Morale in QANTAS
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It's just my opinion, but I think Qantas has a bigger problem than low morale. With all the cuts in the various departments, pilots leaving, etc., I don't see how the company can continue to meet the needs of its customers. These measures might make the company look good in the short term to achieve a maximum price for sale, but they are impacting the long term viability. My last three return trips overseas on QF have all been late. Not by a few minutes, but by hours. The last flight I took involved a 14 hour delay either in the terminal or on the aircraft. Two aircraft went U/S and then a crew with spare hours had to be found. It wouldn't do me any good to complain. There are other airlines. The flights might not be direct, but at least I can be relatively confident of my arrival time. And people accuse the US government of protectionist policies!!!
If this proposed sale doesn't result in a speedy turnaround to current business practices, Qantas better pray that the Aussie pollies remain in its backpocket for the foreseeable future.
There was a discussion some time ago about SIA requesting access to the AUS-USA routes. There were responses for and against. Until QF has some real competition either in reality or as a viable threat, both in terms of purchasing and in employment terms, it will continue to carry on in its current manner.
If this proposed sale doesn't result in a speedy turnaround to current business practices, Qantas better pray that the Aussie pollies remain in its backpocket for the foreseeable future.
There was a discussion some time ago about SIA requesting access to the AUS-USA routes. There were responses for and against. Until QF has some real competition either in reality or as a viable threat, both in terms of purchasing and in employment terms, it will continue to carry on in its current manner.
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I was in Griffinblack's shoes (well, a blue suit rather than a green one) for a long time and have been with QF for a few years now. Repeating what I said before, it just ain't that easy. Hats off to you if you have a missus & kids who don't mind not knowing what's around the corner, where you'll be in 3 years time, or being dragged from pillar to post, or your working conditions being attacked. I dare say most of us don't. And there's no shortage of pilots who thought they did, only to return one day to an empty house.
Pilots and other staff don't want to leave Qantas because it has traditionally been a very good stable airline with excellent conditions and based in Oz. Despite that, they still want to express their anger & disappointment with what is being done to the company on all fronts at the moment and they bloody well have a right to. If you don't like it, don't read it. Stop whinging about people whinging, and until you've actually left the job you thought you'd hold until retirement, stop saying "just leave" as if you can simply snap your fingers and teleport yourself to a Tahitian beach with local girls serving you pina-coladas and seafood platters until you die (very happily).
Regarding the ADF treating their people like human beings. Where do I start? For those who hold it, that is an extraordinarily naive point of view. Despite certain exceptions and unit cameraderie, the ADF is anything but a "people-friendly" organisation in the longer term, irrespective of the benefits like housing etc. My experience was of a notoriously inefficient and bloated bureaucracy, with a substantial proportion of poor leaders and managers, and I know through my contacts that nothing much has changed!
Pilots and other staff don't want to leave Qantas because it has traditionally been a very good stable airline with excellent conditions and based in Oz. Despite that, they still want to express their anger & disappointment with what is being done to the company on all fronts at the moment and they bloody well have a right to. If you don't like it, don't read it. Stop whinging about people whinging, and until you've actually left the job you thought you'd hold until retirement, stop saying "just leave" as if you can simply snap your fingers and teleport yourself to a Tahitian beach with local girls serving you pina-coladas and seafood platters until you die (very happily).
Regarding the ADF treating their people like human beings. Where do I start? For those who hold it, that is an extraordinarily naive point of view. Despite certain exceptions and unit cameraderie, the ADF is anything but a "people-friendly" organisation in the longer term, irrespective of the benefits like housing etc. My experience was of a notoriously inefficient and bloated bureaucracy, with a substantial proportion of poor leaders and managers, and I know through my contacts that nothing much has changed!
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I think the fundamental point in all this is why can't one of the worlds best airlines have pay and conditions that are one of the worlds best? If the management are saying they aren't competetive with these pays and conditions, is this reflected in profits? What other factors effect it's ability to compete?
I would agree that the industry is changing but for who? Shareholders, punters or staff? There will always be a place for QANTAS and it's conditions should reflect the pride and quality of the company, it didn't get to where it is by being a low cost carrier and GD and cohorts should stop thinking of it as one.
As for people leaving if they don't like it, why should they? We have a world class airline and it's employees should be able to get pays that reflect this.
Selah
I would agree that the industry is changing but for who? Shareholders, punters or staff? There will always be a place for QANTAS and it's conditions should reflect the pride and quality of the company, it didn't get to where it is by being a low cost carrier and GD and cohorts should stop thinking of it as one.
As for people leaving if they don't like it, why should they? We have a world class airline and it's employees should be able to get pays that reflect this.
Selah
