Qantas 'worst international airline'

[DutchRoll]

Originally Posted by International Trader

There are also those who are too stupid to realize that' like him or hate him, Dixon is the best man to run QF.

....and there are those who are too stupid to see that the only way he has maintained profitability is by slashing expenditure across the board to the point where it will ultimately become unsustainable. The same people are also too stupid to realise that with the respect and willing cooperation of his employees which he has gone about systematically destroying, those profits could be substantially bigger.

When poor leadership of "the team" is exhibited, the "team" becomes disorganised and disinterested, failing to maximise their productivity and effort. That applies universally, and that means the corporate world too. Dixon, while he may know about accountancy, is unfortunately not smart enough to understand the ramifications of this. While his routes are protected, his competition is heavily restricted, and there are sufficient people to employ out there, it won't be a problem for him. But as things change..........

[lowerlobe]

It takes no managerial talent or skill whatsoever to slash and cut back.It not only takes a lack of talent but also a complete lack of understanding of business and human psychology to realise the effect of low morale on your employees especially in a service industry.

However,it does take skill to motivate your employees and give them direction and feedback to make full use of their skill.This requires that you as a manager understand that your work force is your biggest asset and not a liability.It takes a good manager not only to motivate but to develop new markets and improve your existing products.Something which is I feel is sadly lacking at present.

Those here like International Trader show their similar lack of understanding and should only look back a few short weeks to remember the debacle of the APA bid and the boards complicity.

[Sandy Freckle]

International Trader = Geoff "Dick"son.

[roamingwolf]

International Trader = Geoff "Dick"son.

thats right or one of his fan club ..all 3 of them

[International Trader]

Goose?
All I see are QF pilot feathers flying.
Doesn't take much to set you guys off.

Love the guy who says that....yeah, yeah, we are the worst in all areas except the fact that there is "only"( or at least) 1 more profitable. And I suppose it's all due to the efforts of you wonderful emplyees that are "shooting the messenger".Nothing to do with the CEOs policy.
I think there are quite a few Australian CEOs who would love to bust their fat cat unions, without industrial action ,while starting a new brand in the same industry, at a fairly minimal cost. Geoff now has 3 fingers in the airline pie while you have had your fingers firmly..... you would know but, I wonder if it's the same place you have had your collective heads for the last many years.
I'm not related to him nor consider myself the thing that you have refered to in your very clever (not) word play.
I have made quite a bit out of the QF shares that I have owned and it is thanks to the current CEO. Not those staff that are complacent and believe that the company owes you a living.
The current situation is the only reason there ever was a buy out attempt and it's a logical corporate move. He has looked after the shareholders and maybe not you. Maybe you have been making sure that the company looks after yourselves first for so long that you have forgotten about shareholders.
Maybe your time is over!

[speedbirdhouse]

Quote- "He has looked after the shareholders"

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Would these be the same shareholders who he and his management team tried to rob of 4 [or was it 6?] AUD billion dollars????

[DutchRoll]

Originally Posted by International Trader

He has looked after the shareholders

Bwahahahahaha!
I'm sorry, are you talking about the same Geoff Dixon who so desperately wanted his beloved shareholders to sell up at $5.45 initially, followed by a revision to an "exceedingly generous, never gonna be better, you're an idiot if you don't" $5.60? And what is the share price now? I just looked it up and it's $5.81. Those who flogged off their shares on his advice must be really, really sh*tty now! Those who rejected his "expert" advice and negotiation with APA are laughing all the way to the bank! Has the sheer irony of that escaped your attention, IT?

He and Jackson trashed the bid. They clearly undervalued the company grossly. They've slashed costs by cutting service and people at "the coal face", which is an unsustainable way of increasing profit in the longer term. They make most money on routes protected by the Government. Then QF was handed domestic market share on a platter because the second airline in a market duopoly folded! He has zero respect from the vast majority of his employees - so much so that there are literally dozens of examples every day I go to work where employees cost him (Qantas) more and more money because they simply don't care about what they do. You know, Inspector Clouseau could probably run QF in recent times and make money out of it.

......and by the way IT, without the employees, there is no Qantas. And you are then left with sweet nothing except some worthless bits of paper which you once thought would make you lots of money. Better hope the employees hang around and do their jobs well, eh?

[lowerlobe]

This hilarious quote from International Trader…. “I have made quite a bit out of the QF shares that I have owned and it is thanks to the current CEO”

Just a few questions IT…

How long has The current CEO been there?

