Qantas pilots hit turbulence with JetStar
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Qantas pilots hit turbulence with JetStar
Title of article in the Australian July 21 ,page 2 no less.
Poor little Alan Joyce thinks Qantas pilots are "vastly uncompetitive with the rest of the aviation market"
Could he please explain how Qantas made such a large profit despite these over paid ,under worked ,recalcitrant Qantas pilots he so obviously despises. Or does driving costs down to JetStar pay and conditions deliver Mr Joyce a nice fat bonus?
"Mr Joyce said Jetstar believed the salaries it was offering pilots reflected market rates and said this was backed by the fact that Jetstar had more than 1000 applications from pilots"
Well Mr Joyce there is a big difference between an application and a firm acceptance of an offer. Just how many firm "acceptances" do you have?
You must obviously be swamped with "acceptances" of a job with such world competitive pay and conditions.
"It is true a Jetstar captain can be paid about $100,000 less than a Qantas captain ,but we believe a salary of $180,000-plus for a 330 captain is very good, and it's the market rates" he said.( Mr Joyce)
Sorry Mr Joyce I must be reading the wrong JetStar Certified Agreement.
My copy reads $160,000 for a "wide body" captain not $180,000 ++ as you proport.Unless of course there are deals to be done in order to get the numbers you need with this world beating market rate.
I guess time will tell if Mr Joyce really does "know the industry" ,won't we.
Poor little Alan Joyce thinks Qantas pilots are "vastly uncompetitive with the rest of the aviation market"
Could he please explain how Qantas made such a large profit despite these over paid ,under worked ,recalcitrant Qantas pilots he so obviously despises. Or does driving costs down to JetStar pay and conditions deliver Mr Joyce a nice fat bonus?
"Mr Joyce said Jetstar believed the salaries it was offering pilots reflected market rates and said this was backed by the fact that Jetstar had more than 1000 applications from pilots"
Well Mr Joyce there is a big difference between an application and a firm acceptance of an offer. Just how many firm "acceptances" do you have?
You must obviously be swamped with "acceptances" of a job with such world competitive pay and conditions.
"It is true a Jetstar captain can be paid about $100,000 less than a Qantas captain ,but we believe a salary of $180,000-plus for a 330 captain is very good, and it's the market rates" he said.( Mr Joyce)
Sorry Mr Joyce I must be reading the wrong JetStar Certified Agreement.
My copy reads $160,000 for a "wide body" captain not $180,000 ++ as you proport.Unless of course there are deals to be done in order to get the numbers you need with this world beating market rate.
I guess time will tell if Mr Joyce really does "know the industry" ,won't we.
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Spot on max AJ has been known to tell porky's. I also would like to know how many of these applicants have accepted positions with Jet* after they read the CA 
Spin and more spin
This magical $100K salary-difference number keeps cropping up in every article too. But I'd like to see a comparison of like with like (ie QF A330-J*A330... not QF 747-400 pay) proving it.
I'm not convinced any QF A330 captain is on $280K even including travel allowances and therein lies the rub. IF J* will REALLY pay it's A330 Captains $180K then why can't existing QF-group pilots have a crack at the slots too? The figures repeatedly quoted imply the pay differential is NOT as big as some would have us believe and, just like Australian Wetlease in Cairns, some pilots may find the opportunity appealing.
To be 'locked out' over petty point scoring or potential 'pollution' of the mystical low-cost culture is as puerile as anything some here would accuse QF management of doing! On second thoughts... QED!
I'm not convinced any QF A330 captain is on $280K even including travel allowances and therein lies the rub. IF J* will REALLY pay it's A330 Captains $180K then why can't existing QF-group pilots have a crack at the slots too? The figures repeatedly quoted imply the pay differential is NOT as big as some would have us believe and, just like Australian Wetlease in Cairns, some pilots may find the opportunity appealing.
To be 'locked out' over petty point scoring or potential 'pollution' of the mystical low-cost culture is as puerile as anything some here would accuse QF management of doing! On second thoughts... QED!
