Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
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Cartexchange, I never said AKL-LAX wasn't a night sector, what I said was that it wasn't a LONG RANGE sector and hence does not require horizontal rest.
I guess it could end up being more than 14hrs TOD on the A330 depending on the time of year, but my point was that out of the 4 sectors involved in the dispensation, there was only one NIGHT sector that needed horizontal rest due to it being LONG RANGE.
There are plenty of long night sectors that are not long range and don't require horizontal rest, eg. HNL-SYD (Yeah I know, not anymore, but that's how I remember it), BOM-SYD, FRA-SIN.
I guess it could end up being more than 14hrs TOD on the A330 depending on the time of year, but my point was that out of the 4 sectors involved in the dispensation, there was only one NIGHT sector that needed horizontal rest due to it being LONG RANGE.
There are plenty of long night sectors that are not long range and don't require horizontal rest, eg. HNL-SYD (Yeah I know, not anymore, but that's how I remember it), BOM-SYD, FRA-SIN.
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Cartexchage..Misquote
I Did back to back AKL/LAX/AKL for threes years.
I did NOT say that they were sought after trips.
You did not elect MM to his current position by yourself.
I did NOT say that they were sought after trips.
You did not elect MM to his current position by yourself.
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Guardian,
For the record I was one of the many who voted for MM & Co. to make the necessary changes and was well pleased in 04 when we achieved a good eba without using industrial action despite the companys appalling attitude to us by training strike breakers in the dead of night so apparently according to your narrow minded self I voted out my mates.
Ny....Ny....Ny..........now let me think about that 
Ny Ny Guardian.....sleep well......what was your number again?
For the record I was one of the many who voted for MM & Co. to make the necessary changes and was well pleased in 04 when we achieved a good eba without using industrial action despite the companys appalling attitude to us by training strike breakers in the dead of night so apparently according to your narrow minded self I voted out my mates.
Indeed it will, Schlonghaul, but rest assured you will not fall into the thinking category, nor will your mates who were thrown out ny the membership in humiliation in 2003/2004.
Ny Ny Guardian.....sleep well......what was your number again?
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Neuron Sharing
RedTBar,Cartexchange and Schlonghaul play a game called share the neuron.
Between the three of them they have one neuron.Whoever is at home has the neuron.
Sometimes one of them will forget to leave it at home and take it away on a trip leaving the two left at home without a neuron between them.
As you can see RedTbar is away and taken the neuron with him.
Hence the innanity of the posts made by Cartex and Schlong.
Between the three of them they have one neuron.Whoever is at home has the neuron.
Sometimes one of them will forget to leave it at home and take it away on a trip leaving the two left at home without a neuron between them.
As you can see RedTbar is away and taken the neuron with him.
Hence the innanity of the posts made by Cartex and Schlong.
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So, lets now get down to the nitty gritty,
four seats have been enhanced and curtained off! and I presume 2 of them are outside normal seats. NOT good enough!
So who is going to sit in the "Good seats" why not allocate a row of business seats, they did this on the LHR sectors for a while, remember they curtained off the last row.
Come on FAAA goon squad, why couldn't you get a better deal, too busy stuffing doughnuts into you mouths.
You guys have really stuffed up on this one, you could have done it better, I have such little faith in your negotiating skills now.
Anyway what did the Techies negotiate on this one? i bet they have been able to organise room service on this sector
four seats have been enhanced and curtained off! and I presume 2 of them are outside normal seats. NOT good enough!
So who is going to sit in the "Good seats" why not allocate a row of business seats, they did this on the LHR sectors for a while, remember they curtained off the last row.
Come on FAAA goon squad, why couldn't you get a better deal, too busy stuffing doughnuts into you mouths.
You guys have really stuffed up on this one, you could have done it better, I have such little faith in your negotiating skills now.
Anyway what did the Techies negotiate on this one? i bet they have been able to organise room service on this sector
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OK time out people………
This as with most matters of livelihood will be emotive but if this name calling continues all that will be achieved will be the thread being banned.
One person is being bagged by pro union people and he isn’t even here or made a post on this subject.
I guess that the company and some in the union would like this thread to be banned so that they are no longer criticised.However,many crew who post here do not want that.
The problem here on PPrune is that we have crew that are worried about their conditions and we have the union officials who believe that they should be trusted.
