500 S/O's!!!!!!!!!
Nunc est bibendum
Hoss, if it's true then that is great! Sad for 'my' airline but it'll serve those short sighted people right.
As a former QF Deputy CP has been known to say, it's all about the money. 
Hellooo... Earth to CP.. Money is the only thing that will fix the problem!!!
hoss,
Sad but true I'm afraid.
All the major regionals and a good portion of GA are about to be gutted!
Gotta love the new Qantas add and their commitment to regional services.
Sad but true I'm afraid.
All the major regionals and a good portion of GA are about to be gutted!
Gotta love the new Qantas add and their commitment to regional services.
Yes Krusty 34 this is the gutting that has been talked about amongst the pilots for a while now, it's interesting how QL listened and responded(very little).......lets see how they react.
To think that DJ wouldn't attempt this on their opposition shows the simplicity of Kumar.
To think that DJ wouldn't attempt this on their opposition shows the simplicity of Kumar.
if you think you will ever see a 787 in the rat livery think again, they may have orders, but lets just say they will have orange stars on the tail
if you think you will ever see a 787 in the rat livery think again, they may have orders, but lets just say they will have orange stars on the tail
Now is the time to be yelling (not just saying), "Show me the money".
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Well it will be interesting to see if QL, QF give another chance to those that were deemed "unsuitable" earlier on when times were not so good.
Might be a band-aid solution.
Might be a band-aid solution.
Nunc est bibendum
I wonder if a 'group opportunity list' may be enough to stop the hemorrhaging in the short to medium term?
There are a few QF drivers who are prepared to jump into the left seat of the A330 in J* for crap pay. That could see the problem solved in the short term.
Interesting times. The light at the end of the tunnel is looking less and less like an oncoming train!
There are a few QF drivers who are prepared to jump into the left seat of the A330 in J* for crap pay. That could see the problem solved in the short term.
Interesting times. The light at the end of the tunnel is looking less and less like an oncoming train!
Yes right Keg, however GD will never see it that way.
VB have the opportunity of a lifetime here. Encompass all the growth within their own group now!!!!!
That includes embraer, 777 and whatever else that may well be. A career path that would easily surpass what's on offer at QF. (Probably already does!)
Of course that would require management placing a value on their own pilot body.
VB have the opportunity of a lifetime here. Encompass all the growth within their own group now!!!!!
That includes embraer, 777 and whatever else that may well be. A career path that would easily surpass what's on offer at QF. (Probably already does!)
Of course that would require management placing a value on their own pilot body.
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It's all supply & demand!
Once considered "uncompetitive" when a glut of applicants exist (post Ansett collapse) can easily change when the supply dries up.
I'm guessing the recruitment centre will accelerate processing applicants post Oct 2007. (just a hunch!!)
It's all supply & demand!
Once considered "uncompetitive" when a glut of applicants exist (post Ansett collapse) can easily change when the supply dries up.
I'm guessing the recruitment centre will accelerate processing applicants post Oct 2007. (just a hunch!!)
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Great to see that your looking out for the Regional Pilots and i thank you for that as management aren't however after being offered the opportunity to progress to J**star with no one progressing and now being offered to progress to mainline (as a trade off for accepting QF Cadets and no one to date progressing) and having to jump through all the hoops again its no wonder the likes of Hoss and Krusty treat QF management as a joke. I fear the Group Opportunity list will be that only ,a list and all the QL pilots know that. Thats why there marching with their feet, their first perferences are overseas or VB not mainline.
Look at the treatment of the Sunstate Pilots. Once a proud airline where no-one wanted to leave QL management have no turned into an outpost with no direction and morale falling daily. Senior Pilots now seriously considering leaving. Would an Opportunity List fix it? NO. Would progression fix it? maybe if it was fair dinkum. Would regional Jets fix it? too late now most QL pilots believe this would be done by NJS or J**star anyway.
Latest QL newsletter states that the latest advertising campaign for pilots (700hrs 250 multi command or co-pilot) was so successful that they are now advertising in NZ. Not long before Dash's parked.
Great to see that your looking out for the Regional Pilots and i thank you for that as management aren't however after being offered the opportunity to progress to J**star with no one progressing and now being offered to progress to mainline (as a trade off for accepting QF Cadets and no one to date progressing) and having to jump through all the hoops again its no wonder the likes of Hoss and Krusty treat QF management as a joke. I fear the Group Opportunity list will be that only ,a list and all the QL pilots know that. Thats why there marching with their feet, their first perferences are overseas or VB not mainline.
Look at the treatment of the Sunstate Pilots. Once a proud airline where no-one wanted to leave QL management have no turned into an outpost with no direction and morale falling daily. Senior Pilots now seriously considering leaving. Would an Opportunity List fix it? NO. Would progression fix it? maybe if it was fair dinkum. Would regional Jets fix it? too late now most QL pilots believe this would be done by NJS or J**star anyway.
Latest QL newsletter states that the latest advertising campaign for pilots (700hrs 250 multi command or co-pilot) was so successful that they are now advertising in NZ. Not long before Dash's parked.
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f you think you will ever see a 787 in the rat livery think again, they may have orders, but lets just say they will have orange stars on the tail
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Not only is there a looming pilot shortage think about the following,
who trains those pilots? Yes that's right the short sighted mental midgets who control the purse strings are now finding it very difficult to fill all those ground and sim instructor positions to train all those pilots to fly all those nice new shiny aeroplanes.
What was that parable about "Ye shall reap what ye sow" all about again?
who trains those pilots? Yes that's right the short sighted mental midgets who control the purse strings are now finding it very difficult to fill all those ground and sim instructor positions to train all those pilots to fly all those nice new shiny aeroplanes.
What was that parable about "Ye shall reap what ye sow" all about again?
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Indeed the adage of what goes around...comes around
The thing airlines are going to be reminded of in the next few years, indeed all industries where the skills base drives operations, is that employees and indeed the better employees are worth the little extra you pay them to stay!
We have had downsizing, rightsizing, retrenchments, re-applications, cost pressures, business risk and sustainable futures thrown in our collective faces for years......
The reality across most of the western economies is that as populations age and retire there are all sorts of issues to be considered from property and equity markets to employment terms and conditions.
Indeed demographically the western world stands poised for changes the likes of which haven't been seen before.
However as to 500 S/O positions at Qantas I will believe it when I see it...
The thing airlines are going to be reminded of in the next few years, indeed all industries where the skills base drives operations, is that employees and indeed the better employees are worth the little extra you pay them to stay!
We have had downsizing, rightsizing, retrenchments, re-applications, cost pressures, business risk and sustainable futures thrown in our collective faces for years......
The reality across most of the western economies is that as populations age and retire there are all sorts of issues to be considered from property and equity markets to employment terms and conditions.
Indeed demographically the western world stands poised for changes the likes of which haven't been seen before.
However as to 500 S/O positions at Qantas I will believe it when I see it...
fellas,
does this mean us, and our licences, will soon be in demand
Being a conspiracy theorist, could QF management have announced the expected 500+ pilot recruits in order to attract those potential applicants who have applied for Virgin Blue, Tiger (even Jetstar) etc. The endorsement paid for by QF, higher salary, better long term options for career and choice of aircraft types, better terms & conditions etc might cause some to withdraw their applications to the LCC's. Management would enjoy watching the opposition squirming as they are unable to crew services.
