Rex; Pilot Exodus
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I think working to rule is a little bit premature!
It is obvious there are some issues which need to be addressed but have these issues been brought up in the management meetings yet?
It is obvious there are some issues which need to be addressed but have these issues been brought up in the management meetings yet?
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Recruiting?
I heard that Rex recently conducted interviews and Sim assessments on a series of dates in Feb and March.
What came of that? Did they not get enough applicants, or simply not enough with the requisite skills/personality?
What came of that? Did they not get enough applicants, or simply not enough with the requisite skills/personality?
Mr Cantstandya I wish you well in your quest to find a job where you don't have to do anything but pick up your pay check.
You're a jerk, you'll be out of aviation in a year.
You're a jerk, you'll be out of aviation in a year.
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Hey areal,
Nothing premature about planecrash fee's idea. How long are crew expected to put up with current conditons? If management are not aware that everyone is sick and tired of being called on days off to fly then their fingers are not on the pulse! I think planecrash has made a valid contribution and I for one would love to see this happen.... things would certainly change once a few saabs were sitting on the bay because noone accepted a casual day. How many times have i signed on and all three of us are crewing on our day off? The only reason we do it is because we are all on the bones of our ass cause we get paid peanuts... the last time I checked I wasnt crewing with monkeys!
As for bringing issues up at management meetings well can you tell me when they happen areal? Never heard of one and certainly have not heard of any line crew being invited to one.
Also everything cantstandya listed is true so why does that make him/her a jerk? The person that wrote that has obviously never had to put up with these conditions aswell as emptying bins, pouring out slops bottles (carefull...not on the grass!) dodging 737's while trying to get on your sixth aircraft for the day.....
Some people would argue "if you dont like it then leave" however i happen to love the PEOPLE i crew with and i have been a part of REX's success along with these people and I would liked to be treated as a professional employee, not someone who is made to feel like they are an insignificant part of the operation.
Nothing premature about planecrash fee's idea. How long are crew expected to put up with current conditons? If management are not aware that everyone is sick and tired of being called on days off to fly then their fingers are not on the pulse! I think planecrash has made a valid contribution and I for one would love to see this happen.... things would certainly change once a few saabs were sitting on the bay because noone accepted a casual day. How many times have i signed on and all three of us are crewing on our day off? The only reason we do it is because we are all on the bones of our ass cause we get paid peanuts... the last time I checked I wasnt crewing with monkeys!
As for bringing issues up at management meetings well can you tell me when they happen areal? Never heard of one and certainly have not heard of any line crew being invited to one.
Also everything cantstandya listed is true so why does that make him/her a jerk? The person that wrote that has obviously never had to put up with these conditions aswell as emptying bins, pouring out slops bottles (carefull...not on the grass!) dodging 737's while trying to get on your sixth aircraft for the day.....
Some people would argue "if you dont like it then leave" however i happen to love the PEOPLE i crew with and i have been a part of REX's success along with these people and I would liked to be treated as a professional employee, not someone who is made to feel like they are an insignificant part of the operation.
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Well at least Rex no longer have FOM's who write up UM memos to suit their flight attendents wifes needs (ie get the FO to do it), crap on about how "selfish" it is to park in the Rex crew car park when not working....and then does it for a number of weeks after moving on to anther job, and heavliy pressure pilots to use ground handeling equipment for which they are not approved to use (lifters!!)....yeah Naverick...real professional base manager. This guys pathetic memos he used to send out were regularly laughed at as comedy material where I work, and from what I understand there are a few guys at J* awake to his snakey persona.
The next EBA negotiations are the perfect platform for the pilots to improve their pay and conditions....lets hope they don't blow it and then winge about it after the fact.
The next EBA negotiations are the perfect platform for the pilots to improve their pay and conditions....lets hope they don't blow it and then winge about it after the fact.
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The posts regarding current conditions at REX all accurate. A couple of items have got a bit personal though. Keep it civil.