We also have some here that represent the company but we all know who they are and what they are going to say so they are irrelevant to the debate.
The problem is that both the company and the union do not believe in any transparency in their dealings and only inform the crew once a ‘deal’ has been completed.
Even if the crew are given a vote they can only receive information from the company and the union so it becomes a fait accompli.
Even the union should understand how the rumours start given this.How many times have we heard that communication is the best way to avoid problems in the first place.
The dispensation given by the union is not for a single event but instead for a number of years especially when you consider that the next generation replacement aircraft ordered has not even made a single test flight and maybe years away.
There was also no mention in the newsletter about alternatives for crew rest.What arrangement has the company and the tech crew union arrived at for their members?
You would expect therefore that any dispensation given to the company for that length of time would be recognized by the company in it’s negotiations with something substantial.
The FAAA has literally painted itself into a corner with this and any other dispensations and will be expected by the crew to provide an agreement that they will find attractive.
The ball as I said before is in the FAAA’s court and crew will be expecting a solid result in return.
This as with most matters of livelihood will be emotive but if this name calling continues all that will be achieved will be the thread being banned.
One person is being bagged by pro union people and he isn’t even here or made a post on this subject.
I guess that the company and some in the union would like this thread to be banned so that they are no longer criticised.However,many crew who post here do not want that.
The problem here on PPrune is that we have crew that are worried about their conditions and we have the union officials who believe that they should be trusted.
We also have some here that represent the company but we all know who they are and what they are going to say so they are irrelevant to the debate.
The problem is that both the company and the union do not believe in any transparency in their dealings and only inform the crew once a ‘deal’ has been completed.
Even if the crew are given a vote they can only receive information from the company and the union so it becomes a fait accompli.
Even the union should understand how the rumours start given this.How many times have we heard that communication is the best way to avoid problems in the first place.
The dispensation given by the union is not for a single event but instead for a number of years especially when you consider that the next generation replacement aircraft ordered has not even made a single test flight and maybe years away.
There was also no mention in the newsletter about alternatives for crew rest.What arrangement has the company and the tech crew union arrived at for their members?
You would expect therefore that any dispensation given to the company for that length of time would be recognized by the company in it’s negotiations with something substantial.
The FAAA has literally painted itself into a corner with this and any other dispensations and will be expected by the crew to provide an agreement that they will find attractive.
The ball as I said before is in the FAAA’s court and crew will be expecting a solid result in return.
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Originally Posted by cartexchange
four seats have been enhanced and curtained off! and I presume 2 of them are outside normal seats. NOT good enough!
So who is going to sit in the "Good seats" why not allocate a row of business seats, they did this on the LHR sectors for a while, remember they curtained off the last row.
So who is going to sit in the "Good seats" why not allocate a row of business seats, they did this on the LHR sectors for a while, remember they curtained off the last row.
You certainly don't read my posts properly.
There are still only 4 crew rest seats plus the high comfort seat, as per the current A330-300. The difference is they are using the space that 6 seats takes to give them more pitch and recline.
As for curtaining off 4 business class seats for crew, you really are dreaming if you think anyone could negotiate such a loss in revenue for crew rest these days.
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Twiggs,Why do you want to continue the arguement?
Let it rest girl,I have even after reading the last page or so.If it goes on the same way we'll get banned.Lobey is right and even if I don't want to give anything more to the company.I'll wait and see if it gets us anywhere before I say my two bobs worth.
Let it rest girl,I have even after reading the last page or so.If it goes on the same way we'll get banned.Lobey is right and even if I don't want to give anything more to the company.I'll wait and see if it gets us anywhere before I say my two bobs worth.
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I'm not the one arguing TBar, just clarifying what Cartex and friends do not understand.
If you don't want the facts out there, then you lot are the ones to be suspicious of.
If you don't want the facts out there, then you lot are the ones to be suspicious of.
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youre right twiggs I did misreade it! its even worse that I thought.
4 seats for 10 crew......farking great.
so time off divided by three lots and its a long range sector with no horizontal rest............this gets better and better
4 seats for 10 crew......farking great.
so time off divided by three lots and its a long range sector with no horizontal rest............this gets better and better
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I guess you mean crew when you say 'You Lot'.Facts depend on what side of the fence you are on so most of us here know yours.
You were continueing the arguement and only want to cause trouble by getting someone to reply.