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Currently QF A330 drivers are getting nowhere near 280k.
Hourly rate=206
Divisor=160
Number of divisors p.a 6.52
= approx 215k pa
Add allowances of 20K
=235k
Now, the divisor is down due to the A380 elect getting their Airbus experience up so a full divisor of 175 would add 20k to the total.
The low divisor also has the number of BL holders up. They are getting even less.
Hourly rate=206
Divisor=160
Number of divisors p.a 6.52
= approx 215k pa
Add allowances of 20K
=235k
Now, the divisor is down due to the A380 elect getting their Airbus experience up so a full divisor of 175 would add 20k to the total.
The low divisor also has the number of BL holders up. They are getting even less.
Last edited by The_Cutest_of_Borg; 25th Jul 2006 at 00:01.
Heard a rumour that a group of Qantas mainline A330 drivers had approached Jetstar, to work under JetStar terms & conditions on the A330, but were knocked back - not wanted (despite being type rated, and currently flying THE VERY AIRCRAFT that JetStar are looking to crew) 
Heard a rumour that a group of Qantas mainline A330 drivers had approached Jetstar, to work under JetStar terms & conditions on the A330, but were knocked back - not wanted (despite being type rated, and currently flying THE VERY AIRCRAFT that JetStar are looking to crew)
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Because they can see the writing on the wall and would like to secure a position for the future!
It wouldn't be the first time...
It wouldn't be the first time...
Yeah, well I can see the merit in that
Resign from QF so you can take up a command in Jetstar because they (Jetstar) are going to take over the world. Right?
If some of the so called 'drivers' want to quit and go to Jetstar then more power to them I say. (Particularly all those that are senior to me.
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Resign from QF so you can take up a command in Jetstar because they (Jetstar) are going to take over the world. Right?If some of the so called 'drivers' want to quit and go to Jetstar then more power to them I say. (Particularly all those that are senior to me.
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Dear Mr AJ,
There are no J* shareholders (well except for your fat bonus scam) but there are lots and lots of QF group shareholders.
Do what is right for the group and stop your anti QFness. You will only bring everybody down!
Yes, AIPA are just as bad, but you are supposedly a corporate leader! Grow up and act like one! Keep the slanging match out of the papers. You should be supportive (at least externally) of the entire QF group! Do not play off another segment of the company.
You make me sick!
There are no J* shareholders (well except for your fat bonus scam) but there are lots and lots of QF group shareholders.
Do what is right for the group and stop your anti QFness. You will only bring everybody down!
Yes, AIPA are just as bad, but you are supposedly a corporate leader! Grow up and act like one! Keep the slanging match out of the papers. You should be supportive (at least externally) of the entire QF group! Do not play off another segment of the company.
You make me sick!
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More irony:-
From AIPA Insights 26 April 06
New Office Manager
This week our new Office Manager, Peter Somerville, commenced full time employment at AIPA.* Peter comes to us from the Australian Salaried Medical Officers Federation (ASMOF), where he served as Executive Director for the last seven years.* During that time, despite the health system seemingly lurching from crisis to crisis, he was successful in establishing ASMOF as an influential player in the national and state debate over health, particularly during the national medical indemnity crisis in late 2003 and the inquiry into Campbelltown and Camden Hospitals in 2004.* Most recently Peter has achieved significant pay rises for senior doctors in NSW, finalising a four-year twelve per cent deal in 2005 and winning further increases expected to be around 13% in an arbitrated case before the NSW Industrial Relations Commission to be handed down shortly.* We look forward to utilising Peter’s expertise in the coming years to further the interests of technical aircrew.
CEO Jetstar Bio (from Google search)
Alan Joyce was appointed Chief Executive Officer of Jetstar in October 2003. Alan has more than 16 years' experience in the airline industry, principally in fleet and network planning and business improvement. Most recently he worked for Qantas Airways as Group General Manager Network, responsible for Network Strategy, Network Analysis, Schedules Planning and Schedules Variation. Prior to his role at Qantas, he worked at Ansett Airlines in a variety of roles including Vice President / General Manager Network and Schedules Planning and Route Development Manager. Prior to Ansett, he had started his working career with the Irish National Airline, Aer Lingus.
