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Hi everyone-first post
Vb Mel base does lot less than 15 O/N.Bne does a bit more.Jet* and Tiger (what has been proposed)with no overnights will mean you drive back and forth to work everyday.(adds to overall tiredness as we all don't live beside the airport)You cannot have everything.There is give and take.
What it comes down to in my humble opinion is how much you want to live in Aus.For that you work fairly hard(LCC) but you have clean air ,open space and an enviroment you are used to.Overseas has advantages,in some cases more money or better conditions,progression,becoming culturally more aware etc..-what it comes down to is what is important to you as an individual and how much you are willing to sacrifice for it.No where is perfect.I came back from O/S to work for one of the LCC in Aus.The reason why I am back overseas is because I think that Aus provides the best lifestyle in the world but working for J* or VB and maybe Tiger will not allow you to enjoy this lifestyle over a longer period as it is extremely hard to sustain this sort of flying and not getting fatigued in the long term.Just my experience and I fully appreciate that people may disagree.
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Vb Mel base does lot less than 15 O/N.Bne does a bit more.Jet* and Tiger (what has been proposed)with no overnights will mean you drive back and forth to work everyday.(adds to overall tiredness as we all don't live beside the airport)You cannot have everything.There is give and take.
What it comes down to in my humble opinion is how much you want to live in Aus.For that you work fairly hard(LCC) but you have clean air ,open space and an enviroment you are used to.Overseas has advantages,in some cases more money or better conditions,progression,becoming culturally more aware etc..-what it comes down to is what is important to you as an individual and how much you are willing to sacrifice for it.No where is perfect.I came back from O/S to work for one of the LCC in Aus.The reason why I am back overseas is because I think that Aus provides the best lifestyle in the world but working for J* or VB and maybe Tiger will not allow you to enjoy this lifestyle over a longer period as it is extremely hard to sustain this sort of flying and not getting fatigued in the long term.Just my experience and I fully appreciate that people may disagree.
Cheers
Cocoblue.
Spot on, its all totally give and take. Every job now has its compromise. Just getting back to my pointy about how hard people in the corporate worl work to earn $180k and why we as pilots should be any different (god I wish we were. Same about your point reference no overninghts means driving to work every day - well that uts us in with 98% of the general workforce. Pretty normal thing to do.
Trev
Spot on, its all totally give and take. Every job now has its compromise. Just getting back to my pointy about how hard people in the corporate worl work to earn $180k and why we as pilots should be any different (god I wish we were. Same about your point reference no overninghts means driving to work every day - well that uts us in with 98% of the general workforce. Pretty normal thing to do.
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Dear Trev,
With all due respect to the general work force, if we make a mistake because we are tired we could wipe out up to 400 people. If you make a mistake then you’ve got too many toasters to sell. Not the same really!!
Regards
Jb
With all due respect to the general work force, if we make a mistake because we are tired we could wipe out up to 400 people. If you make a mistake then you’ve got too many toasters to sell. Not the same really!!
Regards
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QUOTE "As for earning $180k per year and working hard. Ask aone out there in different fields who earn that sort of money are they working hard for it - damn right they are. Think I'd rather be earning $180k per yer flying my arse off than earning 60k per year for 50 hour weeks as a senior loans officer with NAB."
POSITION VACANT: Loans officer NAB. Courses available from $100000 dollars, then you we may put you in a position in the outback for a couple of years first, before being considered for city roles.
Please note: No guarantee of Job placement after graduation, and we will be doing medical checks on you every 12months, then every 6 months after 40!!
....Come on...where is the relevance comparing a Pilot to a Loans officer. I mean we may as well include the whole spectrum of Jobs we could compare to, but it's a pointless exercise.
This complete degredation of our Job status really annoys me. We'll never see any improvement in pay/lifestyle with this attitude!
Compare Apples with Apples!!!
POSITION VACANT: Loans officer NAB. Courses available from $100000 dollars, then you we may put you in a position in the outback for a couple of years first, before being considered for city roles.
Please note: No guarantee of Job placement after graduation, and we will be doing medical checks on you every 12months, then every 6 months after 40!!
....Come on...where is the relevance comparing a Pilot to a Loans officer. I mean we may as well include the whole spectrum of Jobs we could compare to, but it's a pointless exercise.
This complete degredation of our Job status really annoys me. We'll never see any improvement in pay/lifestyle with this attitude!
Compare Apples with Apples!!!
Geez Trev...........
You got to the 'bottom' of the problem pretty well with Trev's views about the options available at Virgin, Jet*, Qantas, Easterns and Sunnies right now.
