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from the latest CC News they are looking for EP instructors at Jetstar at the SYD MEL and guess what BKK base!
What could this mean? that the BKK based crew will be transferred to the NEW Jet* base in BKK.
Hmm looks like someone let the cat out of the bag a bit too early!
here is the article
Expressions of interest
Qantas Emergency Procedures (EP)
Instructors
An opportunity exists for Qantas EP
Instructors to train Jetstar Initial A330 Cabin
Crew in Sydney, Melbourne and Bangkok.
If successful, you would be granted Leave
Without Pay and receive a fixed-term salary
for 4-6 months prior to returning to your
normal working position with Qantas.
For further details please call me on
(03) 8628 3935.
Russell Higgins
Manager Training and Development
Jetstar
What could this mean? that the BKK based crew will be transferred to the NEW Jet* base in BKK.
Hmm looks like someone let the cat out of the bag a bit too early!
here is the article
Expressions of interest
Qantas Emergency Procedures (EP)
Instructors
An opportunity exists for Qantas EP
Instructors to train Jetstar Initial A330 Cabin
Crew in Sydney, Melbourne and Bangkok.
If successful, you would be granted Leave
Without Pay and receive a fixed-term salary
for 4-6 months prior to returning to your
normal working position with Qantas.
For further details please call me on
(03) 8628 3935.
Russell Higgins
Manager Training and Development
Jetstar
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The EP trainers is just the start of things to come. Its all go my friends.
indamiddle, I think our managers have better things to be doing than reading the
that is on this site wouldnt you say.
indamiddle, I think our managers have better things to be doing than reading the
that is on this site wouldnt you say.
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here here.onya hawkeye
that is exactly wher it is
Originally Posted by hawke eye
A couple of points.
that is exactly where it is!
"why dont you call the union and ask them?"
I stopped calling the union when every time I called I was told no official was available and to leave my name and they would call me back.
Once , twice maybe, but at leats 8 times is a joke.
If this is what reducing the number of elected officials causes then it is time to go back to too many officials, at least someone was there to take a call. Am i the only one that has experienced this level of union service.It seems the only time you get some officials time is if you have a clause 11.I don't bother calling anymore. I just want someone different to vote for who will pick up a phone when I call.
The other genius remark was made only recently by FAAAs MM suggesting we shouldn't beat around the bush.We should accept we are the most expensive qf crew. Forgive me for suggesting that our conditions were fought for by previous members and officials to achieve a wage that is commensurate with the tasks , skills, and hours required of us. We are shift workers who can be rostered up to 17 hours and extended to 20 under certain conditions.When was the last time an office worker was required to turn up for a 17 hour day on a regular occurence.Forget no loadings for Xmas , public holidays, weekends etc like most other shift workers in australia receive.When was the last time our office workers were required to sit for an extremely stressful exam twice yearly every year.
Let's NOT beat around the bush. We have a set of skills which has continually recovered thousands of customers for the business. Not every one can handle people who are jammed in like sardines and make them feel we offer a better service and genuineness they know they wont get from most other airlines.Our UK crew who were formerly aussie based have been recognised for their skills by the Company offering a sweetener of 10 000k. Why offer it if they have not offered a value or if their skill level doesn't justify it.
To suggest we are expensive as though we should almost be ashamed of it or why it makes it harder to negotiate on our behalf is not the way to go.I have no doubt anyone from the ACTU reading that newsletter would have apoplexy. I would expect our union to highlight that for the work we do we are on a reasonable pay. The fact that SHaul has accepted to do our flying for less conditions should be criticised and some serious backroom discussions held with our SHaul colleagues for how it has potentially undermined their fellow LHaul colleagues and how it needs to be rectified in the next EBA. If our divisional (short and long) Faaa reps can't come to terms, then bring out the issues publicly to both LHaul and SHaul crew and let them decide whether we are better off with one division united or two divisions where the reps seem to never quite agree.We shouldn't be lectured that by inference we should be copping tough times sweet because we are more expensive than others.We need to educate , remind and state if we are more expensive it is because our conditions(hours flying, jetlag, number of passengers, number of days away, no public/week end loadings) are taken into acount when our wage was negotiated.