I hope the Pres has control of his "experienced" New Office Manager.
From AIPA Insights 26 April 06
New Office Manager
This week our new Office Manager, Peter Somerville, commenced full time employment at AIPA.* Peter comes to us from the Australian Salaried Medical Officers Federation (ASMOF), where he served as Executive Director for the last seven years.* During that time, despite the health system seemingly lurching from crisis to crisis, he was successful in establishing ASMOF as an influential player in the national and state debate over health, particularly during the national medical indemnity crisis in late 2003 and the inquiry into Campbelltown and Camden Hospitals in 2004.* Most recently Peter has achieved significant pay rises for senior doctors in NSW, finalising a four-year twelve per cent deal in 2005 and winning further increases expected to be around 13% in an arbitrated case before the NSW Industrial Relations Commission to be handed down shortly.* We look forward to utilising Peter’s expertise in the coming years to further the interests of technical aircrew.
CEO Jetstar Bio (from Google search)
Alan Joyce was appointed Chief Executive Officer of Jetstar in October 2003. Alan has more than 16 years' experience in the airline industry, principally in fleet and network planning and business improvement. Most recently he worked for Qantas Airways as Group General Manager Network, responsible for Network Strategy, Network Analysis, Schedules Planning and Schedules Variation. Prior to his role at Qantas, he worked at Ansett Airlines in a variety of roles including Vice President / General Manager Network and Schedules Planning and Route Development Manager. Prior to Ansett, he had started his working career with the Irish National Airline, Aer Lingus.
I hope the Pres has control of his "experienced" New Office Manager.
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FM, a valid point however, i would imagine that he didnt have much experience in the medical field either before starting there!! These guys are number crunchers and are good at selling it!! Maybe a fresh look at things is not such a bad thing!!
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Mr Joyce said Jetstar believed the salaries it was offering pilots reflected market rates and said this was backed by the fact that Jetstar had more than 1000 applications from pilots
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Yeah and the basic rate for a mcdonalds fry fryer, burger flipper or bin cleaner for that matter is around $17. 40 hr week and that around $35000 grand a year. Plus cleaning allowance.
No $60000-$100000 to get your licence.
No $30000 to get your endorsement.
No annual medical.....$
No $500-$1000 for the priviledge for a interview.
About $10000 in tax over 10 years...
10 years at maccas still on the fry station = $350,000 + pay rises ( they get 4% without an argument) - $10000 (tax) = $508000.
10 years at J* = 5 years F/O @ $80000 + 5 years capt @ $130000 (NO YEARLY INCREMENTS, not entitled to those as an airline employee...= $1050000. Less about $300000 in tax. Less Costs of job @ approx $120000.
Work at J* for 10 and net around.....$630000.
There you have it folks.
Oh, and maccas pay straight 9% on your super into a fund of your choice, no tricks, no promises just the cash.
Someone else can do the numbers there....enjoy your job at J* girls and boys....
No $60000-$100000 to get your licence.
No $30000 to get your endorsement.
No annual medical.....$
No $500-$1000 for the priviledge for a interview.
About $10000 in tax over 10 years...
10 years at maccas still on the fry station = $350,000 + pay rises ( they get 4% without an argument) - $10000 (tax) = $508000.
10 years at J* = 5 years F/O @ $80000 + 5 years capt @ $130000 (NO YEARLY INCREMENTS, not entitled to those as an airline employee...= $1050000. Less about $300000 in tax. Less Costs of job @ approx $120000.
Work at J* for 10 and net around.....$630000.
There you have it folks.
Oh, and maccas pay straight 9% on your super into a fund of your choice, no tricks, no promises just the cash.
Someone else can do the numbers there....enjoy your job at J* girls and boys....