Here are the improvements I'd like to see;
1. An immediate pay increase of 15% for all flight/cabin crew.
2. For pilots an annual retention bonus; 10% of salary, therefore, abolish the profit share scheme
3. The use of despatchers, FO's no longer required to attend trim room and escort pax.
4. Under no circumstances are flight/cabin crew required to escort u/m's, unless in an emergency. Having said this, tech crew are not first aid trained.
5. Increase sign on time to 1 hour at capital city ports.
6. Crew not to be contacted on RDO's without prior permission.
7. New better quality uniforms.
8. Transportation from crew room to a/c. Current situation is now a OHS concern.
9. Proper hearing protection provided for all F/A's. Also another OHS concern.
10. ALL positions to be advertised, including SYD FOM position.
11. All management and supervisory positions to be held by full-time staff.
12. A cleaner to be despatched to each aircraft on every turnaround.
I do not believe that any of these improvements are unreasonable and the company can easliy afford the additional costs. If unity/solidarity is shown amongst ALL flight crew, we can expect and deserve improvements such as those listed above.
Mudflat, I can only go on my personal dealings with the person I believe you are referring to you. From my observations, he never asked anyone to do anything he wasn't prepared to do himself. Like all of us, he didn't always get it right and probably made his fair share of errors, however, as I said previously, an excellent operator.
All comments invited...
Here are the improvements I'd like to see;
1. An immediate pay increase of 15% for all flight/cabin crew.
2. For pilots an annual retention bonus; 10% of salary, therefore, abolish the profit share scheme
3. The use of despatchers, FO's no longer required to attend trim room and escort pax.
4. Under no circumstances are flight/cabin crew required to escort u/m's, unless in an emergency. Having said this, tech crew are not first aid trained.
5. Increase sign on time to 1 hour at capital city ports.
6. Crew not to be contacted on RDO's without prior permission.
7. New better quality uniforms.
8. Transportation from crew room to a/c. Current situation is now a OHS concern.
9. Proper hearing protection provided for all F/A's. Also another OHS concern.
10. ALL positions to be advertised, including SYD FOM position.
11. All management and supervisory positions to be held by full-time staff.
12. A cleaner to be despatched to each aircraft on every turnaround.
I do not believe that any of these improvements are unreasonable and the company can easliy afford the additional costs. If unity/solidarity is shown amongst ALL flight crew, we can expect and deserve improvements such as those listed above.
Mudflat, I can only go on my personal dealings with the person I believe you are referring to you. From my observations, he never asked anyone to do anything he wasn't prepared to do himself. Like all of us, he didn't always get it right and probably made his fair share of errors, however, as I said previously, an excellent operator.
All comments invited...
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Peter F and Amos2,
I take it your rex pilots who are stuck there because you are not good enough to fly a jet!!!!
Also Peter.F I now have a better job with a lot more cash, more days off, and a nice new shiny toy to play with, also more good looking young girls down the back!!
I take it your rex pilots who are stuck there because you are not good enough to fly a jet!!!!
Also Peter.F I now have a better job with a lot more cash, more days off, and a nice new shiny toy to play with, also more good looking young girls down the back!!
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Awesome post, Nav 
Look some might call it unrealistic, but what Naverick has just said is the way it should be.
Remember, for crying out loud - we are pilots. So let us be pilots.
Also remember the simple fact that smart kids aren't learning to fly anymore because they can become I.T professionals, earn squillions.... Get a PPL and enjoy flying on weekends.
I know a QF cadet (now an FO in mainline) who said to me - "If I didn't get the cadetship, I would have gone to university and studied Engineering".... So I asked him "You wouldn't go and get your licence and climb through G.A,".... To my offense he replied "No way, I don't want to fly those little planes in that crappy industry". (This was before the time of "2 years industry experience").
