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National Jet Systems AWA Hazard Alert
All new and prospective NJS Pilots please be advised that the woeful AWA being offered to you is the managements wishlist and has not been in anyway negotiated or approved.
As a suggestion you should appoint a Bargaining Agent as soon as possible and not sign until the best deal possible has been achieved. If you have received a job offer and would like to know more, please send me a PM. P.S. Spread the word. |
NJS Scrooges
NJS management want to be trend setters in leading pilots conditions down to zero. They have no idea of how to make a company successful and appear hell bent on achieving just the opposite. Their practices are 'text book John Howard' and aimed at achieving 'Chinese competitive' costs. (All this when Australia is booming.) Don't you just love free trade agreements, globalization and foreign ownership. Company staff morale is at bedrock bottom. Find another company to work for or try another industry!:ugh:
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Do what Qanta do...benchmark rank & file frontline staff against south asian wages but benchmark upper management at New York and London rates...we have to attract the best people for these key positions. Well sorry pal, a pilot, engineer, or any other staff member is also key...attract the best...
Look after your employees and allow your employees to look after your clients. HAH. Word on the street is that some of those offered NJS FO spots have refused to sign and a couple have actually knocked back the offer completely. |
I am aware of one who has knocked it back.
I have to admire him, also feel for the others who have been offered jobs with the conditions on offer. What do they do, stay on a Bras on similar pay/conditions or take the opportunity and do a runner as soon as the opportunity arises. The current feeling within the company is that its future is doubtful. the "leaders" appear to be fools. Maybe they need to speak to this man, Herbert D. Kelleher ,extremely successful business man, respected CEO by staff and share holders. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Kelleher I do wonder what these people in Adelaide think they are up to. It may work in the short term, BUT long term they will be bums on the street. |
The current feeling within the company is that its future is doubtful How could the future be anything but rosey? |
There are a number of business men who are totally opposed to AWA's. When they employ staff whose skills are in short supply (ie high demand) then there are always other businesses poaching by offering better Ts & Cs. The result is that they are paying more for their staff then they would have if an award was thrashed out with a Union. With all companies paying "award rates" there is very little poaching.
Pilots are now in the position where we can reject poor terms & conditions because there is a shortage (even in Oz). |
Originally Posted by National J Bosses
(Post 3086018)
All new and prospective NJS Pilots please be advised that the woeful AWA being offered to you is the managements wishlist and has not been in anyway negotiated or approved.
As a suggestion you should appoint a Bargaining Agent as soon as possible and not sign until the best deal possible has been achieved. If you have received a job offer and would like to know more, please send me a PM. P.S. Spread the word. If NJS employees really want the chance to negotiate properly, shouldn't they be pushing for an EBA? |
Originally Posted by AerocatS2A
(Post 3086428)
If NJS employees really want the chance to negotiate properly, shouldn't they be pushing for an EBA?
Want to come over and tell us how its done? What would you recommend, a 117LJ agreement? Or would a 117LK be better? |
Originally Posted by AerocatS2A
(Post 3086428)
Basically if the managements "wishless" is agreed to by the employee and then approved by the industrial relations guys, it stands.
Such as the law that says you can't pay lower than the Fair Pay Commission minimum rate, which for an FO in a 146, F100, 717, E170 means a shade over $65,500pa. Tired of studying the AIP and aircraft flight manuals? Try the Workplace Relations Act 1996 as amended by WorkChoices in 2006. Pay close attention to Part 8, Divisions 1 through 4 to work out how to make a legal agreement with your new employer. Read Part 7, Division 2, Subdivisions G and H (being s194 to s207 inclusive) to work out your minimum rates of pay. Or you could just join the union. Might be that the $610 union subs might see your NJS offer of $61k per year jump up to $65.5k. Net gain $4,900per annum. Who says union subs are a wast of money?:rolleyes: |
The reality of the situation is that as a new employee, you are presented with an AWA as the "terms and conditions of employment".
