Passenger jailed for inflight threat
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Passenger jailed for inflight threat
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...695964270.html
12 months for a drunken threat...fair or harsh?
Interesting to note is was Etihad again
12 months for a drunken threat...fair or harsh?
Interesting to note is was Etihad again
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According to facts tendered in court today, Kottsieper drank at least eight glasses of whisky during the Etihad flight................cabin crew members refused to serve him any more because of his intoxicated state
So much for responsible service of alcohol
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Im with you Jenna, I too think he got what he deserved!
An FA is not medically equiped to determine whether or not he should curb his drinking habits, and everyone reacts differently to different levels of alcohol. Besides he could have been served by different FA's at different times. I have seen pi$$ heads approach the galley on international flights to get another "free" beverage, often behaving like school kids at schoolies.
Certainly that was no way to respond when offered a cool refreshing H2O.
Just a theory but........... maybe the sweet young FA didnt want to cop any more abuse from an ugly, arrogant, smelly passenger. So maybe she was thinking if she gives him just one more, firstly he will leave her alone (and take his smell with him) and secondly maybe he might fall asleep also resulting in leaving her alone. Sounds like he was a "real" charmer.
Finally maybe they should have let him open the door so he got sucked out, problem solved,...... Sir, could you please close the door behind you???? Ar$eh0le!!!!!
An FA is not medically equiped to determine whether or not he should curb his drinking habits, and everyone reacts differently to different levels of alcohol. Besides he could have been served by different FA's at different times. I have seen pi$$ heads approach the galley on international flights to get another "free" beverage, often behaving like school kids at schoolies.
Certainly that was no way to respond when offered a cool refreshing H2O.
Just a theory but........... maybe the sweet young FA didnt want to cop any more abuse from an ugly, arrogant, smelly passenger. So maybe she was thinking if she gives him just one more, firstly he will leave her alone (and take his smell with him) and secondly maybe he might fall asleep also resulting in leaving her alone. Sounds like he was a "real" charmer.
Finally maybe they should have let him open the door so he got sucked out, problem solved,...... Sir, could you please close the door behind you???? Ar$eh0le!!!!!
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He planned to get psychological help for his alcohol problem when he returned to Abu Dhabi, he also said.
And is an Arab country really the best place to get "psychological help for his alcohol problem"?
Then again, pop over to the Kingdom and they'll sort it for you!!
12 months for a drunken threat...fair or harsh?
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Can't help but think after hearing about this incident and the one a month or so ago where a couple of First Class pax were locked up on arrival in Abu Dhabi after a complaint bya flight attendant that these two incidents point to very inexperienced cabin crew not yet properly equipped to handle what are, let's face it, everyday occurences in any long haul airline. More experienced crew douse down with such incidents without too much fuss and without the police getting involved. (The guy had had EIGHT scotches and wanted more? More experienced c.c. would have turned the tap off a long time before that.)
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Some of you people here should really wake up. 
Why is it the cc/barman/waiter etc... responsibility how much you drink or how you act afterwards.
While where at it, lets blame the companies that supply the airlines with all that alcohol as well. Or maybe the farmers that grow the wheat/grapes we make beer/wine with. As far as inexperience goes, how is someone to get some if nobody gives you a chance?
Or maybe we should have a law which forbids alcohol on all flights. That would help all these people who through no fault of their own drink on board act like d*
*heads and then have to abuse the crew when they can’t get anymore.
What an idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is it the cc/barman/waiter etc... responsibility how much you drink or how you act afterwards.
While where at it, lets blame the companies that supply the airlines with all that alcohol as well. Or maybe the farmers that grow the wheat/grapes we make beer/wine with. As far as inexperience goes, how is someone to get some if nobody gives you a chance?
Or maybe we should have a law which forbids alcohol on all flights. That would help all these people who through no fault of their own drink on board act like d*
*heads and then have to abuse the crew when they can’t get anymore.What an idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why is it the cc/barman/waiter etc... responsibility (sic) how much you drink or how you act afterwards
I suppose you'd also like everyone to have a gun if they want one??? Individual responsibility and all that crap?
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So presumably you will willingly cop abuse from a passenger who is good looking and not smelly?
While you lucky little cabin crew ducks may get a break every twelve hours or so, us poor passengers often have to go the whole miserable 21+ hours plus at least six hours getting poked and prodded by security, immigration and customs without a shower, while squashed into an aircraft like sardines and being served disgusting airline food (with plastic cutlery no less) by disengaged, bored cabin crew whose minds are on their next tropical holiday and what jewelery they are going to acquire (one way or another) next time they are in Dubai.
Of course passengers are bad tempered and smelly - for goodness sake lighten up.
Furthermore, ever heard of a certificate course called "responsible service of alcohol"? Seems like none of you have. Which means that none of you would qualify to hand out drinks in the State of Victoria.
I think a reasonable conclusion is that this case was a lose / lose stupid situation.
Stupid for the passenger, although I can sympathise with wanting to fly as drunk as possible to make the cabin crew look vaguely attractive and perhaps remain unconscious for as long as possible during the flight.
Stupid for the airline and Cabin crew (Assuming that the bloke was sober when he went on board) for demonstrating their incompetence in allowing the gentleman to get himself into this situation in the first place.
Having said all that, maybe I'll fly Etihad in future.
cop any more abuse from an ugly, arrogant, smelly passenger.