Lobey is right
Cart,Don't bother with the company rep here and just wait.If the faaa has screwed up then they will hang themselves.As Schlonghaul said time will tell.
Don't take her bait because she just wants to get us banned.She doesn't want anyone to have a go at the company or the award they are working on with the faaa.
If you don't want the facts out there, then you lot are the ones to be suspicious of.
You were continueing the arguement and only want to cause trouble by getting someone to reply.
Lobey is right
We also have some here that represent the company but we all know who they are and what they are going to say so they are irrelevant to the debate.
Don't take her bait because she just wants to get us banned.She doesn't want anyone to have a go at the company or the award they are working on with the faaa.
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yes I do fly it twiggsy, do you call that seat at R1 a comfortable and adequate seat for rest with a screaming toilet outside it !then there is no use you or I continuing this.
Why is it so wrong to want my fellow colleagues to have a decent and adequate rest in order to combat fatigue?
My aim is to improve our conditions NOT to erode them or give them away.
Why is it so wrong to want my fellow colleagues to have a decent and adequate rest in order to combat fatigue?
My aim is to improve our conditions NOT to erode them or give them away.
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On another subject did anyone hear how much of a bonus GD got in the way of shares at the AGM?
He really would want the shares to go up now.
Did anyone go to the AGM?
I thought that there was a group that was going to ask him some tricky questions?
He really would want the shares to go up now.
Did anyone go to the AGM?
I thought that there was a group that was going to ask him some tricky questions?
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Like I said, we are not giving anything away, this is just a dispensation.
The seating on the 200 will be the same as the 300 with more room.
The location of the high comfort seat may not be the same, but we have always had crew rest near toilets so nothing new there.
There is nothing wrong with you wanting adequate rest for us all, just don't claim that the situation is worse than the one we already have on the airbus.
The seating on the 200 will be the same as the 300 with more room.
The location of the high comfort seat may not be the same, but we have always had crew rest near toilets so nothing new there.
There is nothing wrong with you wanting adequate rest for us all, just don't claim that the situation is worse than the one we already have on the airbus.
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The game continues
The one with the neuron has returned home and is now sharing it with the other two.
One neuron..three ahem...people.....no wonder the posts are assinine.
Joining dates..may august november 2005.
Same.... ahem...person...3 different user names...Paul you are naughty
One neuron..three ahem...people.....no wonder the posts are assinine.
Joining dates..may august november 2005.
Same.... ahem...person...3 different user names...Paul you are naughty
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I go out to have a nice lunch and a wine or two and when I come back I see that the usual culprits are doing their best to start fights again.......
Travel Thickness....I suggest that you learn how to use spell checker before your next post.I'm glad though that you know what a neuron is.
It is asinine not assinine.....Perhaps that was a Freudian slip though.....
It is inanity not innanity.... and that is probably another Freudian slip as well.
Somethings never change and it's probably because you work with Twiggs.
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Travel Thickness....I suggest that you learn how to use spell checker before your next post.I'm glad though that you know what a neuron is.
It is asinine not assinine.....Perhaps that was a Freudian slip though.....
It is inanity not innanity.... and that is probably another Freudian slip as well.
Somethings never change and it's probably because you work with Twiggs.
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Travel Thickness......
If you insist but how do you explain innanity ?
The sir doth protest too much, methinks.
Looking at your keen investigative mind TT and seeing that you are able to deduce that 3 people are in fact one.This based on the simple fact that they all joined PPrune in the one year shows your brilliance.
Therefore someone with your undoubted abilities I believe would most likely be in the office.
I'm not too sure about Paul but Richard perhaps?
It was not a spelling mistake..it was deliberate...ASSinine.
I dont work with Twiggs.
Looking at your keen investigative mind TT and seeing that you are able to deduce that 3 people are in fact one.This based on the simple fact that they all joined PPrune in the one year shows your brilliance.
Therefore someone with your undoubted abilities I believe would most likely be in the office.
I'm not too sure about Paul but Richard perhaps?
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lower lobe's comments are welcome and valid, he may be retired but at least he is still concerned about our conditions, much more that you are trav thick.
After all this is a forum where people express their concerns and ideas and the FAAA goon squad try and censor it
After all this is a forum where people express their concerns and ideas and the FAAA goon squad try and censor it