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I'm with you Remoak, it works both ways. Clearly the pilot who needs to tell the world about his/her profession and/or shut anyone down who displays their interest in aviation is lacking in some other area. Maybe try working by the general rule that if someone wants to know, they will ask.
On the same note though, if a newie wants to be a little bit proud of what they are getting into and crack out their uniform then good on them. The novelty should wear off. The disclaimer to this is that if this person has been flying for 15 years then maybe some questions need to be raised....
As far as the asic goes, I don't know about most people here but when I see one, I immediately think baggage handler. And if that's how you want to portray yourself, then go forth......
On the same note though, if a newie wants to be a little bit proud of what they are getting into and crack out their uniform then good on them. The novelty should wear off. The disclaimer to this is that if this person has been flying for 15 years then maybe some questions need to be raised....
As far as the asic goes, I don't know about most people here but when I see one, I immediately think baggage handler. And if that's how you want to portray yourself, then go forth......
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Remoak,
You hit the nail on the head. I was trying to say something along those lines but I guess I am not as articulate as yourself.
Notam, the last time I flew a 152 was 9 years ago.
You hit the nail on the head. I was trying to say something along those lines but I guess I am not as articulate as yourself.
Notam, the last time I flew a 152 was 9 years ago.
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or the even sadder crowd who feel the need to prove how superior they are because they DON'T want anyone to know what they do in aviation.
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I just don’t feel the need to unnecessarily broadcast it to boost my ego (i.e wearing my uniform when not required)!
"W@nkers" and "tools"
You may be higher up the food chain... but only a little higher.
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Remoak, no need to get so touchy 
All in good fun! Looks like you slot right into the category previously outlined!
P.S You didnt happen to be that guy at the last Avalon airshow parading around with a scanner attached to his belt, cranked right up by any chance?
All in good fun! Looks like you slot right into the category previously outlined!P.S You didnt happen to be that guy at the last Avalon airshow parading around with a scanner attached to his belt, cranked right up by any chance?
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With reference to the wearing of uniforms out in public, I personally don’t see anything wrong with going to the shops after work in your white shirt and blue pants (all the shiny stuff off of course )
For all those tossers out there that will drive all the way home to change your top, then drive back into town to get some milk and bread and then drive home.....Really think your not using your time wisely! Do you wear "civvy" clothing in your car on your way to work and change, just in case no other pilots may see you in your crappy little car on your way to work?
I’m with Tempo on this one, who gives a rats about what others think, its not like you look at someone walking around in a suit and then automatically assume he/she is a businessman/woman...OMG you have a suit on!
Or someone who owns/works for any building/trade, wearing their company polo or top with the logo on it...why don’t you all walk up to them and tell them that they too are tools (im sure you will get more than an earful in return!)
I think I am going to spend a few hours at the airport and give sh1t to all those that are wearing pilots uniforms, ask them if they are a pilot and why are they showing off....
How about, instead of giving crap to all those in uniform, start giving crap to all those that CANT WEAR A UNIFORM PROPERLY! Iron your shirt, tuck it in, wear a belt, do your tie up properly, do the top button up and polish your god damn shoes! If you are a professional pilot, look like one!
Now where did I put my beer
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)For all those tossers out there that will drive all the way home to change your top, then drive back into town to get some milk and bread and then drive home.....Really think your not using your time wisely! Do you wear "civvy" clothing in your car on your way to work and change, just in case no other pilots may see you in your crappy little car on your way to work?
I’m with Tempo on this one, who gives a rats about what others think, its not like you look at someone walking around in a suit and then automatically assume he/she is a businessman/woman...OMG you have a suit on!
Or someone who owns/works for any building/trade, wearing their company polo or top with the logo on it...why don’t you all walk up to them and tell them that they too are tools (im sure you will get more than an earful in return!)
I think I am going to spend a few hours at the airport and give sh1t to all those that are wearing pilots uniforms, ask them if they are a pilot and why are they showing off....
How about, instead of giving crap to all those in uniform, start giving crap to all those that CANT WEAR A UNIFORM PROPERLY! Iron your shirt, tuck it in, wear a belt, do your tie up properly, do the top button up and polish your god damn shoes! If you are a professional pilot, look like one!
