Why are people so unkind to Jet*?
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I believe people would much rather spend their money at their holiday destination rather than their airfare.
Well, I'll be different .... I just did a return to HNL on Jetstar ... admittedly in Star Class ... and I have no complaints.
Friendly staff. On time. Comfortable trip. Edible food. No frights.
I'd do it again, although with QF starting up Premium Economy, there will be some competition for my flying dollar now.
Friendly staff. On time. Comfortable trip. Edible food. No frights.
I'd do it again, although with QF starting up Premium Economy, there will be some competition for my flying dollar now.
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Here's the thing - you simply don't always get a cheaper fare with a low cost carrier.
Try walking up to a jet star counter in the morning and asking how much it will cost for a ticket in the afternoon. Chances are it will be dearer than the Qantas ticket.
Possibly true, and it always pays to shop around, but I think you'll find thats a bit of a steep generalisation. Furthermore you will never see any LCC offering every seat at rock bottom discounts. It'd fall over in a week. The nature of airline economics is there needs to be the higher fares on board to compensate for the lower ones. This applies to an LCC as much as any full-service carrier.
And just as an example for this coming Monday at similar times:
MEL-HBA: JQ $79 @ 0645, QF $222 @ 0835
SYD-CNS: JQ $299 @ 0705, QF $332 @ 0805
OOL-SYD: JQ $159 @ 1200, QF $391 @ 1215
NTL-BNE: JQ $89 @ 1705, QF $189 @ 1615
At the end of the day its all marketing. By spinning off JQ, QF has been able to successfully increase its yield by pitching itself as the sole full service carrier in the country, and charging accordingly. For QF the cream, jam and whole bloody scone is the Cityflier operation. This leaves JQ to make a buck out of the rest, in markets that QF arguably didn't ever make a profit in.
And on the club ...
QF Club numbers shouldn't really change anyway. Members can still (and do, let me assure you) use it when flying JQ. Maybe it's standing room only over at T2
... or even worse they're all in "The Lounge" 
Try walking up to a jet star counter in the morning and asking how much it will cost for a ticket in the afternoon. Chances are it will be dearer than the Qantas ticket.
Possibly true, and it always pays to shop around, but I think you'll find thats a bit of a steep generalisation. Furthermore you will never see any LCC offering every seat at rock bottom discounts. It'd fall over in a week. The nature of airline economics is there needs to be the higher fares on board to compensate for the lower ones. This applies to an LCC as much as any full-service carrier.
And just as an example for this coming Monday at similar times:
MEL-HBA: JQ $79 @ 0645, QF $222 @ 0835
SYD-CNS: JQ $299 @ 0705, QF $332 @ 0805
OOL-SYD: JQ $159 @ 1200, QF $391 @ 1215
NTL-BNE: JQ $89 @ 1705, QF $189 @ 1615
At the end of the day its all marketing. By spinning off JQ, QF has been able to successfully increase its yield by pitching itself as the sole full service carrier in the country, and charging accordingly. For QF the cream, jam and whole bloody scone is the Cityflier operation. This leaves JQ to make a buck out of the rest, in markets that QF arguably didn't ever make a profit in.
And on the club ...
QF Club numbers shouldn't really change anyway. Members can still (and do, let me assure you) use it when flying JQ. Maybe it's standing room only over at T2
... or even worse they're all in "The Lounge"
Last edited by resboy; 13th Jul 2007 at 15:34. Reason: Brainwave
I wanted to go to ADL tomorrow, so sitting in the cafe eating breakfast I just checked flights with Jet Star and Qantas tomorrow.
QF $186.00, Jet Star $279.00, and QF have NO BUSINESS SEATS, and most flights fully booked. As QF has more capacity to ADL than it's bastard son, what does this tell you about the market place ?
That's right - people do prefer quality, and are happy to pay for it.
I Booked Qantas.
Unkind to Jet Star - Yup I sure am I simply won't fly with them, or any other so called low cost carrier - especially at the price of a full safety airline ticket.
QF $186.00, Jet Star $279.00, and QF have NO BUSINESS SEATS, and most flights fully booked. As QF has more capacity to ADL than it's bastard son, what does this tell you about the market place ?
That's right - people do prefer quality, and are happy to pay for it.
I Booked Qantas.
Unkind to Jet Star - Yup I sure am I simply won't fly with them, or any other so called low cost carrier - especially at the price of a full safety
airline ticket.
Last edited by arkmark; 13th Jul 2007 at 22:09.
Maybe Jetstar had only dearer seats available because the cheaper ones were so popular that they sold out !
