Adrian Dumsa - New business

[Dick Smith]

Rumour has it that Adrian Dumsa, the former head of air traffic control at Airservices Australia, has now left IATA and is back in Australia running his own business consulting on air safety. I think it may be called ATMC (Air Traffic Management Consulting Inc).

I note that one of Adrian’s partners is Wayne MacKenzie, who has had 35 years with the FAA. Wayne will certainly have some expertise to advise Airservices on the Government approved National Airspace System – you couldn’t get a better person. I bet he has a good knowledge of Class E airspace!

It appears that the business is already doing work for Airservices Australia. If the rumour is true I would like to congratulate Adrian. I believe it is great that he is now in the free enterprise system, and I believe his business will do very well.

The pressure from V.O.R. (and others) for Australia to lead the world in detailed safety studies for airspace means that there will certainly be a lot of work around. I wouldn’t mind getting Adrian’s new company to look into the claimed ICAO view that ACAS cannot be used in a safety study to decide on what particular airspace should be allocated in a particular area.

I have received some emails suggesting that the requirement saying that ACAS cannot be factored in for safety studies was brought in by air traffic controllers to protect their own jobs. My informant asks why else would Mode C transponders be accepted for safety studies when being used for traffic advisories, but ACAS is not – when the only difference is the involvement of air traffic control personnel.

[squawk6969]

Hi Dick,

but ACAS is not – when the only difference is the involvement of air traffic control personnel.

Now take it easy on me, just a simple fellow, but could this be due to an ATC identified target is altitude verified, and one that is unverified can not be guaranteed.

SQ

[Bob Murphie]

This sounds like a good little earner for someone. I was under the belief that this guy wasn't all that keen about aspects of NAS.

Now doing safety studies for ASA?

[Dick Smith]

Squawk6969, from my experience the people at Airservices who were opposed to ACAS being used as a safety mitigator supported transponders being used as a safety mitigator when air traffic controllers gave traffic on unverified VFR aircraft – i.e. they considered that a Mode C transponder, even if not verified, was a worthwhile safety improvement. Shouldn’t people be consistent?

[No Further Requirements]

I have received some emails suggesting that the requirement saying that ACAS cannot be factored in for safety studies was brought in by air traffic controllers to protect their own jobs. My informant asks why else would Mode C transponders be accepted for safety studies when being used for traffic advisories, but ACAS is not – when the only difference is the involvement of air traffic control personnel.

Dick, can you please post a link to these emails. If you can't, please post the details of the emails, the names of the people who sent them to you and their qualifications. Surely they wouldn't want to hide behind a false name, or no name at all? What would they have to fear?

ATCs protecting their jobs sounds a bit far fetched to me. I'm sure the emails will explain all this.

And as an ATC, I take personal exception to your statement that I would reject a safety enhancement to protect my own job!

Cheers,

NFR.

[Skystar320]

Hi Dick,

......

Bye Dick

[Bob Murphie]

Is Adrian Hopper/ Adrian Van Zyl/ Adrian Overman/ and Adrian/Dumsa the same bloke?

Just looking at the bottom of the postings with similar threads. There appears to be a common denominator.

[missy]

Dick,
Hardly a rumour. A simple google search revealed

The principles in this new company (ATMCI) include:
Adrian Dumsa – formerly Head of Air Traffic for Air Services Australia and Deputy Director for IATA (International Air Transport Assoc.).
Arthur Bradshaw – formerly General Manager for Air Traffic Management for ATNS South African and Air Traffic Management magazine’s top 25 individuals in the field of air traffic management.
Doug Campbell PhD – President and CEO of Syneca Research Company with experience in FAA planning and security management.
Wayne MacKenzie – formerly in FAA management in the areas of strategic planning, NAS Architecture, facility management and requirements, as well as the US representative to the ICAO Air Traffic Management Operational Concept Panel. ]

http://atmci.com/default.htm

I'm sure, as with any new venture, they'd appreciate some business.

[Wizofoz]

My informant

Doesn't the fact that your informant is anonymous make this completely irrelevant, or are you being just a tad hypocritical? Besides, an "Informant" supplies "Information". This is an "Opinion", and not a very "Informed" one.

My informant asks why else would Mode C transponders be accepted for safety studies when being used for traffic advisories, but ACAS is not – when the only difference is the involvement of air traffic control personnel.

