Qantas in the ****ter

[Icarus2001]

Equating a broken toilet at dispatch with a U/S weather radar is a l o n g stretch.

Our MEL does not permit flight into areas of known or forecast CB or even turbulence associated with large Cu if the radar is U/S.

Now back to the point, a two hour flight and only one toilet?

So why should CC have refused to depart?

[jack red]

Icarus I didn't realise you only flew lighties. Jet transport aircraft have two wx radars, if one goes u/s the MEL allows flight into areas of TS and turbulence provided the other one is seviceable. Only an idiot would despatch with one serviceable because if the other one goes cactus you're in the smuck !

Claret think about it Mate! You already stated

The No1 CC and F/O and I discussed the pros and cons of an enroute 'tech' diversion to prevent some poor soul soiling themselves,

..............if you had despatched with two toilets serviceable this would never had been a problem!
You didn't come up through the cadet scheme per chance? Don't let the MEL & bully QF management rule your life. Use common sense and think about the crew and passengers for a change.

[Martin VanNostrum]

Jack Red.........It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

[Capt Claret]

Well jack, aren't you just the font of all knowledge. And, you're able to resort to that old PPRuNe staple, name calling.

I've only been flying jet transport aircraft for 7 years, commands on two types, but yet to experience the luxury of two Wx radar.

I guess, based on your comment,

Only an idiot would despatch with one serviceable because if the other one goes cactus you're in the smuck !

there must be a lot of idiots out there, as I'd hazzard a guess that if the MEL allowed it and there were no other contrary indications more would fly with only one, than wouldn't. Afterall, my colleagues and I have been flying with only 1 radar for, for, well since Wx radar came on the sceene.

..............if you had despatched with two toilets serviceable this would never had been a problem!

Maybe. Maybe not. I'd suggest the mere fact that the F/O was able to render both dunnies serviceable means that both could easily be rendered unserviceable as they all share common plumbing.

Now, in the past I've flown that route with aircraft fitted with only one dunny. Should I refuse to operate the service and plunge the pax' plans into disarray because there's no toilet redundancy?

I now operate the service with either two or 3 dunnies, depending on the airframe. If one of three goes u/s should I throw pax plans into disarray?

If the dunnies were of the old pot under the seat variety, then with only one serviceable, and of very fixed holding capacity, then I'd have no problem insisting on a repair, as I have done in the past.

But with the current type, with all two/three dunnies feeding into a common holding tank, the question was; inconvenience close to 100pax whilst bits and bobs are sought to rectify the problem (which eluded gingerbeers for almost 2 weeks) or cause them some minor inconvenience in having to wait a bit to 'go'. I hold with my decision to opt for a little enroute inconvenience.

My final words, reflect on your own;

Use common sense and think about the crew and passengers for a change.

If you can't just resort to name calling....

[4SPOOLED]

If CC pulled the A/C from service due to 1 WC being U/S there would be some other moron on here saying what a stupid move to make.

Back in the real world of aviation we are payed to take punters from point A to point B, a glorified Bus driver so to speak, and we do it as quickly and cost effectivly as possible.

I doubt many Crews would ground an a/c due to a ****ter being blocked! In my level of aviation your happy to have all the instruments servicable and your even more excited when the ADF works (capt garmin is our copilot sitting on the right.....knee )

[Hugh Jarse]

Clarrie,

He called you a cadet.

I nearly wet my pants, I did

[Spitty42]

MEL clarification

Jack Red you are not understanding the whole premise of the MEL. These are devised with the "next failure mode" already considered. The risk of losing the second WXR has been calculated during the formulation of the MMEL. No further extrapolation is required....

[numbskull]

What's a weather radar MEL got to do with 12 blankets stuffed down a toilet. Get a grip on your ego's they're getting out of control.

I want to know who stuffed 12 blankets down the ****ter!!(and what in God's name was that FO thinking!!!- I hope he got a free coffee!!)

[company_spy]

there seems to be a campaign at the moment by certain CC members called "Screw the Roo" or words to that effect. The fact of the matter is that flushing blankets down the toilet only has the end effect of pi$$ing off the bloke who's job it is to clear the blankets out of a half full crapper tank. It would not seem a very smart thing to do, and on that basis one must question the recruiting process.

[RedTBar]

Company_spy,

I agree with you that the behaviour involved with sabotaging the aircraft with a blanket(s) is not smart at all and in fact an act of mindless stupidity.However to suggest as someone other than yourself did that this was part of an active campaign called screw the roo is speculative at best .The person that initially posted the suggestion that cabin crew would do something like this as a campaign against the company obviously wants to harm the reputation of cabin crew .

There are a number of cabin crew who are not impressed with the company just as there are engineers,pilots and just about any other area of staff as well who are unhappy with the company.It may well turn out that it is an individual in cabin crew who is responsible but I do not believe that it is a group who are doing this.The majority of cabin crew would never do anything like this as our argument is with the management and not with the engineers who have to fix this or the pax who is delayed .

There can be individuals in any group that display aberrant behaviour that the rest of their colleagues would never consider or condone.In just over 30 years of flying as cabin crew I have never seen or heard of anyone wanting to deliberately damage property belonging to anyone.

I ,like other cabin crew as well as engineers would like nothing more than to see the person (I hope that it is not persons) responsible caught and dealt with. Personally I do not believe that QF or any company has any position for a person that acts in this way.

[sydney s/h]

All this talk about the CC not going with regards to the dunnies being U/S.

As a CSM i have no authority whatsoever to make the call on an aircraft going U/S.