Perhaps now that SHaul has had a taste of L Haul hours and flying without our conditions they might agree that their conditions need to be brought into line and to the same level as ours. Maybe we need to challenge the Company that there is no short haul or long Haul anymore. We have effectively been merged and we need to have our conditions merged rather than having one workforce played off against the other.CMON GUYS look at what the real picture is here!!!!Maybe a good place to start discussions with our SHaul FAAA reps
Our conditions are being attacked and lowered and our eye is not on the ball. Maybe we need Gus Hiddink as our FAAA leader. or at least coach our FAAA reps on how better to play the game
that is exactly where it is!
"why dont you call the union and ask them?"
I stopped calling the union when every time I called I was told no official was available and to leave my name and they would call me back.
Once , twice maybe, but at leats 8 times is a joke.
If this is what reducing the number of elected officials causes then it is time to go back to too many officials, at least someone was there to take a call. Am i the only one that has experienced this level of union service.It seems the only time you get some officials time is if you have a clause 11.I don't bother calling anymore. I just want someone different to vote for who will pick up a phone when I call.
The other genius remark was made only recently by FAAAs MM suggesting we shouldn't beat around the bush.We should accept we are the most expensive qf crew. Forgive me for suggesting that our conditions were fought for by previous members and officials to achieve a wage that is commensurate with the tasks , skills, and hours required of us. We are shift workers who can be rostered up to 17 hours and extended to 20 under certain conditions.When was the last time an office worker was required to turn up for a 17 hour day on a regular occurence.Forget no loadings for Xmas , public holidays, weekends etc like most other shift workers in australia receive.When was the last time our office workers were required to sit for an extremely stressful exam twice yearly every year.
Let's NOT beat around the bush. We have a set of skills which has continually recovered thousands of customers for the business. Not every one can handle people who are jammed in like sardines and make them feel we offer a better service and genuineness they know they wont get from most other airlines.Our UK crew who were formerly aussie based have been recognised for their skills by the Company offering a sweetener of 10 000k. Why offer it if they have not offered a value or if their skill level doesn't justify it.
To suggest we are expensive as though we should almost be ashamed of it or why it makes it harder to negotiate on our behalf is not the way to go.I have no doubt anyone from the ACTU reading that newsletter would have apoplexy. I would expect our union to highlight that for the work we do we are on a reasonable pay. The fact that SHaul has accepted to do our flying for less conditions should be criticised and some serious backroom discussions held with our SHaul colleagues for how it has potentially undermined their fellow LHaul colleagues and how it needs to be rectified in the next EBA. If our divisional (short and long) Faaa reps can't come to terms, then bring out the issues publicly to both LHaul and SHaul crew and let them decide whether we are better off with one division united or two divisions where the reps seem to never quite agree.We shouldn't be lectured that by inference we should be copping tough times sweet because we are more expensive than others.We need to educate , remind and state if we are more expensive it is because our conditions(hours flying, jetlag, number of passengers, number of days away, no public/week end loadings) are taken into acount when our wage was negotiated.
Perhaps now that SHaul has had a taste of L Haul hours and flying without our conditions they might agree that their conditions need to be brought into line and to the same level as ours. Maybe we need to challenge the Company that there is no short haul or long Haul anymore. We have effectively been merged and we need to have our conditions merged rather than having one workforce played off against the other.CMON GUYS look at what the real picture is here!!!!Maybe a good place to start discussions with our SHaul FAAA reps
Our conditions are being attacked and lowered and our eye is not on the ball. Maybe we need Gus Hiddink as our FAAA leader. or at least coach our FAAA reps on how better to play the game
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Simon,
I'm curious how you know the standing bids when you posted on another thread that you are not a Qantas employee?
The latest rumour is that the quality of our accomodation is going south as is our share price and credit rating !!!!!
I'm curious how you know the standing bids when you posted on another thread that you are not a Qantas employee?
The latest rumour is that the quality of our accomodation is going south as is our share price and credit rating !!!!!
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This is a quote from Simon Templar in response to my question regarding the meeting between Darth Julius and Ben Dover from the faaa...