And as the 'tent at Kurnell' option also seems to be a no-goer for you, then you'd better get your application in quick smart pronto with your least unpreferred choice I suppose.
You got to the 'bottom' of the problem pretty well with Trev's views about the options available at Virgin, Jet*, Qantas, Easterns and Sunnies right now.
And as the 'tent at Kurnell' option also seems to be a no-goer for you, then you'd better get your application in quick smart pronto with your least unpreferred choice I suppose.
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POSITION VACANT: Loans officer NAB. Courses available from $100000 dollars,
then you we may put you in a position in the outback for a couple of years first, before being considered for city roles.
And for way longer than a couple of years.
And in conditions that are nowhere near those of a pilot
And they earn less
And until very recently there was no guarantee of a job on graduation.
And graduation took at least 4 years full time study to achieve. With not too many fun activities (and I assume the fun of flying is where most pilots start) included.
Please, whilst I respect what pilots do let's not overblow it.
and we will be doing medical checks on you every 12months, then every 6 months after 40!!
Side benefit - your health should be much better than that of the average Joe who has no such motivation.
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Jackson,
"With all due respect to the general work force, if we make a mistake because we are tired we could wipe out up to 400 people. If you make a mistake then you’ve got too many toasters to sell. Not the same really!!"
Thats why pilots have flight and duty limits and bank clerks dont.
What does flight safety have to do with salary?
"With all due respect to the general work force, if we make a mistake because we are tired we could wipe out up to 400 people. If you make a mistake then you’ve got too many toasters to sell. Not the same really!!"
Thats why pilots have flight and duty limits and bank clerks dont.
What does flight safety have to do with salary?
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Romulus....Get with the program buddy!!
Like I said, we shouldn't be comparing other jobs!!
Oh, and it took me 19 years to get to the left seat of a widebody!!
Lets see where your graduates are, after 19 years!
I guess (hope) you're not a pilot.....and yes, there were fun times, but also some bloody hard and scary flights during my career, as would be the case with all experienced Pilots.
You IDIOT
Like I said, we shouldn't be comparing other jobs!!
Oh, and it took me 19 years to get to the left seat of a widebody!!
Lets see where your graduates are, after 19 years!
I guess (hope) you're not a pilot.....and yes, there were fun times, but also some bloody hard and scary flights during my career, as would be the case with all experienced Pilots.
You IDIOT
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Evyjet
So you did some time in the territory at some aboriginal settlement - now you should earn $200k for not much work??!!
I loved my Territory time - and I don't think that automatically entitles me to earn a ****eload of cash for working 12 days a month or whatever you think you should do.
Your attitude seems to be "I am a pilot, I worked hard to get here, the rest of you should bow and scrape to me."
My attitude is "I am a pilot, I love my job, I get to read the paper in my office, and $180k is more than I ever thought I would earn."
Please note - I HAVE NOT CALLED YOU AN IDIOT JUST BECAUSE MY ATTITUDE DIFFERS TO YOURS. Do you need to call people with differing opinions idiots?
So you did some time in the territory at some aboriginal settlement - now you should earn $200k for not much work??!!
I loved my Territory time - and I don't think that automatically entitles me to earn a ****eload of cash for working 12 days a month or whatever you think you should do.
Your attitude seems to be "I am a pilot, I worked hard to get here, the rest of you should bow and scrape to me."
My attitude is "I am a pilot, I love my job, I get to read the paper in my office, and $180k is more than I ever thought I would earn."
Please note - I HAVE NOT CALLED YOU AN IDIOT JUST BECAUSE MY ATTITUDE DIFFERS TO YOURS. Do you need to call people with differing opinions idiots?
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Gentlemen,
I have to agree with cocoblue and other lifestyle orientated fellows. I'm presently a 747-400 captain flying around the world and putting everything else aside, the money at Tiger is sufficient for me to return to Oz on the A320 and spend some time with my children while they are still young. The long haul lifestyle simply flogs me to death and the prospect of driving to and from work each day and spending each night in my home, in my bed and able to pat my dog fills me with joy. I expect to work hard but after 13 years in the military, it's nothing, however they roster me. It simply cannot be worse than KA! Tiger is not going to be for everyone but the sort of lifestyle that was enjoyed by people at AN before the collapse is simply not to be found anywhere these days, only enjoyed by people who happen to be employed by the legacy carriers such as QF. I feel that this is because of the encrouchment of the LCC and if you don't think the dynamic has dramatically changed in terms of increased productivity for a reduced cost you probably need to think again and accept the reality of the new(ish) environment. I believe it all comes down to what you want at a particular point in your career. If money is what you want, there are jobs out there that pay more but everything comes at a cost. There used to be a perfect job and for me in terms of lifestyle that was AN, but it has long gone. Whether some other job is better, who's to say but life has reluctantly taught me to make decisions upon the facts now and your priorities now, not what they may be at some indeterminant point in the future.
