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I also think that the level of "engagement" when the pay freeze happened was pretty good. Once that pay freeze was not recognized later, that is when the level of engagement plummeted.
they got 3 points towards their grading system
4 points equals $80
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Never before have I seen such a diverse group of people be so happy to repeatedly thrust a knife up into the cow whilst laying back suckling on a back teat.
M.P.
M.P.
I completely agree with Managers Perspective - Only the people who are thrusting the knives up the cow are management, and the people who are suckling on a teat are also management.
The cow is made up of the hard working staff, who plan to still be here 20, 30, 40 years from now. They are the people who management sponge off, they are the people who have given QF its famous claim to safety and they people who have built its proud reputation.
They are also the people who will have to rebuild its reputation once the current management have finished raping the cow, and taken their short term gains.
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aircraft said:
Aircraft, we are not the ones that have made the mistakes - d**khead. 
Actually, that option would have to be the most tried and true method known to humanity for dealing with some unpleasant reality - shed a few tears, learn from your mistakes, then move on.
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Actually aircraft is correct.
When things are going well,it is because we are so lucky to have far sighted management leading us.
If things go bad it's because the employees did something wrong and it could never be the fault of management.
The people in suits could never be wrong and all you have to do is mention Rodney Adler,Ray Williams,Bond Corp,Christopher Skase,One Tel..uhhh ..what..ohhh..sorry fell asleep
When things are going well,it is because we are so lucky to have far sighted management leading us.
If things go bad it's because the employees did something wrong and it could never be the fault of management.
The people in suits could never be wrong and all you have to do is mention Rodney Adler,Ray Williams,Bond Corp,Christopher Skase,One Tel..uhhh ..what..ohhh..sorry fell asleep
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Drinking at the well
I heard an interesting quote the other day attributed to former St George Rugby league coach Harry Bath , he said
"Those that drink at the well should never forget those that built the well "
it struck me as a simple piece of homespun philosophy but it shook me to the core in how true it is.
FOG
"Those that drink at the well should never forget those that built the well "
it struck me as a simple piece of homespun philosophy but it shook me to the core in how true it is.
FOG
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All this negativity, and they haven't even informed you guys yet that the checks on the A380 will all be done in Singapore.
The line maintenance in Australia will all be done under the new licence system.
So, time to sit up straight boys.
Don't miss that training bus....
M.P.
Oooops late edit for a typo. Hmmmm people in glass houses again!
The line maintenance in Australia will all be done under the new licence system.
So, time to sit up straight boys.
Don't miss that training bus....
M.P.
Oooops late edit for a typo. Hmmmm people in glass houses again!
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After all accident's do happen. 
And it's spelt negativity smarta
e. Quick there's still time to change it! 
Big Unit said:
I knew somebody would misunderstand this. Actually, in this context (coming to terms with something, then moving on) it is you that has made the mistakes. And, "moving on" doesn't necessarily mean leaving Qantas - it just means "putting it all behind you".
The "mistakes" were things like believing you would always be cosy and comfortable at Qantas.
This option 1, is all about coming to terms with an unpleasant fact, shedding the tears, then getting positive and putting it all behind you.
Aircraft, we are not the ones that have made the mistakes ...
The "mistakes" were things like believing you would always be cosy and comfortable at Qantas.
This option 1, is all about coming to terms with an unpleasant fact, shedding the tears, then getting positive and putting it all behind you.
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In the future we'll have an airline of space cadets..trained to live at home with mummy and wearing cardigans whilst believing that they're the best pilots in the world, working for the best airline in the world...
Shall I remind you how quickly an airline could fall over....Narita....oh sorry that one hasn't come out yet...or has it
A rumour is not a rumour if it doesn't go away....
Stop complaining about your precious conditions, lack of commands and get on with the job...
So many other pilots in Australia would trade their conditions for those of a Sky God....stop whinging
Shall I remind you how quickly an airline could fall over....Narita....oh sorry that one hasn't come out yet...or has it
A rumour is not a rumour if it doesn't go away....
Stop complaining about your precious conditions, lack of commands and get on with the job...
So many other pilots in Australia would trade their conditions for those of a Sky God....stop whinging
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A few observations,
Ron ....you are living in the 70's..get with the program.
Mangled Perspective...wolfman is right,you said you don't work for QF but you seem to know something about training and maintenance on the 380.
aircraft..I suggest you re read your own posts.YOU did say get over your mistakes....
We are talking about the mistakes from higher up.The only mistake we are making is to listen to someone like you.It certainly appears as though some here do work for the company and want to divert attention from things like this thread and that is lack of morale.
Could it be that the WHOLE workforce is at fault and introspective or could it be the few in positions of authority?
Then again as with our delightful PM you just don't understand do you.
Ron ....you are living in the 70's..get with the program.
Mangled Perspective...wolfman is right,you said you don't work for QF but you seem to know something about training and maintenance on the 380.
aircraft..I suggest you re read your own posts.YOU did say get over your mistakes....
We are talking about the mistakes from higher up.The only mistake we are making is to listen to someone like you.It certainly appears as though some here do work for the company and want to divert attention from things like this thread and that is lack of morale.
Could it be that the WHOLE workforce is at fault and introspective or could it be the few in positions of authority?
Then again as with our delightful PM you just don't understand do you.
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look forward
seeing the A380 serviced in asia. that means the 747's are going to be around for a long time. given the history of any aircraft so far serviced in sin it is a feast for the media. let alone the extra time frame and cost associated with all the stuff ups. good one, DC
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Shall I remind you how quickly an airline could fall over....Narita....oh sorry that one hasn't come out yet...or has it
Say what willis? ?
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All this negativity, and they haven't even informed you guys yet that the checks on the A380 will all be done in Singapore.
The line maintenance in Australia will all be done under the new licence system.
The line maintenance in Australia will all be done under the new licence system.
SQ and EK have completed their License training on the A380 where QF have done nil and is yet to decide who is going to do their maint...
as none of the current managers (except 1) in ACS have any operational experience, let alone the experience of introducing a new type to the international fleet.So it would look like SQ being ready to do maint on the A380 would be the logical choice to handle the QF aircraft maintenance and/or transits in SIN.
Currently SIA handle 1 or 2 QF transits a day in Singapore.
The stats on this is engineering delays run at 3 times the rate of the QF handled transits.
Delays have a known cost so I am guessing the handling contract for the A380 could involve penalties for avoidable delays which could return or credit some of the cost back to QF engineering.
I am sure it will look great on paper..... as QF have tried before to farm out minor maintenance only to be bitten hard,
Time will tell...
Shall I remind you how quickly an airline could fall over....Narita....oh sorry that one hasn't come out yet...or has it
JAL is looking very shakey as the airline needs a new fleet successive boards have resigned over the airlines current state.
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Delays have a known cost so I am guessing the handling contract for the A380 could involve penalties for avoidable delays which could return or credit some of the cost back to QF engineering.
In reality, you have the squabble but you never get much back.
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New Australian Heavy Maintenance Facility ?
Two current Qantas Execs are looking at setting up a heavy maintenance facility to do all QFs work.
A conflict of interest...yes... .immoral.....definitely.
Illegal...only if they get caught.
It will be private company with a convoluted ownership structure so it will be impossible to determine who owns it.
Call it corporate limbo...how low can you go?
A conflict of interest...yes... .immoral.....definitely.
Illegal...only if they get caught.
It will be private company with a convoluted ownership structure so it will be impossible to determine who owns it.
Call it corporate limbo...how low can you go?