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AirNZ profits up
So if they have made 61% increase in their quarterly profit (I think I heard that right) then why the last stand mentality? The line maintenance people are all spewing over their recent negotiations, relations never been worse one guy told me?? All the check in staff have the axe over their heads, and the line services slash and burn is still going ahead. How much money do they need to save!!??
Is the Labour party policy of maximising tax takes to the detriment of everything else and then trying to tell everybody the coffers are empty starting to spread..I bet they have a giant portrait of Helen in the AirNZ boardroom (probably the one with the straight teeth)
Is the Labour party policy of maximising tax takes to the detriment of everything else and then trying to tell everybody the coffers are empty starting to spread..I bet they have a giant portrait of Helen in the AirNZ boardroom (probably the one with the straight teeth)
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Mate it's the same in Oz.QF has made record profits only to then come on like the doomsday bomb is about to go off.GD is known for his gloom and doom speeches and after listening to one of his talks you want to slit your wrists,
I have never heard a more depressing person talk
The bottom line is that no matter how much money they make they always want more and will do anything to get it.
Mate it's the same in Oz.QF has made record profits only to then come on like the doomsday bomb is about to go off.GD is known for his gloom and doom speeches and after listening to one of his talks you want to slit your wrists,
I have never heard a more depressing person talk
The bottom line is that no matter how much money they make they always want more and will do anything to get it.
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Would not be such a problem with the loaders if they wern't so lazy and actually did the job that they are paid to do, and properly.
We have to do our job the best we can all the time and cant break the rules and have to be seen to care. Loaders on the other hand the loaders and ground staff at the link end seem to be able to drag the chain 95 % of the time and we are the ones that carry the grumpy pax who's bag was left on the ramp !!
There is no action when complaints get submitted regarding the loaders in the majority of cases who drive between the aircraft during start, counted 4 golf carts and a pushbike one day, was told that ramp manager would follow it up... bullsh@#. Still happens and they dont care.
I held an airside drivers permit about 2 years ago and would have been concerned that I would loose the privelage if I did the same things they do.
SO, is it really any wonder that Rob wants to clean up the image of those associated with the airline. Outsourcing the ground services would mean that if there was problems then the bill could not be paid till those accountable stood up and made sure that it didnt happen again. Also the people who get the contract will probably hire those who currently do the job to reduce the training.
Will also give chance for others to tender for the contracts which gives competition and hopefully a better delivered product at the end.
No I am not in management...
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We have to do our job the best we can all the time and cant break the rules and have to be seen to care. Loaders on the other hand the loaders and ground staff at the link end seem to be able to drag the chain 95 % of the time and we are the ones that carry the grumpy pax who's bag was left on the ramp !!
There is no action when complaints get submitted regarding the loaders in the majority of cases who drive between the aircraft during start, counted 4 golf carts and a pushbike one day, was told that ramp manager would follow it up... bullsh@#. Still happens and they dont care.
I held an airside drivers permit about 2 years ago and would have been concerned that I would loose the privelage if I did the same things they do.
SO, is it really any wonder that Rob wants to clean up the image of those associated with the airline. Outsourcing the ground services would mean that if there was problems then the bill could not be paid till those accountable stood up and made sure that it didnt happen again. Also the people who get the contract will probably hire those who currently do the job to reduce the training.
Will also give chance for others to tender for the contracts which gives competition and hopefully a better delivered product at the end.
No I am not in management...
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I definitely agree with your sentiments re the loaders (at Auckland). I've put in report after report, and been told that it's been taken to the highest level, only to see nothing, or very little change. There are some really conscientious guys working on the ramp, but it's a management issue.
I do feel for the customer service and AOC staff, who I think do a pretty good job. But that's the risk you take when you seek employment in a relatively unskilled position. If there are people out there willing to do the job to equal or better quality, for less money, it would be irresponsible of any public company not to take a very good look at it.
The market has recently spoken overwhelmingly in favour of current Air New Zealand management practices, and future planning.
I do feel for the customer service and AOC staff, who I think do a pretty good job. But that's the risk you take when you seek employment in a relatively unskilled position. If there are people out there willing to do the job to equal or better quality, for less money, it would be irresponsible of any public company not to take a very good look at it.
The market has recently spoken overwhelmingly in favour of current Air New Zealand management practices, and future planning.