When did the shares increase?

That’s right IT remember a little thing called the APA takeover bid?

The share price increase had nothing to do with anyone on the board.If it had why did it not happen before the takeover bid ?

It’s good to see that someone here like IT has a sense of humor.

[chemical alli]

so am I to take that due to the inept decisions of the board share prices have stayed strong or is it due to the market actually rallying against the q board.

why was the airline undervalued for so long?

MORAL AND SERVICE WILL NOT IMPROVE NO MATTER WHAT GD AND CREW DO! THE COALFACE WORKERS HAVE BEEN BURNT AND WILL NOT FORGIVE



FOG/FOG/FOG

[International Trader]

**** NEWS FLASH *****
Qantas pilots petition company for blue collar shirts to fit in with their new public persona!
"Coal face" workers?........... give me a break and take your hands off the shovel handle will you.You'll get splinters as well as go blind.
You guys can't be QF pilots with that opinion of yourselves.

GD put your company(and mine as I still have some shares) in a good position for the privatization. When Ansett was headed for doom, he did his level best to ensure no help or quarter given by the Gov. If you think that any CEO in that situation would do nothing behind the scenes then, you are bigger idiots than I already believe you are. He took advantage of the situation after Ansett's demise and has successfully slowed VB's expansion.
You know my opinion about J star.
His motives regarding the buy out........look after shareholders and himself first,second and last.....not workers.
Rather like the way QF staff look after themselves before shareholders and ,god forbid...passengers.
His performance during the buy out?, yep, maybe not the best price achieved at the last offer but, maybe he though that that it was time when he should start looking after himself more and push the deal through.
Hmmm...again,how unlike QF staff.
The price certainly would not have made 100, 50 or 25% more but, his price had peaked.
I made money over recent years.Who says that you always have to sell at the peak? Before is safer in my book.

Ok, bid finished. He can't change that. Do a song and dance to try to convince the masses that he shouldn't get the shove. Success, so far.

Now, back to the business of restructuring to a brand management holding company with 3 airline brands and some trimmings.

Continue with strategy A : Bust the union strong hold and get all he can on AWA's. Squeeze out as many as the others as he can .....that means YOU!

Compare him with Branson and others? Not so different. Certainly started Jstar with an ideal foundation to make it profitable and saleable.

Has GD been what you guys want?..... not by a long shot but, exactly what do you want, apart from ....everything? A straight shooter....nope.
A good CEO.... I would vote him in again but, what do I know?
I'm sure that you will now proceed to tell me!

A brave new world regarding employer/employee relations and you guys have been sleeping on the job!

I'll bet the "FOG..FOG" ..will go a long way...... What a joke.
Sounds like a chant that you would hear coming from the member's stand at Collingwood !
Hey, now that's " coal face" country. Maybe I was wrong about you guys!

Now tell me that you have someone better than GD to run the company...... apart from your magnificent selves, of course!

[cokecropduster]

IT: You are looking in from outside. GD is destroying the QANTAS brand by cutting budgets in ALL departments.

Where other airlines, such as Emirates and Sing Air are spending a fortune
on developing their airlines' product. Eg., Emirates and Sing Air (to name just two) have more crew than QF and have the best and newest of everything on-board. Just take a look at the Business and First Class seats at SQ.

BTW, can anyone tell me why the same cleaners on QANTAS have 5 minutes less than Jet Star International to clean?? When you consider blankets, pillows, amenity packs, headsets, etc. are not done on JQI it is quite suprising??? I guess someone paying thousands for a seat on QANTAS doesn't need a new magazine... someone else's rubbish is so much better.

Cutting corners on quality is not going to get a long term sustainable future.

Please consider...

[mrpaxing]

Late me clarify this one

IT says-"GD put your company(and mine as I still have some shares) in a good position for the privatization"
GD had something to do with the privatisation of QF. i just saw a pig fly by my house. did not have a red tail. mmmhhmhmm

[lowerlobe]

Quote from International Trader..

"A good CEO.... I would vote him in again but, what do I know? "....Apparently not a lot...

Another quote.. “I have made quite a bit out of the QF shares that I have owned and it is thanks to the current CEO”

You did not answer my question IT.
How long has he been CEO?
When did the share price rise?

The share price only went up when the market found out about the takeover bid.

Even you should be able to work out how much credit the board can take for that.....IT, If you made money out of QF shares you should thank APA not anyone on the board...