You can rant and rave about Jetstar , or any other LCC for that matter, as much as you like but the only determinant will be the flying public. If they are happy to buy the cheap seats, they will. When the cheap seats are gone and the price of the seats left is similar to QF's, they again have another choice to make. If they all rush to QF, then the LCC will have to change it's pricing/seating structure to counter that ... and so on and so forth ...
Let the market, including you, decide!
P.S. Have you ever thought that there may be other reasons (than price) that customers choose a LCC over QF?
You can rant and rave about Jetstar , or any other LCC for that matter, as much as you like but the only determinant will be the flying public. If they are happy to buy the cheap seats, they will. When the cheap seats are gone and the price of the seats left is similar to QF's, they again have another choice to make. If they all rush to QF, then the LCC will have to change it's pricing/seating structure to counter that ... and so on and so forth ...
Let the market, including you, decide!
P.S. Have you ever thought that there may be other reasons (than price) that customers choose a LCC over QF?
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In Fairfax papers (The AGE, SMH) blogs section there's a bunch of whingeing Winnie's complaining they could get through to the website for their $1 around the world air fares.
Surely these whingeing Winnie's should realise its competitive for these seats, its a dog eat dog, and most people will miss out.
Surely these whingeing Winnie's should realise its competitive for these seats, its a dog eat dog, and most people will miss out.
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Bula,
You just beat me to it!
Now... anyone for Golf in Bangkok?
Runway, Stopway, Clearway, Fairway?
You just beat me to it!
Now... anyone for Golf in Bangkok?
Runway, Stopway, Clearway, Fairway?
Last edited by Tagneah; 14th Jul 2007 at 01:50. Reason: Spelt Bula's name with 2 L's!
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Question,
what happens when the Legacy Carrier through extensive cost cutting gets it's operating costs down to what the LCC's have achieved?
Don't forget there is a floor to how much you can cut your costs!
A classic pincer move, what happens then?
what happens when the Legacy Carrier through extensive cost cutting gets it's operating costs down to what the LCC's have achieved?
Don't forget there is a floor to how much you can cut your costs!
A classic pincer move, what happens then?
Guys,
I am the travelling public - haven't touched an aircraft for any reason than to consume it's services for a long time now.
I choose not to fly LCC's because I don't like the product.
I particularly don't like Jet Star's product. I think it's cheap and mean.
Call me a twit for calling a low cost carrier less safe than a full cost carrier - I doubt it.
Q. What is the purpose of a LCC? A. To push new frontiers in cost reduction wherever possible with a view to generating more proffit from extreme levels of low yield turnover Q. Is one of the new frontiers maintenance? A. Every cost centre including staff, training, and maintenance Q. How far can the cost cutting go? A. As far as the safety regulator and it's legislation will allow it to go. Q. What happens if the regulator or it's reg's fail ??????????
I don't recall the last time that Qantas was investigated by CASA for having poor culture within it's maintenance department. I do recall the last time it happened to a low cost carrier.
Better safety on a more mature, full service, higher cost airline YOU BET!!
I will think of you guys from the Qantas club lounge today as I eat my can of sardines for breakfast.
I am the travelling public - haven't touched an aircraft for any reason than to consume it's services for a long time now.
I choose not to fly LCC's because I don't like the product.
I particularly don't like Jet Star's product. I think it's cheap and mean.
Call me a twit for calling a low cost carrier less safe than a full cost carrier - I doubt it.
Q. What is the purpose of a LCC? A. To push new frontiers in cost reduction wherever possible with a view to generating more proffit from extreme levels of low yield turnover Q. Is one of the new frontiers maintenance? A. Every cost centre including staff, training, and maintenance Q. How far can the cost cutting go? A. As far as the safety regulator and it's legislation will allow it to go. Q. What happens if the regulator or it's reg's fail ??????????
I don't recall the last time that Qantas was investigated by CASA for having poor culture within it's maintenance department. I do recall the last time it happened to a low cost carrier.
Better safety on a more mature, full service, higher cost airline YOU BET!!
I will think of you guys from the Qantas club lounge today as I eat my can of sardines for breakfast.
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I don't recall the last time that Qantas was investigated by CASA for having poor culture within it's maintenance department. I do recall the last time it happened to a low cost carrier.
They serving old decrepid fish for breaky at the lounge?
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Another well informed, well thought out post from SLF.
Hey, moderators, I thought this was Pprune, how bout you start asking for some proof of the second P in Pprune
Yep, Ansett and Qf have never had CASA breathing down their necks.
Hey, moderators, I thought this was Pprune, how bout you start asking for some proof of the second P in Pprune
Yep, Ansett and Qf have never had CASA breathing down their necks.