I.e. "Hello Bloggs Mr. Chief Pilot here we were impressed with your interview so I am e-mailing you a copy of our pilot's AWA, it outlines all of the terms and conditions of employment. Take a couple of days to go through the document, give my office a call if you have any questions. If you are happy with the terms and conditions please call my office and we will send you some formal paperwork to sign, oh and please keep the AWA confidential as it is sensitive commercial information" If Bloggs does not accept the conditions of the AWA than he does not have a job offer! Companies are finding it harder to source pilots with the experience levels they have traditionally expected from new recruits, but don't think for a second that we have reached a point where the boss will sit down with a "bargaining agent" and negotiate the terms and conditions of potential new recruits (unless he thinks that he can end up paying you less:hmm: ). If Bloggs Brasillia Captain does not accept the AWA than they will offer the job to one of his FO's, or maybe one of his old students who is flying pistons up north. And they will definitely accept the job paying almost double what they are earning now. Blogg's then has a decision to make. Single handedly try and stop the slide in terms and conditions at this company by saying no to a job offering better T&C's than he presently on, or take the next step in building his career in a company where he will eventually make command on much higher salary. What do you think he should do? |
Aquaplaner
You make a very valid point. No one really wants to accept less T&C than what previous employees recieved, yet the staggered pay increases + the move onto a jet still make it more attractive than GA Turbo-prop.
Incidently, ( I apologise for a slight thread shift) has anyone interviewed in the 2nd & 3rd weeks of December heard back from NJS? Some from 1st week have been accepted and some knocked back. Many have heard nothing back. |
The reality of the situation is that as a new employee, you are presented with an AWA as the "terms and conditions of employment". I.e. "Hello Bloggs Mr. Chief Pilot here we were impressed with your interview so I am e-mailing you a copy of our pilot's AWA, it outlines all of the terms and conditions of employment. Take a couple of days to go through the document, give my office a call if you have any questions. If you are happy with the terms and conditions please call my office and we will send you some formal paperwork to sign, oh and please keep the AWA confidential as it is sensitive commercial information" If Bloggs does not accept the conditions of the AWA than he does not have a job offer! Companies are finding it harder to source pilots with the experience levels they have traditionally expected from new recruits, but don't think for a second that we have reached a point where the boss will sit down with a "bargaining agent" and negotiate the terms and conditions of potential new recruits (unless he thinks that he can end up paying you less ). If Bloggs Brasillia Captain does not accept the AWA than they will offer the job to one of his FO's, or maybe one of his old students who is flying pistons up north. And they will definitely accept the job paying almost double what they are earning now. Blogg's then has a decision to make. Single handedly try and stop the slide in terms and conditions at this company by saying no to a job offering better T&C's than he presently on, or take the next step in building his career in a company where he will eventually make command on much higher salary. What do you think he should do? The company may hold most of the cards but not the whole deck. As the first post suggests contact the NJSPG or another trusted bargaining agent. PM the originator of the post sounds like a good start. |
I think it's a very valid point that when you sign on you are given the AWA as T&C's for the job. People would generally sign them coz they want to work there in the vain hope things will get better. You are not thinking you'll need a lawyer to sort out your starting salary. I have a question though, is the company required to show you all current AWA's or just the one they want you to sign ie the lowest one. If they are not is it just a case of "this is what we think you are worth".
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I have a question though, is the company required to show you all current AWA's or just the one they want you to sign ie the lowest one. That could be better, worse or the same as the one they offered the bloke ahead and behind you. Don't kid yourselves, if guys accept the terms on offer without question, they (management) are low enough that they may well present a different one to the next guy and so on until they hit the bottom. I don't think anyone is suggesting making an issue out of it at an interview, simply contact some one for guidance, once you have the AWA or job offer in your hot little hand. |
If Bloggs Brasillia Captain does not accept the AWA than they will offer the job to one of his FO's, or maybe one of his old students who is flying pistons up north. I do hope NJS's clients are not reading this, does not instill confidence with that culture.:= |
Oh dear, so NJS will take whoever they can get. Not the most experienced for the job, the most suitable character, best attired etc,.?................just whoever is willing to accept the crappy AWA ? Problem being, if conditions keep lowering you may well be right. |
Originally Posted by ITCZ
(Post 3086471)
HELLO? HELLO? Only for 6 years mate.
Want to come over and tell us how its done? What would you recommend, a 117LJ agreement? Or would a 117LK be better? Good luck with it all. |
Aquaplaner! That was an excellent post this morning and you've hit the nail on the right on head! Well done...:ok:
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RENURPPs onto to it.
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No point in us all crying about the AWA's unless we are prepared to vote with our head during the next Federal Elections. They will ruin us all. Big Q, Virgin and Jetstar domestic will be next.
assymetric |
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