QL to QF's new recruitment process
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QL to QF's new recruitment process
Well, it's a week since the announcement and the 'silence is deafening'. Being an optimist I believe this can be a very successful agreement and will provide positive results to both the pilot group and the airline in general.
For those who are wondering, an agreement has been reached between QF and QL to provide a recruitment process for pilots who have been employed for two years or more. The objective of the process is to allow QF acess to a number of quality candidates who are from a known source, conforming to the QF standard.
For those who are wondering, an agreement has been reached between QF and QL to provide a recruitment process for pilots who have been employed for two years or more. The objective of the process is to allow QF acess to a number of quality candidates who are from a known source, conforming to the QF standard.
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Interesting. Perhaps QF is finally realising that the 'cost' of restricting those guys access to QF is costing them more than when those guys and gals leave and go elsewhere. Of course a group opportunity list is 'not possible' and yet it appears that the impending pilot shortage may be forcing a change of ideas about retention of crew. Congrats to the QL crew who want to jump out of the frying pan into the fire- albeit a better paying one.
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It's about time something like this happened. Perhaps when you join the Rat you might start at QF Link and work your way through- surely this will produce a better "product" in the end.
Hoss,
I think it is a good thing, but in my opinion this arrangement serves two purposes;
1. To control some of the people leaving.
2. To place Qantas Cadets in Qantaslink.
I have no opinion on either but I feel the majority of crew will only look back as far as 2005, at the failed and flawed Jetstar process.
That would explain the silence.
Good luck on LOA.
Stoob.
I think it is a good thing, but in my opinion this arrangement serves two purposes;
1. To control some of the people leaving.
2. To place Qantas Cadets in Qantaslink.
I have no opinion on either but I feel the majority of crew will only look back as far as 2005, at the failed and flawed Jetstar process.
That would explain the silence.
Good luck on LOA.
Stoob.
It all sounds like a bit of a smoke and mirrors job to me, cause they're **** scared that everyone will bail when VB start recruiting for the jungle jets.
Cynicism aside, The Jury is going to be out on this one for a while because mainline would not seem to be hiring right now anyway.
For those that would be interested it could be a small but usefull helping hand if management is to be taken at their word. From speaking to the guys in QL who have been around for some time, something very similar was done some years ago and very few guys managed to jump the fence although I do believe that there were some.
For those that would be interested it could be a small but usefull helping hand if management is to be taken at their word. From speaking to the guys in QL who have been around for some time, something very similar was done some years ago and very few guys managed to jump the fence although I do believe that there were some.
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I would expect that the recruitment process is unchanged, only the minimum criteria for employment has changed. ie: waivering educational requirements etc in leiu of an observed performance history in QL.
So guys & gals will still have to jump thru the normal selection hoops.
(However, I have yet to have seen the change of policy & would be interested if someone could post it here)
I wouldnt expect any change to the recruitment process & candidates from QL would still be competing against non QF employees for S/O slots.
That competitive application versus other candidate thing.
There will never never ever be a group opportunity list!
When a QF mainline Captain retires, this results in about 5 subsequent mainline promotions. Adding say, QL & Jetstar to a group opportunity list would only increase the training requirements.
When AFAP was pushing for integration to Qantas Mainline, Strong stated he would sell off the subsidiaries before allowing integration/group opportunities. Nothing has changed since.
The only positive I see would be, making available a pool of candidates(whom would not have otherwise applied) should some pilot shortage occur. Maybe improving subsidiary engagement levels in the process.
Best of luck though to you guys & girls cause you deserve better in my opinion. Isn't there 296 slots comming up over the next 3 years at the big Q? When the A380 arrives anyway!
This is not my opinion as to how to manage subsidiary employees, just the observed facts.
So guys & gals will still have to jump thru the normal selection hoops.
(However, I have yet to have seen the change of policy & would be interested if someone could post it here)
I wouldnt expect any change to the recruitment process & candidates from QL would still be competing against non QF employees for S/O slots.
That competitive application versus other candidate thing.