Now where did I put my beer
CMN
Sadly this 'cheesedick' syndrome of wearing ID badges doesn't only fill aviation circles. Although today hanging around a GA airport where no ASIC is required, it's amazing to see lots of people walking around with their prized card displayed for all to see.
But the same goes for nearly anyone else out there in other industries, ride a bus or train into the CBD and see all the people wearing their company ID badges on public transport and it makes you wonder, why? Do you want the world to know your name and the company where you work?
Even watch most FAs, as soon as the doors are shut the ASICs go away in their pockets. I've never seen a QF or DJ pilot in the shops with their full uniform on, i've seen a few sans the bars but it was only my own knowledge that set them apart from anyone else, but i've certainly seen lots of GA warriors out there wearing bars and ASICs in locations they weren't needed.
I guess at the end of the day to each their own, but I don't care if it's an ASIC or any related company ID cards being displayed outside the workplace is unnecessary and a bit dicky.
But the same goes for nearly anyone else out there in other industries, ride a bus or train into the CBD and see all the people wearing their company ID badges on public transport and it makes you wonder, why? Do you want the world to know your name and the company where you work?
Even watch most FAs, as soon as the doors are shut the ASICs go away in their pockets. I've never seen a QF or DJ pilot in the shops with their full uniform on, i've seen a few sans the bars but it was only my own knowledge that set them apart from anyone else, but i've certainly seen lots of GA warriors out there wearing bars and ASICs in locations they weren't needed.
I guess at the end of the day to each their own, but I don't care if it's an ASIC or any related company ID cards being displayed outside the workplace is unnecessary and a bit dicky.
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I know first hand the dangers of wearing a uniform in public. I work for a regional airline, in the office answering phones. The uniform I wear is identical to the one worn by the flight attendants that work for my airline. i also wear an ASIC. The other day I was driving home from work and I got a flat tyre. I got out to have a look. I didn't realise it was so offensive to wear my uniform and cos it had been a long day at work i had forgotten to take my ASIC off. I was pulled over on the side of the main road to the airport.
All of a sudden a minivan carrying crew from another airline screeched to halt next to me and the flight attendants jumped out and pushed me to the ground. they were kicking me in the face and screaming "why are you wearing your uniform? do you think you're so good because you're a flight attendant!" then as i was laying on the ground bleeding from the face, the captain stepped out of the bus and snatched my ASIC. Then he knelt down next to me and whispered in my ear, "you should learn to guard your ASIC like a credit card." I started crying and they spat on me and drove off.
I rang the airline the next day to make a complaint and all they told me was "it's a well known rule that anyone in the aviation industry should not wear their uniform in public." they would take no responsibility for their employees so I rang a lawyer, but he informed me i had no case, apparently it's written in our constitution that pilots and other airline employees should never intentionally display insignia such as bars, wings or branded shirts that indicate that the person is or has ever been an airline employee.
If only i had visited this site last week, it could have saved me.
All of a sudden a minivan carrying crew from another airline screeched to halt next to me and the flight attendants jumped out and pushed me to the ground. they were kicking me in the face and screaming "why are you wearing your uniform? do you think you're so good because you're a flight attendant!" then as i was laying on the ground bleeding from the face, the captain stepped out of the bus and snatched my ASIC. Then he knelt down next to me and whispered in my ear, "you should learn to guard your ASIC like a credit card." I started crying and they spat on me and drove off.
I rang the airline the next day to make a complaint and all they told me was "it's a well known rule that anyone in the aviation industry should not wear their uniform in public." they would take no responsibility for their employees so I rang a lawyer, but he informed me i had no case, apparently it's written in our constitution that pilots and other airline employees should never intentionally display insignia such as bars, wings or branded shirts that indicate that the person is or has ever been an airline employee.
If only i had visited this site last week, it could have saved me.
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I know first hand the dangers of wearing a uniform in public. I work for a regional airline, in the office answering phones. The uniform I wear is identical to the one worn by the flight attendants that work for my airline. i also wear an ASIC. The other day I was driving home from work and I got a flat tyre. I got out to have a look. I didn't realise it was so offensive to wear my uniform and cos it had been a long day at work i had forgotten to take my ASIC off. I was pulled over on the side of the main road to the airport.