While you lucky little cabin crew ducks may get a break every twelve hours or so, us poor passengers often have to go the whole miserable 21+ hours plus at least six hours getting poked and prodded by security, immigration and customs without a shower, while squashed into an aircraft like sardines and being served disgusting airline food (with plastic cutlery no less) by disengaged, bored cabin crew whose minds are on their next tropical holiday and what jewelery they are going to acquire (one way or another) next time they are in Dubai.
Of course passengers are bad tempered and smelly - for goodness sake lighten up.
Furthermore, ever heard of a certificate course called "responsible service of alcohol"? Seems like none of you have. Which means that none of you would qualify to hand out drinks in the State of Victoria.
I think a reasonable conclusion is that this case was a lose / lose stupid situation.
Stupid for the passenger, although I can sympathise with wanting to fly as drunk as possible to make the cabin crew look vaguely attractive and perhaps remain unconscious for as long as possible during the flight.
Stupid for the airline and Cabin crew (Assuming that the bloke was sober when he went on board) for demonstrating their incompetence in allowing the gentleman to get himself into this situation in the first place.
Having said all that, maybe I'll fly Etihad in future.
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Originally Posted by ScottyDoo
Individual responsibility and all that crap?
I don't believe the crew should he hung, drawn and quartered here, nor should they be referred to as "inexperienced" - none of us was on that flight, we are relying purely on information given from the media (and we all know how accurate that usually is), so none of us know the circumstances surrounding this incident nor the experience level of the crew. Were this an aircraft tech incident and all the armchair experts started speculating about (insert relevant tech issue here) or making assumptions as to the experience level of the crew, I can gaurantee there is more than one person who would be jumping up and down, ranting and raving about "amateurs and their MS flight sim hours" etc etc etc...
Originally Posted by Sunfish
While you lucky little cabin crew ducks may get a break every twelve hours or so, us poor passengers often have to go the whole miserable 21+ hours plus at least six hours getting poked and prodded by security, immigration and customs without a shower, while squashed into an aircraft like sardines and being served disgusting airline food (with plastic cutlery no less)
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Originally Posted by sunfish
us poor passengers often have to go the whole miserable 21+ hours
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the crew should have ..... explained the increased effects of alcohol at altitude and the requirement to drink more water etc, and then equipped with that information the pax can limit his/their drinking amounts to what they know they can handle.
I'd like to see you trying to reason with a drunk and explain to him how many standard drinks he's capable of consuming, altitude, Buys Ballots Laws, wtf, etc, etc.......
The crew should've had their sh!t in one sock and kept track of who was serving how many drinks to which obvious heavy drinkers. That's what they are supposedly trained, qualified, licenced and EXPECTED to do.
I'm sure you'll find a few sorry crew who blew their christmas bonus for bringing shame upon the company.
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Originally Posted by ScottyDoo
The crew served him p!ss until he got up and tried to open the door.
Originally Posted by ScottyDoo
I'd like to see you trying to reason with a drunk and explain to him how many standard drinks he's capable of consuming, altitude, Buys Ballots Laws, wtf, etc, etc.......
Originally Posted by ScottyDoo
The crew should've had their sh!t in one sock and kept track of who was serving how many drinks to which obvious heavy drinkers. That's what they are supposedly trained, qualified, licenced and EXPECTED to do.
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There is nothing like hypocrisy is there ScottyDoo...
First you call cabin crew old boilers with monotonous regularity then you have a shot at cabin Crew who are probably young and inexperienced because that is what the airlines want now.
Do you want cabin crew with experience to know when someone is going to be a problem or do you want young ones with no experience and are there because they will take the lowest pay packet offered and look great at their age?
Do you let pilots with 2 hours flying experience captain a wide body aircraft?
C'Mon Little Scotty which do you want....You can't have it both...use that grey matter in your head and think for once
First you call cabin crew old boilers with monotonous regularity then you have a shot at cabin Crew who are probably young and inexperienced because that is what the airlines want now.
Do you want cabin crew with experience to know when someone is going to be a problem or do you want young ones with no experience and are there because they will take the lowest pay packet offered and look great at their age?
Do you let pilots with 2 hours flying experience captain a wide body aircraft?
C'Mon Little Scotty which do you want....You can't have it both...use that grey matter in your head and think for once
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LetsGoRated...The purpose of a sentence is not only to punish but also to deter others from thinking it would be fun to do the same.
The sort of person that would do this is not the sharpest pencil in the box and there has to be some sort of punishment that makes them realise that this type of behaviour is not going to be tolerated.
The sort of person that would do this is not the sharpest pencil in the box and there has to be some sort of punishment that makes them realise that this type of behaviour is not going to be tolerated.
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Normal people do not do this type of thing, it is appropriate that it is dealt with.
For our peace of minds, there has not been a big jet made with a door that can be opened when A/C pressurised, for a long, long time if ever. They will only crack open when depressurised to vent smoke if in a dire emergency.
For our peace of minds, there has not been a big jet made with a door that can be opened when A/C pressurised, for a long, long time if ever. They will only crack open when depressurised to vent smoke if in a dire emergency.
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Thanks short circuit I didn't know that as SLF, so I'm a bit happier with that knowledge. As to the incarcerated future AA gentleman, well you should stand by your actions. Plenty of people drink lots and don't do things that scare everyone else, may be indicative of other issues..