Qantas Maintenance Story On Ch.7
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SP you are the man
DC is a F##king liar.
The 747 fleet QF are flying are a disgrace
If you were ex heavy you would be pissed at DC's last comment
Way to go dave, Not only do you sack people, you bury the knife
after the fact.
Maybe people should go straight to the media with there airworthyness
concerns as engineering management dont care. Come to think
of it CASA dont seem to give two ****s either.
Qf the new GARUDA
Well Done Guys , big up yourself Dave
How to undo 80 years of QF engineering pride
DC is a F##king liar.
The 747 fleet QF are flying are a disgrace
If you were ex heavy you would be pissed at DC's last comment
Way to go dave, Not only do you sack people, you bury the knife
after the fact.
Maybe people should go straight to the media with there airworthyness
concerns as engineering management dont care. Come to think
of it CASA dont seem to give two ****s either.
Qf the new GARUDA
Well Done Guys , big up yourself Dave
How to undo 80 years of QF engineering pride
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,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,one had to laugh (can only be funny if not deadly serious)..DC said in answer to the Q maker words to the effect 'that nobody is perfect' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (with regard to the dodgey elect repair)....................Jesus that might be ok where yr shirt might not fit exactly but an A/C carrying hundereds !!!!!!!!!!!!, they have to get it right, the first time & every time in order to have any semblence of credability never lone safety !!!!.......... GOD QF have hit an all time low....................sadly we Aussies will pay for it with dwindling respect from other countries!
It's academic if CH 7 don't have all the facts correct, it's obvious that this is old news to some. It could take just one bolt (albiet a crytical one) to bring down a plane, C150 or otherwise. With todays litigatious world I doubt CH 7 are far from the truth on this one !
Capt Wally, now greatful I won't be going down with the sinking QF ship !
It's academic if CH 7 don't have all the facts correct, it's obvious that this is old news to some. It could take just one bolt (albiet a crytical one) to bring down a plane, C150 or otherwise. With todays litigatious world I doubt CH 7 are far from the truth on this one !
Capt Wally, now greatful I won't be going down with the sinking QF ship !
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The full 13 minute program can be viewed online here-
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/
Quote from DC, "Qantas's [engineering] standards are as high as they have ever been"
What a f#@king joke!!!!!
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/
Quote from DC, "Qantas's [engineering] standards are as high as they have ever been"
What a f#@king joke!!!!!
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Selling Out
Being more of an ABC- Four Corners Fan when it comes to Consumer Affair programs i thought that TT and Channel Seven did a good job. They had some good evidence to support their claims along with Qantas's own whistle blower. Having spent some time working on the ground at Sydney Airport, i have seen the great work that has been done by the QF engineers. Unfortunetly in this day and age with Big companies looking for a bees dick of a reason to cut costs it has resulted in the move OS at the expense of jobs and future jobs for many Australians. With some cloud around wether our trusty southern pacific freinds can do a job in as high regard as the well established Heavy Jet Maint in Syd highlighted in their report. I feel that the real issue is Aussie Jobs been moved overseas to cope with the so called "expanding airline" where they are cutting costs and canning hundreds of hard working aussies out of jobs that have been a lifestyle among some memebers of our community. What is this effect goin to have on any kids goin through school that wish to become LAME on big jets. Doesnt Dixon or who ever see that this is all goin to crumble before the concrete can set
. Its clear that Qantas dont give a flying hoot about Australians well being at all. Not suggesting that our good friends in the S.E asian cannot maintain them to the standard. But Qantas is destroying the one thing that holds its reputation (or held) up. The fact that is is an Australian Airline and run by the people of Australia. All this growth and BS is just resulting in less Aussies working for Qantas and no foundations for our younger generation to keep it that way.
. Its clear that Qantas dont give a flying hoot about Australians well being at all. Not suggesting that our good friends in the S.E asian cannot maintain them to the standard. But Qantas is destroying the one thing that holds its reputation (or held) up. The fact that is is an Australian Airline and run by the people of Australia. All this growth and BS is just resulting in less Aussies working for Qantas and no foundations for our younger generation to keep it that way.
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Do we really believe DC when he says that he says he doesn't know anything about this stapling incident?
Surely he would have seen the report, form 500 or some other documentation at least so he was forewarned for the interview.
If he hasn't he is stupid, if he has he is a liar.
Why deny it? Why not state yes we found this and it is not very good and we are making amends to fix the problem.
I am embarrassed that he is the head of engineering. It would be nice if they put an engineer as the head of engineering. What is his background anyway.
I think Arthur Baird would be turning his grave
Surely he would have seen the report, form 500 or some other documentation at least so he was forewarned for the interview.
If he hasn't he is stupid, if he has he is a liar.
Why deny it? Why not state yes we found this and it is not very good and we are making amends to fix the problem.
I am embarrassed that he is the head of engineering. It would be nice if they put an engineer as the head of engineering. What is his background anyway.