There will never never ever be a group opportunity list!
When a QF mainline Captain retires, this results in about 5 subsequent mainline promotions. Adding say, QL & Jetstar to a group opportunity list would only increase the training requirements.
When AFAP was pushing for integration to Qantas Mainline, Strong stated he would sell off the subsidiaries before allowing integration/group opportunities. Nothing has changed since.
The only positive I see would be, making available a pool of candidates(whom would not have otherwise applied) should some pilot shortage occur. Maybe improving subsidiary engagement levels in the process.
Best of luck though to you guys & girls cause you deserve better in my opinion. Isn't there 296 slots comming up over the next 3 years at the big Q? When the A380 arrives anyway!
This is not my opinion as to how to manage subsidiary employees, just the observed facts.
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QF is looking for a place to park their cadets.....
AIPA is looking for as much support from "Q" employees as possible to fight against privatisation....
Why not give those dash drivers a warm fuzzy feeling that they may be able to move across to mainline.
Will go the same way as the two Jetstar expressions of interest... No where..
AIPA is looking for as much support from "Q" employees as possible to fight against privatisation....
Why not give those dash drivers a warm fuzzy feeling that they may be able to move across to mainline.
Will go the same way as the two Jetstar expressions of interest... No where..
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The Townsville refueler told a friend of mine that even though Qantas recognises that the Eastern and Sunstate Pilots "are a know source, conforming to the Qantas Standard" will still have to apply just like everyone else and give Qantas permission to access relevant training, checking and recruitment records held by Eastern and Sunstate. If however the candidate has a 3 or above average for FT9's over the past 2 years an Exemption will be available in one of these 3 areas, Education, Skills testing, or Psychometric testing.... so much for a known source already conforming to the Qantas Standard.
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Can second the fact that Mainline want to put cadets through QL... dunno specifics but I understand that was part of the deal. Good onya guys. Best of luck. Lets keep everyone moving up through the industry.
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dreams turn into nightmares
dont get carried away,boys and girls from ql,sometimes dreams turn into nightmares.
just maybe due to the selection process and your one allowance for education,sych and so forth you actually get offered a position!
so lets start with the decision you then have to make
1.resign and start at the bottom year dot
2.be a s/o for the next five years minimum on any type that qf wants/the worst bid for flying rosters imagineable
3.staff travel back to 72y/j a retiree has more benefits
4.wax your moustache and dont ever call a capt by his first name or wear shorts on a layover in bkk and dont even talk to the cc
5. last but not least pay/which opens up a wide range of issues that i am sure you all can play along such as different pay scales.less is more qf attitude and just be thankful and kiss our shoes we offered you a position
so sounds too good to be true .i agree just a blatant ohh sh*t from the top on stopping transition to jungle jets and to try and at least stop dedicated professionals who for to long have been passed over from walking.
last but not least i am sure a dash has a better view and no long 11 hour boring flts stuck next to some toss bag who thinks his you know what doesnt stink cheers thats all folks
just maybe due to the selection process and your one allowance for education,sych and so forth you actually get offered a position!
so lets start with the decision you then have to make
1.resign and start at the bottom year dot
2.be a s/o for the next five years minimum on any type that qf wants/the worst bid for flying rosters imagineable
3.staff travel back to 72y/j a retiree has more benefits
4.wax your moustache and dont ever call a capt by his first name or wear shorts on a layover in bkk and dont even talk to the cc
5. last but not least pay/which opens up a wide range of issues that i am sure you all can play along such as different pay scales.less is more qf attitude and just be thankful and kiss our shoes we offered you a position
so sounds too good to be true .i agree just a blatant ohh sh*t from the top on stopping transition to jungle jets and to try and at least stop dedicated professionals who for to long have been passed over from walking.
last but not least i am sure a dash has a better view and no long 11 hour boring flts stuck next to some toss bag who thinks his you know what doesnt stink cheers thats all folks
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This whole stunt is nothing more than that.
As already stated it will go down the same road as the JQ EOI's. What a joke that was.