Utter,utter,utter dangerous, stupid rubbish.

TCAS is not accurate in azimuth, and it's effectiveness is severely hampered unless both aircraft are fully equipped and both pilots trained in it's use, as the 757/tu124 crash clearly showed. Are you actually suggesting a device which gives as little as 100' separation (if BOTH aircraft receive and correctly respond to an RA) be used as a routine separation tool?

You might think about asking Honeywell if it would accept the liability that would come with what you suggest.

But hey! Mandate it's fitmentsto every thing from a Tiger Moth up, and require every SPL and up to attend semi-annual simulator training, and I'd be on board....

[Bob Murphie]

Now THAT, would be a good little earner for somebody.

[AdrianDumsa]

Hi Dick,

Thanks for the free advertising though it may be in breach of PPRUNE rules (sorry moderators - I didn't start this thread).

We don't actually do any consultancy work in safety areas at this stage, other than as a general adjunct to our main business which is ATM Strategic Planning and helping to implement ICAO's new ATM Global Operational Concept.

Yes, I did a little work for Airservices recently, editing their Strategic Plan. No, I have not been engaged by Airservices or anyone else in Australia on safety cases or safety studies - but I'm sure ATMCI could find suitably quaified personnel if you want to enter into a contract. We could probably get some people to help with airspace design too, if you'd like, but like I said it's not our core business.

If you or anyone else need some work done, please contact me at:

[email protected]

[ozbiggles]

Having recently signed and agreed to the ROE for PPRUNE. I'll play nicely.
ie I won't run a website that has anti PPRUNE sentiment on it and I won't accuse a whole profession of putting their jobs before safety, otherwise someone might offer to sue me.
Whats good for the goose....

[tobzalp]

Isn't this thread just advertising? This bloke(topic starter) has broken rules lately yet remains unbanned. Why is that? Offering bribes via a 'donation' to out the identity of posters and now advertising companies. I thought he was on a final warning after the last banning?

[squawk6969]

tobz mate

I have seen some extreme inconsistent stuff on here of late, and Dicks post is not one of them, well when it comes to adverising anyway. Maybe other areas of inconsistency in his post but not as suggeted.

Look at all the posts about Tigers on the Prowl etc etc.....

I saw Capt Claret post

its a benevolant dictatorship

and he did not get banned, and I would have thought that was very harsh words about PPRUNE so, is the glass full or half empty?

Probably see a few of us banned after this thread is done with.

SQ

[man on the ground]

Bloody hell - the names Adrian Dumsa and Dick Smith in the one sentence! It's enough to make an old controller turf his dinner

[Dick Smith]

Wizofoz, you know that I have always supported the advantage of anonymity on PPRuNe. It means that we get lots of information that we wouldn’t otherwise get. That is fantastic. However when it comes to having influence on decision making, I believe you have more influence when you give your name. I think I have the proof to show this.

No, I’m not suggesting that a device which gives a 100 foot separation be:

used as a routine separation tool

I just happen to believe that a traffic advisory on a TCAS improves safety, just as a traffic advisory from a Mode C transponder and radar through air traffic control also improves safety. I would include both in any safety study instead of excluding one.

Tobzalp, please relax. Surely you know that I will always support an Aussie working for himself – I like the free enterprise system.

[AdrianDumsa]

Dick,

As I have indicated before on PPRuNe, I am not averse to using my own name whilst participating in the discussion on this forum.

You started by saying that you'd 'heard a rumour...[about me].."

Let me state some facts.

Yes, I left IATA in July 2006 after a few years in Montreal, and a year in Brussels. Yes, I came back to Australia in late July 2006. Yes, I did several weeks work for Airservices Australia, updating and editing their ATM Strategic Plan. No, I have not done any work since I've been back for Airservices Australia or anyone else for that matter on NAS, Airspace Design, Safety Studies, Safety Case, or anything to do with my past involvement with airspace matters.

Yes, I am in partnership with some people from overseas - we started as ATMCI - now we are ATMCP. ATMCP specialises in ATM strategic planning, and implementing the ICAO ATM Operational Concept.

I'd be happy to ask my partners if they have the expertise to do safety studies. I'm sure they can find some qualified people who would be only too willing to help you.

If you or anyone else want work done, contact me at: [email protected]