All of a sudden a minivan carrying crew from another airline screeched to halt next to me and the flight attendants jumped out and pushed me to the ground. they were kicking me in the face and screaming "why are you wearing your uniform? do you think you're so good because you're a flight attendant!" then as i was laying on the ground bleeding from the face, the captain stepped out of the bus and snatched my ASIC. Then he knelt down next to me and whispered in my ear, "you should learn to guard your ASIC like a credit card." I started crying and they spat on me and drove off.
I rang the airline the next day to make a complaint and all they told me was "it's a well known rule that anyone in the aviation industry should not wear their uniform in public." they would take no responsibility for their employees so I rang a lawyer, but he informed me i had no case, apparently it's written in our constitution that pilots and other airline employees should never intentionally display insignia such as bars, wings or branded shirts that indicate that the person is or has ever been an airline employee.
If only i had visited this site last week, it could have saved me.
All of a sudden a minivan carrying crew from another airline screeched to halt next to me and the flight attendants jumped out and pushed me to the ground. they were kicking me in the face and screaming "why are you wearing your uniform? do you think you're so good because you're a flight attendant!" then as i was laying on the ground bleeding from the face, the captain stepped out of the bus and snatched my ASIC. Then he knelt down next to me and whispered in my ear, "you should learn to guard your ASIC like a credit card." I started crying and they spat on me and drove off.
I rang the airline the next day to make a complaint and all they told me was "it's a well known rule that anyone in the aviation industry should not wear their uniform in public." they would take no responsibility for their employees so I rang a lawyer, but he informed me i had no case, apparently it's written in our constitution that pilots and other airline employees should never intentionally display insignia such as bars, wings or branded shirts that indicate that the person is or has ever been an airline employee.
If only i had visited this site last week, it could have saved me.
Whoop, whoop wind-up alert.....
Funny read, had me in on the floor in stitches.
Roflmao
NOTAM: Please tell me you were kidding...
Geez NOTAM, that's one of the most insulting posts I've seen on here, and yes I've seen a lot.
Ok, I'm not a fan of wearing all the regalia in public either but to suggest that an instructor (on any type, size or shape of aeroplane), or ANY pilot for that matter, should not be proud is disgraceful. I hope you are not a pilot yourself.
Sure it may be seen by many as the lower end of the great big ladder that is the aviation industry but, as someone who's been there, I think we can all appreciate what is involved in obtaining those qualifications.
Perhaps you were born with an ATPL and 10,000 hours heavy jet time but the rest of us weren't. An awful lot of us slogged away in crappy jobs to pay for our lessons to then slog away for years building our hours, clawing our way through the industry.
We were all taught by instructors and be they either people using it as a stepping-stone in their career or as a life-time career they worked hard to get there and worked hard at getting the rest of us to where we are.
If you think that's nothing to be proud of please tear up your licence and find another profession, your attitude is not welcome in this industry.
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Full Dress Uniform
G'day ladies and gents,
I'm normally just a "lurker" on this forum, looking in from time to time to see whats making the news in aviation, but I thought that there is a business/marketing aspect of this thread that has so far been overlooked.
It was always known that the Air Race would attract a big crowd, and a crowd where many would know next to nothing about aviation. So if the race can attract any interest at all, it is worth exploiting by flying schools, aero clubs etc.
So if I owned a flying school, I would be encouraging as many of my instructors as possible to attend, in full uniform, and request that they circulate. Be seen by as many people as possible. Make sure your flying school name can be seen. Carry a few business cards (or brochures), but don't make it too obvious as you may come under scrutiny by the organisors.
If the Air Race can interest someone into learning to fly, your company's name may just be the first one they think of.
I know a bit of this happens at Avalon and does have a degree of success.
Best wishes everyone
I'm normally just a "lurker" on this forum, looking in from time to time to see whats making the news in aviation, but I thought that there is a business/marketing aspect of this thread that has so far been overlooked.