I speak to the Capt about cabin issues, he/she look in their books, call an engineer etc and then advise me to go ahead to board the pax or not.

We - CC- dont decide if the aircraft is airworthy or not.

[AnQrKa]

"The person that initially posted the suggestion that cabin crew would do something like this as a campaign against the company obviously wants to harm the reputation of cabin crew"

QF CC do a great job of harming thier own reputation. Crap service, militant unionist cranks wandering around the cabin treating the customers as a total inconvenience to party planning and aisle gossiping.

[sydney s/h]

Hey AnQrKa,

What do you do for a crust?

Apart from slagging Qantas Cabin Crew on here?

If you dont like us remember.... you have a choice.

[iceblock]

Sydney s/h,

In initial posts CC = Captain Claret, then in the last couple CC = Cabin Crew.

Hope this clears up the confusion.

[roamingwolf]

Hey AnQrka,

You know the old saying that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...well here's one you might recognise..

"Vikena, Yeah. All the ex an pilots are idiots. Nothing wrong with wildly generalised statements like that. Please, please please vikena, shed some light on your past - where did you come from cos EVERY pilots can be lumped into a generalised category if required. Its a slippery slope. Please tell me where you came from."

If you don't like wildly generalised statements about pilots then you should practice what you preach and shouldn't make them about cabin crew either or is that too complicated for you.

You sound like just another ex An pilot who is a tad bitter or is that too generalised for you..

[AnQrKa]

hey roaming wolf, most crew I know living in Asia have commented on the poor demeanour and generally crap service offered by QF - especially when compared to local carriers such as thai, cathay etc. QF legroom is far better though and the 330IFE is great. But dont expect too much from the 30 years plus seniorority of the longhaulers from LHR on 744. Been dishing out coffee for a tad too long. I am occasionally a full fare customer on QF LH when forced to be and have provided this same feedback to QF via the official channels. My piloting past has little to do with my dissatisfaction as a customer.

[sydney s/h]

AnQrKa,

like i said - why fly on QF if you dont like us????

You have a choice. We arent the cheapest fare in town, always other airlines you can fly on - SO WHY DONT YOU!!

You mention you flew on QF from LHR. Why? Every bloody airline around flies out of the UK.Why would you fly on an airline who has "Crap service, militant unionist cranks wandering around the cabin treating the customers as a total inconvenience to party planning and aisle gossiping".

No way i'd spend my hard earned $$ if i thought that way about an airline on one of the worlds longest sectors.

You sound like a whinger who is sitting down the back and is used to being in the premium cabin and want that service from when you used to fly for Ansett.

[roamingwolf]

How not to generalize

AnQrKa,

I knew that my post would be beyond your comprehension although I had hoped that my example of your dislike for generalization would be understood.However with all your vast experience you can tell that all cabin crew are the same just as all pilots are the same.

Just as I thought though an Ex An pilot who has to live os to get a job and no you’re not bitter at QF at all….

Anyone who has the slightest understanding of cultural differences between Asia and western countries would know that comparing cabin crew of Asian airlines and those of western airlines is like comparing apples and oranges. I suppose you are loving the attention from all those Asian hosties and are terribly disappointed when you fly with a western airline.

I am curious as to how long you have been piloting as you put it?

As s/h said if you don’t like QF why then did you pay full fare to fly with us and not SIA or Thai.? As far as your understanding what we do as cabin crew I would have more idea of what it is like on the surface of Mars.

I suggest next time you are forced to fly home full fare that you fly an Asian carrier so that you can be pampered like the little boy you are. Don’t try to engage a hostie on one of those airlines in a conversation because you won’t get one but then it is not a conversation you want it...is it?

[AnQrKa]

Mate, wolfy, you really are barking up the wrong tree.

My interest or ability to obtain work in boring old oz has NOTHING to do with my comments wrt the crap that passes as customer service on QF. The amount of time spent as a pilot has no relevance either but I have spent A LOT OF TIME in the back, middle and front of an international airliner as full fare, staff and FFlyer.

If you actually read my post, I said I only travel QF when forced to. I would rather get home to oz on hols in the back of a QF “you should have asked me for wine when I was serving the meal” 330/744 when CX/SQ are full than not get home to oz at all. Understand.

No, I am not disappointed when I fly with western airlines – I fully expect to receive poor service compared to Asian or new Middle Eastern airlines. I am not surprised when I ask for water and get told to get it myself from a tap in the galley when traveling on QF.

I am not trying to offend you personally or query your motives or experience or history (like you have about me). I am just passing along an OPINION wrt to the service levels I have experienced at QF compared to airlines such as the ones I mentioned. It is an opinion shared by a lot of customers – you know the ones. That pay full fare.

What amazes me is the attitude of Syd s/h namely – don’t fly with us then.

Are you for real?

[roamingwolf]

There's the rub AnQrka,

You have offended me personally by generalizing about all QF cabin crew as well as other non Asian and middle eastern airlines cabin crew especially when I pointed out that in a previous post of yours you did not like a generalization about ex An pilots being made.

It's easy when you can make as remark about another group in society but you don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot.I don't know what part of Asia you are living in but I suggest you try to get the translation for the word 'hypocrite .

Perhaps you might like to look at your own attitude to cabin crew and wonder why they treat you with such disdain.You usually get back what you dish out.

But the crux of your own attitude is summed up in your own words

"My interest or ability to obtain work in boring old oz has NOTHING to do with my comments wrt the crap that passes as customer service on QF"

If you find Australia so boring as you put it might I suggest you stay in Asia ,I think you be much more tolerated there. Australians usually tell it like it is