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Tiger on the prowl
Tiger beefs up fleet for launch
Mathew Murphy
June 22, 2007 - 9:24AM
The battle of the low cost carriers continues to heat up with Tiger Airways ordering up to 50 extra Airbus A320s for its upcoming launch into the Australian domestic market as rival Jetstar increases its services.
Tiger used the Paris Air Show to fire another salvo at Jetstar, signing a Memorandum of Understanding for 30 additional Airbus A320s with a further 20 options. The deal will boost its fleet of nine A320s with 11 more on order.
Tiger chief executive Tony Davis said the new A320s would be deployed around the airline's regional network in South East Asia, including Australia when it begins domestic services later this year.
Jetstar hit back announcing plans to expand direct services from Melbourne and Sydney to the Gold Coast. Qantas' budget carrier will add two daily return services from Melbourne to the Gold Coast taking it to 14 services per week for that route. Sydney passengers will receive one extra return service to the Gold Coast, increasing its number of trips to seven per week.
The services for the leisure-based carrier will come on line during its peak service period, operating the extra flights from December 22.
Jetstar chief executive Alan Joyce said Melburnians were increasingly choosing the Gold Coast as a travel destination with demand increasing by 11 per cent in the year to March 2007. Sydneysiders appear to be following the trend as well with serviices up 9 per cent on the same period.
At last ,a true LCC and not a joke like Jokestar trying to undermine the industry.
Mathew Murphy
June 22, 2007 - 9:24AM
The battle of the low cost carriers continues to heat up with Tiger Airways ordering up to 50 extra Airbus A320s for its upcoming launch into the Australian domestic market as rival Jetstar increases its services.
Tiger used the Paris Air Show to fire another salvo at Jetstar, signing a Memorandum of Understanding for 30 additional Airbus A320s with a further 20 options. The deal will boost its fleet of nine A320s with 11 more on order.
Tiger chief executive Tony Davis said the new A320s would be deployed around the airline's regional network in South East Asia, including Australia when it begins domestic services later this year.
Jetstar hit back announcing plans to expand direct services from Melbourne and Sydney to the Gold Coast. Qantas' budget carrier will add two daily return services from Melbourne to the Gold Coast taking it to 14 services per week for that route. Sydney passengers will receive one extra return service to the Gold Coast, increasing its number of trips to seven per week.
The services for the leisure-based carrier will come on line during its peak service period, operating the extra flights from December 22.
Jetstar chief executive Alan Joyce said Melburnians were increasingly choosing the Gold Coast as a travel destination with demand increasing by 11 per cent in the year to March 2007. Sydneysiders appear to be following the trend as well with serviices up 9 per cent on the same period.
At last ,a true LCC and not a joke like Jokestar trying to undermine the industry.
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Send your CV to above address and wait I guess.
I believe they are sifting through mant files at the moment and will get back to people once the details are in place.
Fingers crossed.
Send your CV to above address and wait I guess.
I believe they are sifting through mant files at the moment and will get back to people once the details are in place.
Fingers crossed.
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Fender,
I'm not sure what you mean by saying that JQ is undermining the aviation industry?
As far as I can see, QF started J* to slow the growth of Virgin and decrease its overall expenditure, which they have seem to have acomplished..
I take it your another angry qf driver who see's his/her command pushed back by the expansion/success of JQ....
Airlines, in this country anyway, seem to be becoming more like a bus service whether you like it or not!! JQ/VB/ and Tiger will only make it harder to justify a full service airline on short flights across aus..
No one knows what Tiger will be like yet, so to say at least there is now a true LCC is a lilltle premature I think!!
I'm not sure what you mean by saying that JQ is undermining the aviation industry?
As far as I can see, QF started J* to slow the growth of Virgin and decrease its overall expenditure, which they have seem to have acomplished..
I take it your another angry qf driver who see's his/her command pushed back by the expansion/success of JQ....
Airlines, in this country anyway, seem to be becoming more like a bus service whether you like it or not!! JQ/VB/ and Tiger will only make it harder to justify a full service airline on short flights across aus..
No one knows what Tiger will be like yet, so to say at least there is now a true LCC is a lilltle premature I think!!
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Interestingly enough, out of Tigers' Melbourne (Tullamarine) base, I don't see any competition for them.
Now this assumes that they start serving places like Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane etc. etc.
It also assumes that Qantas and Virgin are not there target competition and that Jetstar operating to these cities out of Avalon, don't figure into the equation either.
Am I missing something here?
Now this assumes that they start serving places like Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane etc. etc.
It also assumes that Qantas and Virgin are not there target competition and that Jetstar operating to these cities out of Avalon, don't figure into the equation either.
Am I missing something here?
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Kavorka..... "Fender,
I'm not sure what you mean by saying that JQ is undermining the aviation industry?
As far as I can see, QF started J* to slow the growth of Virgin and decrease its overall expenditure, which they have seem to have acomplished.."
Do you think that perhaps QF could have countered the VB threat another way?
How about improving your product ,especially the business sector instead of withdrawing full services?
That novel approach seems to have escaped certain people.
Instead Darth set up J* and has effectively lowered wages for not only pilots but all staff from Check in to Cabin crew.
Was that his intention?
You would have to think that way unless of course you are one of the J* jockey's who voted to accept a lower pay packet...
