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Hard to see why. A resource sector that is going crazy. Solid contract with Qantas to operate 717 Qlink services. 146 aircraft that will go where others cannot and fully paid for years ago.
How could the future be anything but rosey?
How could the future be anything but rosey?
) is spot on!The " solid " contract on the 71s depends on leases being renewed, the first of which expire in the not too distant future.
The crazy resource sector being invaded by Ozjet, Alliance, Skyairworld??, skywest et al.
The abovementioned companies A/C will pretty much go anywhere the 146 will, since they are mostly operating into 2000m strips, evidenced by alliance poaching LST and WME.
Only 2 of the 146s were actually owned by NJS ( this could have changed slightly but I doubt they own all, or close to all, of them )
BTW, whatever happened to the no disadvantage clause in that no good piece of
AWA? the one that said nobody employed by NJS could be on lower conditions?ITCZ, only 6, I was bashing my head against the wall for at least 10
Fair points cunning. Certainly interesting as so many operators want a piece of the pie. As gaunty has said elsewhere, even a booming resource market cannot support ALL of these operators. The mining companies are shrewd operators and will be playing all off against each other.
As to the no disadvantage clause, my understanding is that the salary and overall package cannot be below the federal award, so what is the award for a 146 or 717 FO?
As to the no disadvantage clause, my understanding is that the salary and overall package cannot be below the federal award, so what is the award for a 146 or 717 FO?
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It used to be that no one in NJS could work for less than anyone else doing the same job in NJS. IE. You could'nt have one 71 effo earning 15k less than another, this has obviously changed somewhat 
All those in NJS that opposed, or did nothing about getting, an EBA for all those years, take a bow
This could well have changed with the new " Work-no-choices " from little Johnny.
All those in NJS that opposed, or did nothing about getting, an EBA for all those years, take a bow
This could well have changed with the new " Work-no-choices "
from little Johnny.
Okay I have checked the award here and it appears a 146 or 717 FO should receive 62,488 pa plus 3,971 allowance for the use of an instrument rating.
That would be a total of $66,459 as the award MINIMUM so how can an AWA be below this?
That would be a total of $66,459 as the award MINIMUM so how can an AWA be below this?
Thanks for the better link.
So that makes the AWARD minimum $65,506 plus $ 4,234 for the CIR. Giving an award minimum of $69,740.
So explain to me again how they can offer an AWA of around $61,000.
So that makes the AWARD minimum $65,506 plus $ 4,234 for the CIR. Giving an award minimum of $69,740.
So explain to me again how they can offer an AWA of around $61,000.
Re: no pilot to be employed on lower conditions
One of the changes in "work without choices" is the prohibition of these sorts of clauses; there are five allowable matters in an EBA now and someone else's terms and conditions are none of your business as far as Johnny is concerned.
So no, my contract with you cannot dictate what anyone else gets paid.
So no, my contract with you cannot dictate what anyone else gets paid.
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I don't want to get too deep into this but I'll tell a story. There was once a company that operated in Northern Australia. They had a whole heap of staff who were unhappy with T&C's and there was an AWA coming up for renewal. A truckload of the staff left and went to greener pastures with a range of other companies. This left the company well short with the possibility of more leaving. The next AWA that was signed was much more favourable and the crew still at the company rang the crew that left and thanked them, who were very happy in their new jobs so were happy to help. Timing is everything!
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Not Quite
Horatio,
Not quite. If you look here, you will see that even though clauses such as that in future agreements are 'prohibited', such clauses in pre-wprkchoices AWA's are still valid. Most of the crew in NJS are on 'pre Workchoices' agreements.
The AWA's currently being offered could therefore be argued as breaching those already in place. The problem lies in whether the current crew are rady to stand up for their new colleagues and enforce their rights.
In the past, little support was forthcoming. You can judge for yourselves as the future unfolds.
Dog
Not quite. If you look here, you will see that even though clauses such as that in future agreements are 'prohibited', such clauses in pre-wprkchoices AWA's are still valid. Most of the crew in NJS are on 'pre Workchoices' agreements.
The AWA's currently being offered could therefore be argued as breaching those already in place. The problem lies in whether the current crew are rady to stand up for their new colleagues and enforce their rights.
In the past, little support was forthcoming. You can judge for yourselves as the future unfolds.
Dog
WOG, it is true that the departure of staff helped with the new AWA in that company. However there were some other contributing factors such as severe housing shortages plus the fact that they actually make a substantial profit and could afford to give a little bit more. There were also some significant concessions given by the employees. Still, the role played by the competition was valuable.
P.S. Don't know if you got my dog's PM to you, the website was playing up at the time and he was having trouble with his mitten paws and the laptop keyboard, but I'm afraid we won't be attending your thingo, you'll get official word via snail-mail and telephone.
Cheers.
P.S. Don't know if you got my dog's PM to you, the website was playing up at the time and he was having trouble with his mitten paws and the laptop keyboard, but I'm afraid we won't be attending your thingo, you'll get official word via snail-mail and telephone.
Cheers.
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Pittsboy, I do think the AWA action wouldn't have been as good had we not bailed. I also hear that others are not getting so well taken care of and are putting up a bit of a fight. They had the exodus too and they don't seem to be getting the bonus you people are. It does put my theory into doubt. Can't win them all Captain?
Pity you're not coming to the thingy, will be a top do. I did get you're dogs pm. Call if you're about and don't drop the baby.
Pity you're not coming to the thingy, will be a top do. I did get you're dogs pm. Call if you're about and don't drop the baby.
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Hey Cunninglinguish,
As with everything in NJS the Grey will merge with the black and the boys will look after each other. The admiral will get through he has the photo of the required people with the Alsation dog, a lovely bunch in good old Adelaide.
As with everything in NJS the Grey will merge with the black and the boys will look after each other. The admiral will get through he has the photo of the required people with the Alsation dog, a lovely bunch in good old Adelaide.