[chemical alli]

cant wait until IT, flys his beloved gd airline.spending the millions made on q shares.doesnt like staff, so guess he wont complain when handed a scummy amenties kit,gets delayed by no parts to fix aircraft,and wonders why the crew aint smiling

[robroy]

quaintarse

I thought the topic is about the WORST airline in the world, not the ceo,s etc.

funnybum is without a doubt in my mind THE WORST, I will never fly funnybum again and it has been a while since I had to fly with this SUBSTANDARD mob, ( Unfortunately I had to go Syd. to pick up a P & O cruise, the service was , no, there was no service, the landing was nothing more than a semi controlled collision with the earth. A tug appeared with an Engineer walking towards the Boeing with gear pins with the attached long red tapes. A long veeeerrry slow taxy to the terminal and not a word from the flightdeck, VEEERRRYY SLACK !!! )

I advise all our friends to travel VB and O/Seas MAS. I know I am biased to MAS BECAUSE,I flew Boeings for them and I know the standards, I with many others trained their young F/O's , who are now Captains.

There is another very good reason to travel MAS, but I am not sure if I want to put it on Pprune. Have a quite think about that one.

Cheers,

robroy

[prunezeuss]

Who Sets the Standard?

In any organization the buck stops with the CEO.
Ergo...a crap business with crap service has a crap CEO.
The Viagra Driven Dwarf doesnt see a problem.
When asked about moral at a recent roadshow VDD suggested that it was merely an overused, misused word..total denial.
VDD obviously hasnt bothered to read the last two staff surveys.

[International Trader]

I agree that I have strayed away from the thread.

The CEO is in the end responsible for the airline's position on the list but, in a modern, first world country do the staff have no responsibility?

Is it No CARE and NO RESPONSIBILITY ?

[mrpaxing]

as GD said recently

morale is a "funny word". Qf employees have continued to take care and responsiblity, otherwise Qf would have gone down the s'.... a while ago. however to go back to the top it needs a lot more then fancy words.

[lowerlobe]

Obviously IT is president of the Dixon fan club as he still has not answered my question as to why the share price rose.

This quote from robroy... "I thought the topic is about the WORST airline in the world, not the ceo,s etc"

Whether or not any business is the worst in the world the CEO is responsible for the business.He/She sets the standard,the marketing,new policies etc....

The CEO is the company as they dictate everything.Their attitude flows onto the staff and is refected in their jobs and in the way the employees interact with the customers.

[DutchRoll]

Geez you'd be a depressing employer to work for, International Trader.

The term "coal face" is a common one and refers to the strictly operational end of a job or business (some might call it the bit that is the whole "raison d'etre" for the Company), IT, and has nothing to do with being blue, white, pink or purple collar. That you clearly have never worked at the "coal-face" anywhere is quite evident. I can just imagine you as the CEO of, say, a newspaper and being shown around:

IT: "Wow, and what is this machine you're running?"
Employee: "It's a printing press, sir."
IT: "Cool. And what does it do?"
Employee: "Well, sir, it prints the newpapers that we produce."
IT: "Uh huh. And what do we do with them then?"
Employee: "Err, well, we sell them to the public sir. That's how we make our money sir. If it stops working, we can't produce anything sir."
IT: "Gosh. Isn't this company absolutely amazing! Keep up the good work! As a token of my appreciation, please accept this paper clip. It's brand new."
Employee: "Err, right you are sir. That's very generous of you sir. Thankyou sir."

GD put the company in a good position for privatisation? Qantas was "privatised" in 1995. GD was not the one at the helm who set it on course to making money. Sorry to disappoint. Of course, it's always possible you're misapplying the term "privatisation" as it would normally be used talking about previously Government-owned assets. GD inherited a pretty robust Qantas from James Strong.

A brave new world regarding employer/employee relations and you guys have been sleeping on the job!

If you mean that certain employers now have legislative backing to make their employer/employee relations a one-way street, you are absolutely correct. However we are far from "sleeping on the job".

Now tell me that you have someone better than GD to run the company...... apart from your magnificent selves, of course!

Well, actually, many are almost begging for James Strong to come back. I personally can think of a dozen CEOs around the traps who are both running their company very well, and for whom employees would do almost anything (including taking pay freezes, doing unpaid overtime, etc) . Naturally many QF employees would do things for Dixon too.......but only if it led to his untimely demise.