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"Exhibit A: A business operating in the free market."
"We do not live in a communist society."
Almost fell off my chair with this little pearl of nonsense.
Free markets would have seen NZ fold years ago.
"We do not live in a communist society."
Almost fell off my chair with this little pearl of nonsense.
Free markets would have seen NZ fold years ago.
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oicur12 & galdian with ref:
Neither factual nor even close to the truth. The New Zealand marketplace has been hugely deregulated and unprotected (unlike the Australian market) since Roger Douglas held the fiscal purse strings in the government of David Lange c1980's. NZ is far closer to a 'free market economy' NOW than Australia has ever been or is likely to be in the forseeable future.
If your sledge was to do with the performance of Air NZ as recently announced... that remains as one of the few 'protected' species in the country; and believe me, not all of the NZ aviation industry enjoys the protection of governmental favour -it's sink or swim for the rest of us. Still as the National carrier and flag-bearer for Aotearoa overseas I would habe been surprised and shocked had the government of the day simply allowed Air NZ to fade away when they were under threat.
I was fortunate enough to secure a couple of thousand ANZ shares just before trading was temporarily ceased; got them at about 20c each then. I'm quite happy with their performance (fiscally) to date and looking forward to a wee divvy cheque that should damn near recover the total cost of the shares I purchased! She's all downhill from here
Damn but I do wish I'd been able to scrape a few more dollars together then... but that's the joys of working in GA in NZ for ya -I bought all I could afford at the time.
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Free markets would have seen NZ fold years ago
If your sledge was to do with the performance of Air NZ as recently announced... that remains as one of the few 'protected' species in the country; and believe me, not all of the NZ aviation industry enjoys the protection of governmental favour -it's sink or swim for the rest of us. Still as the National carrier and flag-bearer for Aotearoa overseas I would habe been surprised and shocked had the government of the day simply allowed Air NZ to fade away when they were under threat.
I was fortunate enough to secure a couple of thousand ANZ shares just before trading was temporarily ceased; got them at about 20c each then. I'm quite happy with their performance (fiscally) to date and looking forward to a wee divvy cheque that should damn near recover the total cost of the shares I purchased! She's all downhill from here
Damn but I do wish I'd been able to scrape a few more dollars together then... but that's the joys of working in GA in NZ for ya -I bought all I could afford at the time.
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My mistake. I was referring to the airline, NZ, not the country, NZ. I should have been more carefull.
"Still as the National carrier and flag-bearer for Aotearoa overseas I would habe been surprised and shocked had the government of the day simply allowed Air NZ to fade away when they were under threat."
I am glad your stock in the carrier is doing well, bravo. But lets be honost, the airline would not exist were it not for the government effectively re-nationalising it. This is counter to the basic principles of "A business operating in the free market", is it not?
My mistake. I was referring to the airline, NZ, not the country, NZ. I should have been more carefull.
"Still as the National carrier and flag-bearer for Aotearoa overseas I would habe been surprised and shocked had the government of the day simply allowed Air NZ to fade away when they were under threat."
I am glad your stock in the carrier is doing well, bravo. But lets be honost, the airline would not exist were it not for the government effectively re-nationalising it. This is counter to the basic principles of "A business operating in the free market", is it not?
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My initial comment was related to the labour market, and nothing to do with Air NZs financial performance. I was simply stating that free market economics is the main reason for the terminal services outsourcing proposal.
I do concede that it's a bit hypocritical given the government backing of the company as a whole, but alas, that is the way it works. Like it or not.
I meant this as an explanation, not to condone ANZs actions or otherwise.
I do concede that it's a bit hypocritical given the government backing of the company as a whole, but alas, that is the way it works. Like it or not.
I meant this as an explanation, not to condone ANZs actions or otherwise.
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KIWIBLUE....would be interested to know when you bought those shares at .20c.....I purchased several thousand right after 9/11.... and thought at .33c that was the cheapest on record....
