500 S/O's!!!!!!!!!
Slots?
hey poly,
'slots' are training / promotional slots. they are issued about this time every year, so those that have bid for a type/rank change wait to see if they have been awarded their choice.
hotnhigh,
can you give me a link to the entire article please?
cheers!
'slots' are training / promotional slots. they are issued about this time every year, so those that have bid for a type/rank change wait to see if they have been awarded their choice.
hotnhigh,
can you give me a link to the entire article please?
cheers!
An honest question to the open minded types out there :
From a purely business point of view, why are the b787 deliveries scheduled to go to JQ, bearing in mind :
-JQ Intl pilots are all airbus current
-JQ Domestic is all airbus and as such reduced training costs to transfer to intl
-JQ Intl pax (for the most part) are travelling due to the budget airfare and as such wouldnt mind if they were not on a brand spanking new jet
Im not trying to stir here, and those from both sides who wish to make antagonising replies, please refrain. Im just trying to see the logic here...?
Cheers!
From a purely business point of view, why are the b787 deliveries scheduled to go to JQ, bearing in mind :
-JQ Intl pilots are all airbus current
-JQ Domestic is all airbus and as such reduced training costs to transfer to intl
-JQ Intl pax (for the most part) are travelling due to the budget airfare and as such wouldnt mind if they were not on a brand spanking new jet
Im not trying to stir here, and those from both sides who wish to make antagonising replies, please refrain. Im just trying to see the logic here...?
Cheers!
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Dixon needs to get Jetstar Intl up to a critical mass. Once that is done then the rest of his industrial objectives will be much easier to achieve.
but surely the industrial objectives, whilst personally close to dixons heart, could not be the PRIMARY focus of this business!?!? hes not the only shareholder out there!
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Any business objective of Jetstar could have been achieved by starting up an offshoot of mainline.
The fact that they went for a "greenfields" operation in the creation of Jetstar was entirely deliberate, and designed to create a means of destroying the unions in mainline.
The fact that they went for a "greenfields" operation in the creation of Jetstar was entirely deliberate, and designed to create a means of destroying the unions in mainline.
I know this has been asked before but i have struggled to find the answer.
Would anybody not too far out of the loop be able to give me some idea of what a junior s/o in qf might expect to earn over the first 12 - 18 months.
Having been on the hold file for some time I moved on with my flying career and now find myself with a decision. It's not the only criterea I am basing my decision on, but it would have an impact if it was substantially less than my current situation.
Any PM would be hugely appreciated.
Would anybody not too far out of the loop be able to give me some idea of what a junior s/o in qf might expect to earn over the first 12 - 18 months.
Having been on the hold file for some time I moved on with my flying career and now find myself with a decision. It's not the only criterea I am basing my decision on, but it would have an impact if it was substantially less than my current situation.
Any PM would be hugely appreciated.
Nunc est bibendum
Do the math yourself. The QF Longhaul Award (EBA 7) can be downloaded from www.wagenet.gov.au A search will find it.
You're looking for page B:129 or thereabouts. It's important to have all the facts because the numbers can vary widely depending on what aircraft you're on. If you're joining expecting the numbers quoted by gettoffmyback then you may be in for a shock.
That will tell you that the hourly pay rate for a S/O after check to line is $64.14.
Assuming that things go well (175 hour divisor and 6.5 of them per year) you'll get paid for about 1140 hours minimum. If you 'rotate' on blank lines (and don't do more than minimum hours) then you're looking at about 1080 hours. Do the math yourself and work out how much that means you'll get paid.
On top of that, depending on your allocated aircraft you may (or may not) get access to a truck load of overtime. This too can vary depending on seniority and your aircraft type. A 744 S/O could reasonably expect to do anywhere between 20-40 hours per bid period (6.5 bid periods per annum). If you allow for the fact that you're generally on holidays for half a bid period per annum then you're looking at something between 120 and 240 hours of additional o/t on the 744.
Allowances per annum are going to be about $15-20K.
Therefore (1140+240)x64.14= 88513, Tack on your $15-20K and you'll be looking around the $100-110K mark all up. I was going to say that it would be unusual for a first year pilot to do all bid periods of 175 hours but in recent times I've heard of people doing much higher than that!
First half of the second year is worth $68.63 per hour. Do the math as above and divide by two and you'll get the answer for that six month period.
The second half of your second year is when being on the 744 really starts to pay off with the pay rate on the 744 jumping to $84.77. A330 rate is $80.75.
Third year pay (by now you'll be permanent pattern- most likely- and thus able to be getting toward the top end of that o/t figure) is worth $89.25.
The 'killer' if you end up on the A330 (or classic) is that you won't get access to 120-240 hours of overtime per annum. I don't know the rosters or flight patterns of the bus well enough to tell you how much o/t is likely but it's not in the same league as the 744 so if you work on 'nil' then anything else is a bonus.
If you want to know absolute rock bottom 'minimum wage' then work on about 1016 hours pay and consider anything above that as a bonus. This will consist of three bid periods of 152 hours (min guarantee) and 3.5 bid periods of 160 hour divisors....about as low as we go.
I hope that assists in providing a greater depth of information.
You're looking for page B:129 or thereabouts. It's important to have all the facts because the numbers can vary widely depending on what aircraft you're on. If you're joining expecting the numbers quoted by gettoffmyback then you may be in for a shock.
That will tell you that the hourly pay rate for a S/O after check to line is $64.14.
Assuming that things go well (175 hour divisor and 6.5 of them per year) you'll get paid for about 1140 hours minimum. If you 'rotate' on blank lines (and don't do more than minimum hours) then you're looking at about 1080 hours. Do the math yourself and work out how much that means you'll get paid.
On top of that, depending on your allocated aircraft you may (or may not) get access to a truck load of overtime. This too can vary depending on seniority and your aircraft type. A 744 S/O could reasonably expect to do anywhere between 20-40 hours per bid period (6.5 bid periods per annum). If you allow for the fact that you're generally on holidays for half a bid period per annum then you're looking at something between 120 and 240 hours of additional o/t on the 744.
Allowances per annum are going to be about $15-20K.
Therefore (1140+240)x64.14= 88513, Tack on your $15-20K and you'll be looking around the $100-110K mark all up. I was going to say that it would be unusual for a first year pilot to do all bid periods of 175 hours but in recent times I've heard of people doing much higher than that!
First half of the second year is worth $68.63 per hour. Do the math as above and divide by two and you'll get the answer for that six month period.
The second half of your second year is when being on the 744 really starts to pay off with the pay rate on the 744 jumping to $84.77. A330 rate is $80.75.
Third year pay (by now you'll be permanent pattern- most likely- and thus able to be getting toward the top end of that o/t figure) is worth $89.25.
The 'killer' if you end up on the A330 (or classic) is that you won't get access to 120-240 hours of overtime per annum. I don't know the rosters or flight patterns of the bus well enough to tell you how much o/t is likely but it's not in the same league as the 744 so if you work on 'nil' then anything else is a bonus.
If you want to know absolute rock bottom 'minimum wage' then work on about 1016 hours pay and consider anything above that as a bonus. This will consist of three bid periods of 152 hours (min guarantee) and 3.5 bid periods of 160 hour divisors....about as low as we go.
I hope that assists in providing a greater depth of information.
