid) behaviour requires punishment. A ticking off will sometimes do it.

Keg 27th Nov 2007 06:40

So let me understand this correctly. We actually don't subscribe to the theory of 'zero tolerance'. It appears that we actually are prepared to tolerate assault as long as it's a 'stressful' situation. Personally i'd prefer to live in a society where everyone understood that it's actually not acceptable to flip your lid and resort to physical violence to solve the issues.

OhForSure 27th Nov 2007 06:51

Amen Keg...

Blue Sky Baron 27th Nov 2007 07:48

Just Curious!
 
I wonder if the magistrate would have been as kind had the incident occurred in the air? I bet not, so when is assult acceptable?
Don't forget, flying can be stressful for some too!

BSB

Qantas 787 27th Nov 2007 07:58

What a joke - imagine what would have happened if the JQ staff member touched her?

Airports are stressful places..........so does that mean all the staff can punch people? I can't believe she got away with that. The courts are a joke.

assasin8 27th Nov 2007 08:20

Rather than paying an insignificant $70, as a fine, she could do 70 hrs community service, handling irate customers at the airport checkin... It is such a stressful place after all...:rolleyes:

Mr. Hat 27th Nov 2007 09:09


Before passing judgment on the magistrate's, maybe it would be wise to read a full transcript of the proceedings and review the evidence before you comment on what the press has published.
Err did she punch the staff member or not? Thats really all that needs to be said.

People have bad days all the time. Very few of those punch people in the face. May i add that in certain unfortunate circumstances people have died from this.

Highly reccomend passing this persons name to the relevant manager where you work so she can be blacklisted. The 70 bucks won't hurt, but tell you what, not being able to fly anywhere in Australia indefinitely certainly will.

Enoughs enough.

amos2 27th Nov 2007 09:09

I'm surprised that you're all missing the connection here!
Female Uni lecturer...
Female magistrate...
aw!..c'mon guys!!
Are you really that thick?

Howard Hughes 27th Nov 2007 09:14


Very few of those punch people in the face.
TWICE!!:rolleyes:

Wod 27th Nov 2007 09:26

Keg Absolutely do not subscribe to "zero tolerance". Most of those who use the term sound like the leaders of the lynch mob to me. (And I don't think you are one of them)

That aside, this idiot did not get off scot free. She was arrested, charged, went to court and we are discussing her here.

My post was intended to say that I found that an adequate outcome.

capt.cynical 27th Nov 2007 09:31

Mmm!!!
 
FEMALE Uni Lecturer :yuk:
FEMALE Magistrate--Uni Graduate ??:confused:

Short Hair:*
Big Earings:(
Hairy Legs:E

Mmmmm !!!:eek:

sinala1 27th Nov 2007 09:37


Originally Posted by wod
It's probably the right way to treat a first offender.

Not all bad (stupid) behaviour requires punishment. A ticking off will sometimes do it.

Why don't you say that to the person who actually got punched, twice, in the face?

A $70 fine and the "inconvenience" of having to appear in court is not nearly sufficient. You say you are quite happy with the process thats taken place... what if it were you or your wife/husband or your kid or your parent that was punched in the face twice for NO reason whatsoever? I doubt you would be as forgiving then...

I wonder if this offence could actually be classified under the CAO's/CAR's as violence against an airline officer? Although I guess Magistrate Forgive-a-lot wouldn't care anyway :*


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