I think Arthur Baird would be turning his grave
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Well done Steve
I have just viewed the report online, and would like to congratulate all invoved on a job well done. The travelling public and shareholders need to see it as it is.
I have worked in 747 HM, Base Maint, Line Maint, and things are the worst I have seen them in over 20 years.
I am currently working overseas, and everything you see on that report is true. MRO's in Asia use unskilled and illiterate technicians (nothing racist here, the poor buggers are just trying to survive like the rest of us) and LAE's sign off work that is sub standard or not done at all. The C or D check is acquitted and the aircraft is back in service making money.
Unlike Qantas, SIA get rid ot their aircraft before they get too old, and these practices start to present themselves as major incidents.
Those who fly, be scared, very scared, it is only a matter of time.
Finally to GD, DC, and MH you will all have blood on your hands, and I hope (although doubt ) that you will be brought to account for your actions, as some big chiefs in the USA have of late.
Qantas RIP ! ! !
I have worked in 747 HM, Base Maint, Line Maint, and things are the worst I have seen them in over 20 years.
I am currently working overseas, and everything you see on that report is true. MRO's in Asia use unskilled and illiterate technicians (nothing racist here, the poor buggers are just trying to survive like the rest of us) and LAE's sign off work that is sub standard or not done at all. The C or D check is acquitted and the aircraft is back in service making money.
Unlike Qantas, SIA get rid ot their aircraft before they get too old, and these practices start to present themselves as major incidents.
Those who fly, be scared, very scared, it is only a matter of time.
Finally to GD, DC, and MH you will all have blood on your hands, and I hope (although doubt ) that you will be brought to account for your actions, as some big chiefs in the USA have of late.
Qantas RIP ! ! !
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Is it going to take a 747 falling out of the sky before GD and his board of penny pinching stooges realise that Qantas is turing into S**T!
some people just cant see the wood from the trees!
some people just cant see the wood from the trees!
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go hard Steve.
Crushed Passenger I',m not sure how much of QF maintenance operations you have experienced from Grafton but after 20 yrs at the Jet base, the story was credible.
To say Qantas is an unsafe airline is stretching the point but it is definately less safe than it was 5-10 yrs ago and it is all due to management cost cutting and outsourcing many maintenance activities that they used to do in house.
However, you can bet your life that if a serious accident does occur, it will be a pilot or an engineer left holding the can, not MJ,GD or DC.
Crushed Passenger I',m not sure how much of QF maintenance operations you have experienced from Grafton but after 20 yrs at the Jet base, the story was credible.
To say Qantas is an unsafe airline is stretching the point but it is definately less safe than it was 5-10 yrs ago and it is all due to management cost cutting and outsourcing many maintenance activities that they used to do in house.
However, you can bet your life that if a serious accident does occur, it will be a pilot or an engineer left holding the can, not MJ,GD or DC.
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The question that should have been asked of Coxey is:
" The audit report clearly shows that some inspections could not have been carried out correctly if at all due to the timeframes evidenced in the report. Have these checks now been carried out correctly or does QF have aircraft flying around that have not had essential heavy maintenance inspections completed on them”
I would like to know what CASA think about that. I pity the poor bastard in the OF quality department who wrote the report, is career is F*&^%d.
Some one asked about Coxeys past, he has been with QF for years and was a Professional Engineer actual working for a living before he got sucked into the corporate QF bull**** machine and spat at the other end another Darth remote drone.
" The audit report clearly shows that some inspections could not have been carried out correctly if at all due to the timeframes evidenced in the report. Have these checks now been carried out correctly or does QF have aircraft flying around that have not had essential heavy maintenance inspections completed on them”
I would like to know what CASA think about that. I pity the poor bastard in the OF quality department who wrote the report, is career is F*&^%d.
Some one asked about Coxeys past, he has been with QF for years and was a Professional Engineer actual working for a living before he got sucked into the corporate QF bull**** machine and spat at the other end another Darth remote drone.
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well what a surprise tt and sp actually pulled of a masterpiece against dc and qf.thought how great it was to see the smug dc get smacked well and truly in the chops.lets hope there is a follow up story in 55 days time when the next heavy rolls out of singapore.
take the cameras boys and keep the copies of all maintenance issues.
to the asn well done very proffesional
take the cameras boys and keep the copies of all maintenance issues.
to the asn well done very proffesional
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No, let the man speak.
Rather than some smooth talking shyster being wheeled out to "spin" the company line DC decided to handle it all by himself. And I think his conscience got the better of him for all to see.
Hercfix.
Lets hope that DS (QS&RM) sees to it that the report writer is lauded and not lambasted for his honesty, if I am able to judge character I'm confident this will happen although DS himself may cop some heat.
Rather than some smooth talking shyster being wheeled out to "spin" the company line DC decided to handle it all by himself. And I think his conscience got the better of him for all to see.
