What's going to replace Air NZ's 733's?
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What's going to replace Air NZ's 733's?
Any opinions as to what may be on the drawing board for ANZ's replacement/renewal of the 733's come 2009?
The A320 seems a bit big for most sectors.
The A320 seems a bit big for most sectors.
What about EMB-195s? I'm sure they would complement the A320s well, probably have better economics than the A318, even with the single cockpit. Use the E-jet on less dense services and put the A320 on for peak periods. Much of course will depend on what savings ANZ can get out of the Freedom Air subsidiary which will probably take over the operations on NZ domestic services.
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Don't be daft
Airbus A319's of course.
Therefore only three fleet types in the airline, Airbus 320/319, Boeing 787 and 777.
Three fleet types, three groups of Tech Crew, two groups of Cabin Crew.
Simple.
Therefore only three fleet types in the airline, Airbus 320/319, Boeing 787 and 777.
Three fleet types, three groups of Tech Crew, two groups of Cabin Crew.
Simple.
Going Boeing
B733 is here to 2012 at least, no replacement plans yet.
Remember Air NZ has 6 of the last 20 off the production line and are 1999/2000 build aircraft, so the are not that old.
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Any thing is possible - the ultimate answer will be in the economics.
Only one thing is certain: No matter what the outcome there are sure to be some unhappy pilots somewhere.
Only one thing is certain: No matter what the outcome there are sure to be some unhappy pilots somewhere.
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I had thought the 777/787 cockpit commonality/CCQ idea was one of the selling points for 777/787 as a package.
Arhmmmm! Fush'n'chups people!
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AirNZ only got the A320s because they couldn't back out of a deal previously signed by Ansett.
AirNZ have always been a loyal Boeing customer.
Having said that..the Skodas are going good now since they got over initial teething troubles. Same engines as 73 NGs too.
whoops..cfm..vs v2500..sorry research error
AirNZ have always been a loyal Boeing customer.
Having said that..the Skodas are going good now since they got over initial teething troubles. Same engines as 73 NGs too.
whoops..cfm..vs v2500..sorry research error
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I always thought the Deathstar had better economics over the 3-4 hours ssectors that Air NZ bought them for.
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733 replacement is not even tabled to be examined untill 2010, know that saying don't f**k with what works? Yeah well...
Highly unlikely that airbus is an option.
Q400? Stop smoking that stuff cuz random drug testing is now in the workplace.
My bet is that the smaller cousin of the 787 is what you will see operating the domestic network come 2012-13
The A320 is not popular on the domestic network as the Cargo cans are to slow to load...
Highly unlikely that airbus is an option.
Q400? Stop smoking that stuff cuz random drug testing is now in the workplace.
My bet is that the smaller cousin of the 787 is what you will see operating the domestic network come 2012-13
The A320 is not popular on the domestic network as the Cargo cans are to slow to load...
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My bet is that the smaller cousin of the 787 is what you will see operating the domestic network come 2012-13
The A320 is not popular on the domestic network as the Cargo cans are to slow to load...
The A320 is not popular on the domestic network as the Cargo cans are to slow to load...
and if the 787 is as good as its hype suggests (will let you know when I get my grubby hands on one in 2010) then boeing will transfer the technology to a new single aisle 150-180 seat machine, as the 737-900 and ER versions are pushing the limits of what is effectively a 40 year old design.Back to the present day, I cant see why Air NZ are struggling to load cargo cans....where I work we operate a shedload of 320's/321's and can easily turn them around in 40 minutes...with half the infrastructure Air NZ has at its disposal. I suspect the issue is having years of the same thing (B737) and just not liking a change.
Direct operating costs B733 vs A320-200
The A320 achieves a 7% - 9% saving depending on sector length and utilization.
Having said all of that, everytime you fly the Aerboos, it calls you a retard
so that cant be good
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NZ domestic turnarounds with the 733s are generally 30 min....less if running behind schedule. Not likely to be able to do that with a can equipped Airbus....BUT Freedom ordered their A320s without cans i.e. all bulk loaded so you aren't necessarily stuck with cans. Isn't the 318 bulk loaded too?
Anyway, agree that the 733s may be around for some time yet.
Anyway, agree that the 733s may be around for some time yet.
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What might be instructive is if anyone knows how easy and JetBlue get on with their A320 turnarounds. Eg. time, cans or no-cans?
Or Jetstar, for that matter?
Or Jetstar, for that matter?
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Easy dont use cans......and I know Easy target a 25min turn..but regularly achieve 20 mins.
Its all about what you want to achieve in schedule vs utilization, the 320 is perfectly capable of 25 min turns, with the correct processes in place
But your still called a retard
Its all about what you want to achieve in schedule vs utilization, the 320 is perfectly capable of 25 min turns, with the correct processes in place
But your still called a retard
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Easyjet do get some pretty phenomenal turnaround times out of their 319s, but I don't think you'll see Air NZ adopting the 'board at both ends, everyone for themselves' concept which cuts boarding time at least in half.
I wouldn't be suprised to see baby busses on the domestic run. I guess it will all hinge on how good this 737 replacement will be.
I wouldn't be suprised to see baby busses on the domestic run. I guess it will all hinge on how good this 737 replacement will be.
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As long as boeing get rid of those bloody annoying 737 trim wheels!!
I had a play in a 737-400 sim a couple of weeks back (practising my slow rolls
) whilst waiting for our sim to get fixed, and that damned trim wheel was driving me up the wall...Mr Boeing need to fix that first!
I had a play in a 737-400 sim a couple of weeks back (practising my slow rolls
) whilst waiting for our sim to get fixed, and that damned trim wheel was driving me up the wall...Mr Boeing need to fix that first!