As far as the success of J* is concerned all you have to do is look at it's contribution to total group profit and think again at the real purpose of J*.
If Darth really wants cheap fares for the Australian public bring on Tiger and let's see some competition...
I'm not sure what you mean by saying that JQ is undermining the aviation industry?
As far as I can see, QF started J* to slow the growth of Virgin and decrease its overall expenditure, which they have seem to have acomplished.."
Do you think that perhaps QF could have countered the VB threat another way?
How about improving your product ,especially the business sector instead of withdrawing full services?
That novel approach seems to have escaped certain people.
Instead Darth set up J* and has effectively lowered wages for not only pilots but all staff from Check in to Cabin crew.
Was that his intention?
You would have to think that way unless of course you are one of the J* jockey's who voted to accept a lower pay packet...
As far as the success of J* is concerned all you have to do is look at it's contribution to total group profit and think again at the real purpose of J*.
If Darth really wants cheap fares for the Australian public bring on Tiger and let's see some competition...
Jetstar will do what is was intended for....keep market share and QF will prop it up to that end.
Question is how will VB counter? Ultra Lite....
How much is Tiger willing to lose because it will lose a hell of a lot!
Anyway the consumer will be the winner because there will be many cheap fares!
Question is how will VB counter? Ultra Lite....
How much is Tiger willing to lose because it will lose a hell of a lot!
Anyway the consumer will be the winner because there will be many cheap fares!
Can anyone with a finance or accounting background care to explain to us how Tiger are going to be cheaper and be profitable?
Given compared to Jetstar they have:
The same aircraft
The same routes
Same airport fees
Operate under the same regulations
Burn the same fuel
Staff costs one would guess are going to be the same or higher. And even if they get foreign pilots/crew they get paid more that Jetstar anyway
So how are they going to be so much cheaper than Jetstar?
Unless this is all a big game and Singapore are trying to get back at QF or something similar.
Given compared to Jetstar they have:
The same aircraft
The same routes
Same airport fees
Operate under the same regulations
Burn the same fuel
Staff costs one would guess are going to be the same or higher. And even if they get foreign pilots/crew they get paid more that Jetstar anyway
So how are they going to be so much cheaper than Jetstar?
Unless this is all a big game and Singapore are trying to get back at QF or something similar.
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Jetstar will do what is was intended for....keep market share and QF will prop it up to that end....
To say that is an inacurate oversimplification would be an understatement.
Yep there will be cheap fares but at what cost?
To say that is an inacurate oversimplification would be an understatement.
Yep there will be cheap fares but at what cost?
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Have a look at how much money it's making compared to total group profit and then look at your first post again for J*'s purpose.
Have a look at how much money it's making compared to total group profit and then look at your first post again for J*'s purpose.
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J*...Making money... HAHAHAHAAA..
If only we could get to see the real money juggling.
Why will Tiger be more profitable!!.
Because they will be a LCC not a cheap and nasty QF.
Look at the amount of people in Jetstar feathering their nests. I have heard that senior pilots are having to take 330 slots that they don't want just so they can stay in their home port ,or stop from being demoted back to F/O.
Well, that is cost effective isn't it..
If only we could get to see the real money juggling.
Why will Tiger be more profitable!!.
Because they will be a LCC not a cheap and nasty QF.
Look at the amount of people in Jetstar feathering their nests. I have heard that senior pilots are having to take 330 slots that they don't want just so they can stay in their home port ,or stop from being demoted back to F/O.
Well, that is cost effective isn't it..
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Why would "senior" pilots have to go to the 330 to hold their commands????
There is a heap of movement at the moment, so senior guys can pretty much can take their pick...
Sounds like the back seat is getting to you....
Why would "senior" pilots have to go to the 330 to hold their commands????
There is a heap of movement at the moment, so senior guys can pretty much can take their pick...
Sounds like the back seat is getting to you....
All these airlines are ordering aircraft to engage in a massive fare war on the Oz domestic scene, but I'd like to know where are the pilots coming from?
Are the Tiger aircraft to be flown domestically in Oz going to be registered in Aust. If so they will have to be flown by pilots with Oz ATPL's so that would add time to any foreign pilots being able to commence their employment - some may not even pass the subjects. Starting the operation with 5 aircraft is certainly do-able but to recruit enough pilots for 30 more (with 20 options) is in the realm of fantasy land when you are offering LCC salaries and T's & C's.
Are the Tiger aircraft to be flown domestically in Oz going to be registered in Aust. If so they will have to be flown by pilots with Oz ATPL's so that would add time to any foreign pilots being able to commence their employment - some may not even pass the subjects. Starting the operation with 5 aircraft is certainly do-able but to recruit enough pilots for 30 more (with 20 options) is in the realm of fantasy land when you are offering LCC salaries and T's & C's.
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Tiger already has sufficient Oz pilots with Oz ATPLs to commence Oz services.
Try checking the seat pitch of Tiger A320s. THAT'S where they'll make the money! More bums = more cash for the same a/c. That's IF they can convince Oz pax to become sardines for low fares.
Try checking the seat pitch of Tiger A320s. THAT'S where they'll make the money! More bums = more cash for the same a/c. That's IF they can convince Oz pax to become sardines for low fares.