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.....sort of surprised to find some of you blokes surprised at ANZ,s stance in these financial AND managerial matters???? ...when has it been any different!!!!! PB
..........sort of surprised to find some of you blokes surprised at ANZ,s stance in these financial AND managerial matters???? ...when has it been any different!!!!! PB
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Kiwiblue... NZ is far closer to a 'free market economy' NOW than Australia has ever been or is likely to be in the forseeable future"
And this has resulted in NZ being far and away better than Australia? ....Yeah right...So much for that argument
Cloud cutter...This is not about capitalism or communism this is about corporate greed...nothing more
And this has resulted in NZ being far and away better than Australia? ....Yeah right...So much for that argument
Cloud cutter...This is not about capitalism or communism this is about corporate greed...nothing more
I see the topic of outsourcing the ground handling at Air NZ has come up.
Any company need to look its cost structure, but I do wonder how far things have gone in this case.
Anyone done the numbers on the figures quoted?
Swissport?/Transfield offer $20,000,000 less than it costs Air NZ now. About 1330 equivalent full time staff affected. Equates to just over $15,000 per employee.
I wonder how many of us mere mortals would like our income cut by $15,000. I don't know what the average wage is for those affected but for the average wage earner $15,000 is a significant proportion of their income.
Make a bit of a joke of the posters I have seen espousing that Air NZ employees look after each other. Perhaps it dosen't apply to management giving their fellow workers a fair deal.
Any company need to look its cost structure, but I do wonder how far things have gone in this case.
Anyone done the numbers on the figures quoted?
Swissport?/Transfield offer $20,000,000 less than it costs Air NZ now. About 1330 equivalent full time staff affected. Equates to just over $15,000 per employee.
I wonder how many of us mere mortals would like our income cut by $15,000. I don't know what the average wage is for those affected but for the average wage earner $15,000 is a significant proportion of their income.
Make a bit of a joke of the posters I have seen espousing that Air NZ employees look after each other. Perhaps it dosen't apply to management giving their fellow workers a fair deal.
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It is probably a little misleading to suggest that the savings will come completely from out of the pockets of employees.
Having said that Swissport are monster company when it comes to ground handling, they will have crunched the numbers..so the savings will come from almost everywhere.
Not good news if you are an AirNZ groundstaffer
It is probably a little misleading to suggest that the savings will come completely from out of the pockets of employees.
Having said that Swissport are monster company when it comes to ground handling, they will have crunched the numbers..so the savings will come from almost everywhere.
Not good news if you are an AirNZ groundstaffer
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Fair comment, but you would have to agree that that's where the majority of the savings will come.
Swissport are not a charity and will be expecting to make a profit on the deal, for them it will be a profit centre, whereas for Air NZ it is a cost centre. What I am getting at here is that Air NZ only has to cover costs, they do not have to make a profit out of the gound handling operation whereas Swissport are planning to make a profit. Swissport have to be "more efficient" just to retain the status quo.
I don't believe that the Air NZ operation is that inefficient compared other similar operations now. I see only two ways to cut costs to the extent that Swissport have indicated they will, one is to cut corners (service) or cut wages.
My money in on the wages being cut significantly.
That being so, what does the future hold for other cost centres within Air NZ?
Fair comment, but you would have to agree that that's where the majority of the savings will come.
Swissport are not a charity and will be expecting to make a profit on the deal, for them it will be a profit centre, whereas for Air NZ it is a cost centre. What I am getting at here is that Air NZ only has to cover costs, they do not have to make a profit out of the gound handling operation whereas Swissport are planning to make a profit. Swissport have to be "more efficient" just to retain the status quo.
I don't believe that the Air NZ operation is that inefficient compared other similar operations now. I see only two ways to cut costs to the extent that Swissport have indicated they will, one is to cut corners (service) or cut wages.
My money in on the wages being cut significantly.
That being so, what does the future hold for other cost centres within Air NZ?
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The one thing I have learnt from working on the ramp at Auckland Airport is that ... A set of Louis Vuitton Luggage would be a very poor investment!!
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What I am getting at here is that Air NZ only has to cover costs, they do not have to make a profit out of the ground handling operation whereas Swissport are planning to make a profit.
Most competitive airline business units have profit/productivity/KPI targets to achieve, gone are the days where one department can pick the slack up for another.
If however what you say is the case, then sadly the NZ ground staffers are in for a tough time.
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Ha..I'd like to see swissport find anyone willing to do any sort of work for those wages. You couldn't support a family on a line services wage as it is and there is supposed to be a labour shortage in NZ...they will have to put up recruiting posters in African Prisons