Hercfix.
Lets hope that DS (QS&RM) sees to it that the report writer is lauded and not lambasted for his honesty, if I am able to judge character I'm confident this will happen although DS himself may cop some heat.
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If sending maintenance OS is such an issue for all the LAME's then why is there a string of LAME's crawling over each other to jump on the gravy train and support these checks in the Philippines,Switzerland,England,USA,Ireland,Singapore and no doubt more to come.
Tidying up after these facilities isn't going to stop them being sent there,it only fuels the situation......and it goes back to the adage "you make your bed you lie in it"
Tidying up after these facilities isn't going to stop them being sent there,it only fuels the situation......and it goes back to the adage "you make your bed you lie in it"
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I loved the way the report quoted "unnamed consultants" and "unnamed sources". Anyhow, if this were completely true, why are SQ planes not falling off the air? And what about the tens of airlines that send their planes to SIAEC for maintenance? Are they stupid? Plus, QF is sending yet another 744 to SIAEC in 2 weeks. Why are they doing so if SIAEC is running (apparently!) such a dangerous operation?
That aside, it is widely known that SIAEC can compete on price because it allocates fixed overhead costs to SIA, and only charges out the variable costs to its clients. From what I understand, SIAEC regularly bids for projects at a cost 25% lower than the other major MRO operator in SIN, Singapore Technologies Aerospace. This, even though SIAEC's cost base is higher (most of it due to the baggage that comes with legacy carriers.)
Plus, SIAEC workers do not earn crap wages. I know of technicians who walk out with S$8000 (which is about A$6500, but remember that a dollar in Singapore buys you what a dollar in Australia buys you and in the not too distant past our currencies were on par) a month including overtime and weekend shifts.
There are also massive tax breaks for MRO companies in SIN, and with a dollar that is now 25% weaker than the AUD, coupled with a company tax rate of 18% (compared to 30% in Australia) and very low personal income tax rates, all things being equal, of course it is cheaper to run an MRO business in Singapore.
SIAEC may not be the most efficient MRO company around, and I can understand how they manage to achieve a relatively low cost base (world wide) but if they really are indulging in unsafe maintenance practices, I would have expected SQ planes to be falling off the sky.
That aside, it is widely known that SIAEC can compete on price because it allocates fixed overhead costs to SIA, and only charges out the variable costs to its clients. From what I understand, SIAEC regularly bids for projects at a cost 25% lower than the other major MRO operator in SIN, Singapore Technologies Aerospace. This, even though SIAEC's cost base is higher (most of it due to the baggage that comes with legacy carriers.)
Plus, SIAEC workers do not earn crap wages. I know of technicians who walk out with S$8000 (which is about A$6500, but remember that a dollar in Singapore buys you what a dollar in Australia buys you and in the not too distant past our currencies were on par) a month including overtime and weekend shifts.
There are also massive tax breaks for MRO companies in SIN, and with a dollar that is now 25% weaker than the AUD, coupled with a company tax rate of 18% (compared to 30% in Australia) and very low personal income tax rates, all things being equal, of course it is cheaper to run an MRO business in Singapore.
SIAEC may not be the most efficient MRO company around, and I can understand how they manage to achieve a relatively low cost base (world wide) but if they really are indulging in unsafe maintenance practices, I would have expected SQ planes to be falling off the sky.
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As an ex Qantas LAME before I took up flying in the sixties, I understand your ire. You are trying hard to protect your livelyhood and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that desire. However I do feel that your predictions of imminent doom of Qantas aircraft falling from the sky due to outsourced maintenance, is sadly misplaced. Thousands of aircraft that are not maintained by god's own, are happily traversing the skies every day of the year without major mishap. Mistakes are made, accidents do happen but very few of them due to maintenance mismanagement. Running scare campaigns in the media will result in two things; people will stop flying Qantas but will happily board Asian or Middle Eastern carriers. Where does that leave you? It will be the end to a lot more Qantas employees than the 450 from heavy maintenance.
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I agree with you Hot Dog.
Its wrong to run a scare campaign against Qantas because it just is. When things aren't done properly the right thing to do would be to turn a bind eye and ignore the problem. Thats what made Qantas a great airline the absolute ignorance of the engineers over many years.
The good news is this readears - D COCKS IS OFF ON STRESS LEAVE.
lets just hope its permanent.
Its wrong to run a scare campaign against Qantas because it just is. When things aren't done properly the right thing to do would be to turn a bind eye and ignore the problem. Thats what made Qantas a great airline the absolute ignorance of the engineers over many years.
The good news is this readears - D COCKS IS OFF ON STRESS LEAVE.
lets just hope its permanent.
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Didn't CASA ground Ansetts entire 767 fleet because of maintenance issues? Perhaps they are waiting for a more auspicious time to do the same to QF, like Christmas. Or maybe not, it's QF after all.