It was always known that the Air Race would attract a big crowd, and a crowd where many would know next to nothing about aviation. So if the race can attract any interest at all, it is worth exploiting by flying schools, aero clubs etc.
So if I owned a flying school, I would be encouraging as many of my instructors as possible to attend, in full uniform, and request that they circulate. Be seen by as many people as possible. Make sure your flying school name can be seen. Carry a few business cards (or brochures), but don't make it too obvious as you may come under scrutiny by the organisors.
If the Air Race can interest someone into learning to fly, your company's name may just be the first one they think of.
I know a bit of this happens at Avalon and does have a degree of success.
Best wishes everyone
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If you think that's nothing to be proud of please tear up your licence and find another profession, your attitude is not welcome in this industry.
Isn't interesting that those who complain about the egos of others, usually have planet-sized egos themselves? Not to mention a bad case of extreme arrogance. And when you call them on it, they always say "I was only joking" or "it was just in fun..."
Cheesedicks, indeed.
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"i want to be a pilot when i grow up" - how many kids have dreamt of this. Consider yourself lucky to be one of those kids and to have such a great occupation - definately ****s on bean counting all day in some cubicle (even if you are slogging away for pennies). Be proud of where you are - be it a newbie, an instructor, a bunglerat, bank runner, an airline pilot. In the end, we are all pilots - maybe if we respected ourselves as such, we might get the respect and conditions which we so desire.
Now, as for those who wear a uniform to air races and such (without having work duties at the place), thats a bit excessive! But good on you for being so proud!
As for those wearing uniforms to cargo, consider that it could be a special occasion, such as graduation - in honour of all of the pilot's hard work and effort that has earnt them the right to wear wings.
Now, as for those who wear a uniform to air races and such (without having work duties at the place), thats a bit excessive! But good on you for being so proud!
As for those wearing uniforms to cargo, consider that it could be a special occasion, such as graduation - in honour of all of the pilot's hard work and effort that has earnt them the right to wear wings.
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All very funny reading this thread. Definitely "whoop whoop wind-up alert".
The funny thing is it is pretty much only pilots who care about the "wearing of bars/uniform in public" debate. No one else really cares!
What we are so worried about is how we appear to the outside world i.e. those who are not pilots or in the aviation industry, and the reality is, the outside world mostly does not give a sh1t what we wear, and dont understand what the bars on you shoulder mean anyway, one is as good as four to them.
My point is at the end of the day, who cares what some guy was wearing, and don't we have bigger things to worry about?
The funny thing is it is pretty much only pilots who care about the "wearing of bars/uniform in public" debate. No one else really cares!
What we are so worried about is how we appear to the outside world i.e. those who are not pilots or in the aviation industry, and the reality is, the outside world mostly does not give a sh1t what we wear, and dont understand what the bars on you shoulder mean anyway, one is as good as four to them.
My point is at the end of the day, who cares what some guy was wearing, and don't we have bigger things to worry about?
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Bug Smasher Smasher: 
I rest my case!
Remoak:
Ok, I'm not a fan of wearing all the regalia in public either...
Remoak:
And when you call them on it, they always say "I was only joking" or "it was just in fun..."
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All very funny reading this thread. Definitely "whoop whoop wind-up alert".
The funny thing is it is pretty much only pilots who care about the "wearing of bars/uniform in public" debate. No one else really cares!
What we are so worried about is how we appear to the outside world i.e. those who are not pilots or in the aviation industry, and the reality is, the outside world mostly does not give a sh1t what we wear, and dont understand what the bars on you shoulder mean anyway, one is as good as four to them.
My point is at the end of the day, who cares what some guy was wearing, and don't we have bigger things to worry about?
The funny thing is it is pretty much only pilots who care about the "wearing of bars/uniform in public" debate. No one else really cares!
What we are so worried about is how we appear to the outside world i.e. those who are not pilots or in the aviation industry, and the reality is, the outside world mostly does not give a sh1t what we wear, and dont understand what the bars on you shoulder mean anyway, one is as good as four to them.
My point is at the end of the day, who cares what some guy was wearing, and don't we have bigger things to worry about?