The purpose of me telling this story is... People want good conditions, pay... and the rest of it. So they should, it's their choice. While we all love flying - I think we (especially those people in regionals) should focus on not short changing ourselves. I'll tell you boys (and girls) that you are ALL worth it. You're highly trained professionals who have endured sweat and tears, and have parted with awesome amounts of cash.
WWA
Look some might call it unrealistic, but what Naverick has just said is the way it should be.
Remember, for crying out loud - we are pilots. So let us be pilots.
Also remember the simple fact that smart kids aren't learning to fly anymore because they can become I.T professionals, earn squillions.... Get a PPL and enjoy flying on weekends.
I know a QF cadet (now an FO in mainline) who said to me - "If I didn't get the cadetship, I would have gone to university and studied Engineering".... So I asked him "You wouldn't go and get your licence and climb through G.A,".... To my offense he replied "No way, I don't want to fly those little planes in that crappy industry". (This was before the time of "2 years industry experience").
The purpose of me telling this story is... People want good conditions, pay... and the rest of it. So they should, it's their choice. While we all love flying - I think we (especially those people in regionals) should focus on not short changing ourselves. I'll tell you boys (and girls) that you are ALL worth it. You're highly trained professionals who have endured sweat and tears, and have parted with awesome amounts of cash.
WWA
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G.C.
Or it could be that a lot of guys out there can't afford the training to fly those shiny jets and some that won't cough up out of principle! Once again another thread getting all bitchy and personal. Good onya nav for attempting to keep it nice. Those proposed conditions seem realistic to me.Basically xtra 6-7k fo's 11-12 capts,hardly a fortune this day and age.
Gallerina,I'll try and get ya one of those lamps next trip to the sandpit
Or it could be that a lot of guys out there can't afford the training to fly those shiny jets and some that won't cough up out of principle! Once again another thread getting all bitchy and personal. Good onya nav for attempting to keep it nice. Those proposed conditions seem realistic to me.Basically xtra 6-7k fo's 11-12 capts,hardly a fortune this day and age.
Gallerina,I'll try and get ya one of those lamps next trip to the sandpit
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Gallerina you are an idiot (two posts and only joined yesterday!)
You don't have to come in on your day off if you don't want to!
Rex is a great job if you have the right attitude!
You don't have to come in on your day off if you don't want to!
Rex is a great job if you have the right attitude!
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Also worth noting Playne Krash Fiona and Mudflat only joined in the last few days also.
The only way to keep this constrctive is to make a list of all your complaints and have a direct dialog with management. If this isn't hapening then make it happen!
The only way to keep this constrctive is to make a list of all your complaints and have a direct dialog with management. If this isn't hapening then make it happen!
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Be real areal. The REX OPS management are too busy with the minor issues to see the major one coming. Basically they think they are doing a good job and it's everybody's fault but theirs. With a few of them the following applies.
Lowliness is young ambition's ladder,
Whereto the climber-upward turns his face;
But when he once attains the upmost round.
He then unto the ladder turns his back,
Looks in the clouds, scorning the base degrees
By which he did ascend.
. The REX OPS management are too busy with the minor issues to see the major one coming. Basically they think they are doing a good job and it's everybody's fault but theirs. With a few of them the following applies.Lowliness is young ambition's ladder,
Whereto the climber-upward turns his face;
But when he once attains the upmost round.
He then unto the ladder turns his back,
Looks in the clouds, scorning the base degrees
By which he did ascend.
I know a QF cadet (now an FO in mainline) who said to me - "If I didn't get the cadetship, I would have gone to university and studied Engineering".... So I asked him "You wouldn't go and get your licence and climb through G.A,".... To my offense he replied "No way, I don't want to fly those little planes in that crappy industry".
And some people wonder why cadet bashing is so prevalent on these forums.
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Not me TQ
Also worth mentioning that MW did an excellent job on the pilot council in Adelaide - it's not an easy job - thanks Mark!
Ka-chow!
Also worth mentioning that MW did an excellent job on the pilot council in Adelaide - it's not an easy job - thanks Mark!
Ka-chow!
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