Romulus

Nice question.

Have you stopped molesting little kids recently?

The Mr Fixit

Rom, most know your cred is good don't blow it by lowering yourself to trolling

Primate !!!!!! you're back betcha your knuckles are sore from all the chestbeating and knuckledragging oh my mistake you're a globe fairy

Quite simply if Qf are STUPID enough to screw their own over this aircraft god help them the new breed of LAME will make them sorry

Rom, a serious question, do you think it's a conflict of interest for Gregg to be in the position on both boards ?

I mean FFS it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out whats going on.

satos

Hey Romulus,I know of countless of engineers including myself that have applied for Lame/Ame Mechanical positions with your company at tullamarine but have never received a reply regarding their application.Is it too hard for you to send an email or make a phone call to let us know what is going on.Yet I see you are still advertising flat out in the 'Australian' newspaper every week.

No SAR No Details

Romulus
A question you didn't answer directly.
Reason being is you are treating your employees like a complete "see u next Tuesday".
As you have you work your guys on 19 hr days, 15 days straight, split shifts, no fatigue or human factors taken into account with your rostering, that's if you even bother to roster some of your employees and prevent fair representation that probably accounts for such a stupid response as "have you stopped molesting children".
I think you need a holiday from the forum!
You don't have enough staff to cover the contracts you have now, let alone pick up the QF A380 work and take the people off the floor to carry out the required training.

Nepotisim

Is that right? We haven't been told who is tendering for the contract. There could be twenty or there could be one.
I wouldn't have thought that sort of knowledge would be let out. Maybe Gregg feed the information to you guys. What else has he told you? Isn't there some sort of law against this insider knowledge during tendering?
It is alright though, QF Supply Chain (aka Stores) is running the show. If their spare parts handling abiliities shine through on the tendering process, then QF are in a lot of trouble.
N

domo

its down to two qantas acs and john holland

Romulus

True, true, I consider myself properly and appropriately rebuked.


Given Gregg has nothing to do with us at JHAS, as far as I know he hasn't even visited but I may be wrong, it's not a conflict. We have appropriate separation and away we go.

There will always be crossovers occurring in business, it's pretty much unavoidable.

Care to share?

I'm not aware of any great depth except we're fighting to win some business. We have no inappropriate external help that I am aware of. Yes we might be being used to price check ACS, I doubt it however given the amount of time we are getting from Qantas management.

I could, however, be looking at the world through rose coloured glasses.

Romulus

For this I apologise profusely.

It has been raised a couple of times now and I don't know why it is occurring. The HR team are certainly flat out but that is no excuse not to send even a simple "thanks but we have nothing directly fitting your skillset right now" type of letter.

The level of demand we are seeing (and this is certainly feeding into the strain on HR) is way above what we expected so at some point there should be something for most people.

Again, my apologies for the lack of courtesy, this has been raised and will be dealt with.

Romulus

Actually the question was more like "will you stop treating your employees..." which is one of those questions that cannot be answered in any reasonable way. Hence the return question which was of the same ilk.


This is simply incorrect.

As is this

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this is potentially true, can't say I am aware of any sitations where it is excessive but it is certainly possible.

we go back to being compeltely incorrect, we are well aware of human factors issues and they are ALWAYS a consideration

there are several interpretations to this one, elaborate and I'll get back to you

Clearly incorrect given the President of the ACTU herself negotiated the collective agreement

Nope, what accounts for that is an initial question of the smae ilk from another.

And yes, I shouldn't have responded the way I did, I think you'll live however.


thankyou for your concern, I'm fine actually

We've expanded from approx 120 to over 200 full timers, pretty much all in
genuine workforce areas and there are more offers being made all the time. We'll keep growing as long as we can win work to justify employing people.

Plus we're already declining to bid for some opportunities for exactly the reasons outlined.

Beleive it or not we'veactually thought about that.

So have Qantas.

And guess what - how we intend todeal with that formed a key part of our submission.

Have a great weekend

Sunfish

Rudderless - I am still doing penance for being a cog in an outsourcing machine, thats why I make the confession about what happens.

Romulus - Andersen Consulting (Now Accenture) - didn't work for them but I still have the scars from having had to deal with them. They climbed all over me trying to get at my customer. I have rarely seen a more vicious and self serving organisation.

EDS - Nope, but close.

As for your view of doing outsourcing "properly", you are welcome to your opinion, but as an older and more pessimistic person, the problems won't be apparent right now because they only appear when changes occur that are unanticipated in the original agreement and / or senior management changes occur resulting in different motivations and consequently "interpretations" of the agreement.

I'm afraid that I have had to deal with a large amount of what appeared to be "Ironclad" and very fair agreements with the likes of Macquarie Bank and other similar people and its amazing how "creative" and just plain evil they can be when it suits them. I'm afraid that this problem cannot be dealt with through "absolute good faith" clauses either.