I have to agree with cocoblue and other lifestyle orientated fellows. I'm presently a 747-400 captain flying around the world and putting everything else aside, the money at Tiger is sufficient for me to return to Oz on the A320 and spend some time with my children while they are still young. The long haul lifestyle simply flogs me to death and the prospect of driving to and from work each day and spending each night in my home, in my bed and able to pat my dog fills me with joy. I expect to work hard but after 13 years in the military, it's nothing, however they roster me. It simply cannot be worse than KA! Tiger is not going to be for everyone but the sort of lifestyle that was enjoyed by people at AN before the collapse is simply not to be found anywhere these days, only enjoyed by people who happen to be employed by the legacy carriers such as QF. I feel that this is because of the encrouchment of the LCC and if you don't think the dynamic has dramatically changed in terms of increased productivity for a reduced cost you probably need to think again and accept the reality of the new(ish) environment. I believe it all comes down to what you want at a particular point in your career. If money is what you want, there are jobs out there that pay more but everything comes at a cost. There used to be a perfect job and for me in terms of lifestyle that was AN, but it has long gone. Whether some other job is better, who's to say but life has reluctantly taught me to make decisions upon the facts now and your priorities now, not what they may be at some indeterminant point in the future.
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Romulus,
Had to reply to your post. I fly 744 for an overseas carrier (with some of the best T&C). I'm in BKK having just got back to the hotel after a great meal with crew and friends. I sat through the meal whilst someone told me how well I was paid, how wonderful my terms and conditions were and how much time off I have. To be honest, he was quite correct but I then explained what was really entailed.
For example, I've been away from home and family now for 13 days, back home in 3. In that time I've had 8 overnight sectors of 8 hours or more. (so that's 8 nights with minimal sleep in the last fortnight) and 5 sectors with a time change of 6+hrs. This kind of rotation is is typical of longhaul operations and leaves you completely shagged.
The point I'm trying to make is; the pay, terms and conditions may well appear very generous, but sit back and have a thought about the price you pay to achieve them. Sometimes it doesn't seem quite so great.
Had to reply to your post. I fly 744 for an overseas carrier (with some of the best T&C). I'm in BKK having just got back to the hotel after a great meal with crew and friends. I sat through the meal whilst someone told me how well I was paid, how wonderful my terms and conditions were and how much time off I have. To be honest, he was quite correct but I then explained what was really entailed.
For example, I've been away from home and family now for 13 days, back home in 3. In that time I've had 8 overnight sectors of 8 hours or more. (so that's 8 nights with minimal sleep in the last fortnight) and 5 sectors with a time change of 6+hrs. This kind of rotation is is typical of longhaul operations and leaves you completely shagged.
The point I'm trying to make is; the pay, terms and conditions may well appear very generous, but sit back and have a thought about the price you pay to achieve them. Sometimes it doesn't seem quite so great.
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Facts post covers it all. You have to make the decision, and one can only agree that to have the family circle around makes life so much better. Great conditions overseas without the family is pretty worthless in my opinion.
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Is that you st*ll b&rn?
Re facts only; Is that you st*ll b&rn? Must be, as you went to KA freighters to help start up the operation
Having set up this low paying operation you now leave again. Just the facts please.
Having set up this low paying operation you now leave again. Just the facts please.
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aye carumba, another thread filled with so much, er ..............., mmmmmmm, yeah, anyway, I hear November 23rd is the day, 5 initial jets, 50 (??) within 3 years and counting.
Not sure who is going to drive them and I'm not even sure what they are offering to do so, all I do know is that the skygods in Orange Star land believed the bogus contract leaked to them hook line and sinker and so endeth the EBA negotiations.
I hope Tiger make a go of it and I do hope it provides the jobs, opportunities and prosperity that should go along with its success.
Yes it probably will come down to the deepest pockets and if so, then would the last person to leave Bourke Street please turn off the lights.
Not sure who is going to drive them and I'm not even sure what they are offering to do so, all I do know is that the skygods in Orange Star land believed the bogus contract leaked to them hook line and sinker and so endeth the EBA negotiations.
I hope Tiger make a go of it and I do hope it provides the jobs, opportunities and prosperity that should go along with its success.
Yes it probably will come down to the deepest pockets and if so, then would the last person to leave Bourke Street please turn off the lights.