T&C Capts being told that "you are not suitable or uncompetitive" Yet any F/O that puts in a CV is getting the nod.
Asking QL guys/gals to jump through all these BS hoops AGAIN is nothing more than madness. Only after 2 yrs service can you be considered. Funny that after 2 yrs one has to do P&S and all the other BS again. Don't worry about the excellent FT9's and clean record and known quantity etc.
That counts for zippo!!!!!!!!!
If these people expect very qualified people to do all this nonsense again, lets set a precedent where all those in QF have to jump through the same hoops again shall we. I would love to see many of those "older experienced gentlemen"(and we know who they are) go through all this BS.
Many wouldn't even know what Psych and Skills was. Many of the old guard wouldn't even have attended yr 12, let alone passes in Maths,Physics,English,etc etc.
I'm not canning anyone, but if this is an Equal Opportunity organisation its only fair that EVERYBODY has to jump through the same hoops.
Because we all know that SHL know how to fly an aeroplane.
What a crock of sh1t.
As already stated it will go down the same road as the JQ EOI's. What a joke that was.
T&C Capts being told that "you are not suitable or uncompetitive" Yet any F/O that puts in a CV is getting the nod.
Asking QL guys/gals to jump through all these BS hoops AGAIN is nothing more than madness. Only after 2 yrs service can you be considered. Funny that after 2 yrs one has to do P&S and all the other BS again. Don't worry about the excellent FT9's and clean record and known quantity etc.
That counts for zippo!!!!!!!!!
If these people expect very qualified people to do all this nonsense again, lets set a precedent where all those in QF have to jump through the same hoops again shall we. I would love to see many of those "older experienced gentlemen"(and we know who they are) go through all this BS.
Many wouldn't even know what Psych and Skills was. Many of the old guard wouldn't even have attended yr 12, let alone passes in Maths,Physics,English,etc etc.
I'm not canning anyone, but if this is an Equal Opportunity organisation its only fair that EVERYBODY has to jump through the same hoops.
Because we all know that SHL know how to fly an aeroplane.
What a crock of sh1t.
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why dont the cadets have the same criteria ?surly with their one fifty hours of untold experience & their two years as a s/o ,tuning radios and signing fuel chits they would pass. lets put it into perspective .
dash capt/f/o minimum 8000 hr /cadet 150hr and twin experience .as for the old blazer and tie /tea at five brigade they wouldnt be able to pass the potatoes
dash capt/f/o minimum 8000 hr /cadet 150hr and twin experience .as for the old blazer and tie /tea at five brigade they wouldnt be able to pass the potatoes
chemical ali - are you seriously suggesting that guys should turn down the offer to earn ~$140K (as second officers)...? Sure, they might not be flying the Dash 8 out to Dubbo, but I given the opportunity to swap rosters, and lifestyles, I know what I would rather be doing...
What promotional prospects do QantasLink pilots have beyond Dash 8 Captain? I'm not having a go at all of the boys & girls, but merely suggesting that there may yet be green grass on the other side of the fence (or at the very least access to the green grass which was previously denied).
Given the choice between Dash 8 captain in Sydney on ~$90K and S/O on the B744 in Sydney on ~$140K I know what I would choose...
Before anyone wades in with the argument that "No wonder Qantas is struggling as S/O's are so expensive" - consider that SIA crew their similar long haul flights with 2 x Captains & 2 x First Officers - at much greater expense than Qantas crewing complement...
What promotional prospects do QantasLink pilots have beyond Dash 8 Captain? I'm not having a go at all of the boys & girls, but merely suggesting that there may yet be green grass on the other side of the fence (or at the very least access to the green grass which was previously denied).
Given the choice between Dash 8 captain in Sydney on ~$90K and S/O on the B744 in Sydney on ~$140K I know what I would choose...
Before anyone wades in with the argument that "No wonder Qantas is struggling as S/O's are so expensive" - consider that SIA crew their similar long haul flights with 2 x Captains & 2 x First Officers - at much greater expense than Qantas crewing complement...