For example, ever seen the "4.55pm Friday night fax" trick?

The first inkling you will get of problems is a letter with the opening sentence: "Terms in this letter have the same meaning as the definitions in our legal agreement".

I wish you luck.

Redstone

Good to hear Romulus, because as you would be fully aware this is a very big part of the new regs, the regs under which the A380 is being introduced.

It probably sounds all very exciting now, but the 380 contract will end up being a poisoned challace for anyone who wins it. Remember this is Qantas you are dealing with!!!

satos

Thanks for your reply Romulus.
As you know,aviation maintenance employment in Victoria is very poor at the moment with the majority of the work going to Brisbane.

Apophis

dealt with what a raft of crap might as well save the cost of a stamp and not apply you will get the same response.
by the way how big is the hr team proably a part timer who comes in for two hours a week casual.

mainwheel

It will be interesting to see the introduction of the A380 to the VH register.

What requirements for maintenance to satisfy CASA and the maker.

Are preflight inspections necessary.How often, 10 days, 20.

How broad a coverage does the MEL provide.

Would it be at all feasable to keep kicking them until they go O/T (over there) for real maintenace. Somewhere where an MRO holds EASA spares.

Then theres the B787............

rudderless1

So Romulos,
Peter Gregg sits on the John Holland board and knows nothing its Aviation MRO which tenders for contracts for QF's maintenance (Peter Gregg BEING THE CFO of QF). He has never visited the site? Has never passed internal information on as FAR AS YOU KNOW? I am sure he is just there to get the water.

Well, is this just more of current Australian management technique to sit people on Boards they have no idea about? I can now see why we are happy to fill Australian Board rooms with second rate yanks.

THE BOYS CLUB LIVES ON. FCUK IT!

Romulos, you are a pawn there to provide credibility to a suspect organisation. To provide you with the truth would not help the JH's cause. What better promotion than to have someone who is energetic, smart and respected driving it home. Your just part of the game, how often does the pawn make it to the other end, rather than sacrificed for the greater agenda!

Romulus

Same here. Everything you stated was very familiar to me from a SAP contract where I was client side. They ended up with about 3 or 4 layers of AC "managers" between our management team and us.

I got shipped off everywhere for raising a stink on a regular basis.

Being a big and ugly 2nd rower who didn't care if he had to bowl into the CEOs office I was continually surprised I wasn't let go. Eventually AC tried getting me into their tent by inviting me to "strategic" meetings on how the politics should be played to get things done and how it would be "net progressive" (I kid you not) for my career.

And of course, when everything went haywire us locals copped the flack.

We even have a mechanism for that.


Agreed, the setting up of the initial contract is very important.

Thanks. I suspect I can uess how ACS will attack us to win teh business, hopefully we've thought through all of that and can make it happen.

Romulus

Poor diddums.

Actually there's 2 on it full time with a lot of Corporate time in there as well.

Romulus

Im pretty sure I was clear that he knows of us but has nothing to do with us on a day to day basis.


Our tenders do not go to Leighton Holdigns for approval, all tenders go to the MD of John Holland and that's it. Very important principle given we have a number of businesses competing in certain areas.

I can state with certainty he has never been tehre when I have been there, nor have I ever met the man or even had a discussion with him.

Given I can only speak for myself I can confirm he has never even spoken to me let alone given me any info. And given I'm fully involved with teh A380 submissions I think I'd know.

Equally, you apparently CAN speak for him. I suggest you claim the money from that Skeptics mob who offer billions for proven ESP type skills.

Or perhaps you're just making it all up which reflects rather badly on you. Of course, if you have anything to back up your claims I suggest you contact ASIC and report it.

Somehow I expect to hear the sound of silence on that score.

Well, the chairwoman of John Holland does provide us with some nice staff benefits in terms of discounted wines from one of her other companies...

Is that evil? Does it fit into your "Illuminati" like conspiracy theories?

Come now, take a Bex and have a good lie down!!


Bugger. I guess that's why we have a female GM at JHAS and a female Chairwoman at John Holland.

Why thanks, I think that's a compliment. But which organisation is suspect?

Um, if you're referring to me then I'll accept energetic but smart and respected is pushing it a bit.



Maybe I should hire you to do PR for me!

Oddly enough I've already been sacrificed twice before in my career. Maybe it will happen again. Equally I'm one of those stupid types who insists on trying to change things for, hopefully, the better.

Peace and goodwill to all

R

Apophis

and still you can,t reply to people !

NAS1801

Apophis, I seem to remember you making the SAME complaints with respect to an application up in Brisbane with Qantas. Maybe you just need to face the fact that if you are not hearing back, you're unsuccessful.