"Who cares what went on? Whats done is done.
Apparently Lowerlobe is the only inquisitive soul
We all still have a job.
We are still paid
A lot of the regional crap flying is done by shorthaul.
With redundancies there will finally be some promotion and movement.
The issues revolve principally around new technology.
Similar to the 1981 dispute when the SP was introduced.
I have said it before, the nature of our dynamic industry means that 20 hour tours of duty will become the norm.
We need to negotiate hard for terms and conditions relating to this technology and increased tours of duty.
We will have to do them but they should be done on our terms."
And now this latest quote from Simon Templar
"I have stated this before...I am not an employee of QF,but...my wife IS"
Now you tell us that you are not crew or even employed by QF and that your wife tells you everything ,however your posts would suggest a different story!
Simon.....Your right I am inquisitive because this topic involves my job and therefore my ability to earn an income, I would like to know what is really going on behind the scenes and behind our backs .I wonder how many people posting here are actually crew or work in the office or the faaa and pretending to be someone else but one thing I do know is that something is not quite kosher with you simon and your explanation!!!!!!!
LL
"Who cares what went on? Whats done is done.
Apparently Lowerlobe is the only inquisitive soul
We all still have a job.
We are still paid
A lot of the regional crap flying is done by shorthaul.
With redundancies there will finally be some promotion and movement.
The issues revolve principally around new technology.
Similar to the 1981 dispute when the SP was introduced.
I have said it before, the nature of our dynamic industry means that 20 hour tours of duty will become the norm.
We need to negotiate hard for terms and conditions relating to this technology and increased tours of duty.
We will have to do them but they should be done on our terms."
And now this latest quote from Simon Templar
"I have stated this before...I am not an employee of QF,but...my wife IS"
Now you tell us that you are not crew or even employed by QF and that your wife tells you everything ,however your posts would suggest a different story!
Simon.....Your right I am inquisitive because this topic involves my job and therefore my ability to earn an income, I would like to know what is really going on behind the scenes and behind our backs .I wonder how many people posting here are actually crew or work in the office or the faaa and pretending to be someone else but one thing I do know is that something is not quite kosher with you simon and your explanation!!!!!!!
LL
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LL - I am inquisitive
You are not the only one who is "inquisitive". I think any genuine Qantas LH flight attendant should be. The FAAA seems to be just part of the "audience" looking on at the destruction of Qantas. Probably about 1/3 of the threads are posted by fools that have never seen the inside of a Jumbo, such as fryagain, twiggs or simon. Then we have the FAAA plants and the "Visitor" representatives. They must enjoy putting in their "bring it on" comments without knowing or caring about the real facts behind the whole GD bonus driven management.
It would be very interesting to compare financial figures of how Qantas would stand now without the Billions spent on J* Asia, J* International launch,the bases and cheap foreign crew, dumping Syd maintenance and killing the engineering training schemes so successful over the past decades. Plus, without the huge management salary/bonus figures from the totals.
Yes, I do agree there had to be some change and cost savings achieved, but so far I cannot see the value that many of the negative initiatives which have transpired over the last couple of years. We are swept along in the rise and fall of the international economy and airline industry. Anything that GD has "achieved", really only lines his own pockets and ego. As far as long term benefits for Qantas , I don't think so. I may be wrong, but we should still be inquisitive and try to understand what goes on behind our backs.
It would be very interesting to compare financial figures of how Qantas would stand now without the Billions spent on J* Asia, J* International launch,the bases and cheap foreign crew, dumping Syd maintenance and killing the engineering training schemes so successful over the past decades. Plus, without the huge management salary/bonus figures from the totals.
Yes, I do agree there had to be some change and cost savings achieved, but so far I cannot see the value that many of the negative initiatives which have transpired over the last couple of years. We are swept along in the rise and fall of the international economy and airline industry. Anything that GD has "achieved", really only lines his own pockets and ego. As far as long term benefits for Qantas , I don't think so. I may be wrong, but we should still be inquisitive and try to understand what goes on behind our backs.
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Me, myself and Irene or we/I often post here and don’t see the confusion and doubt caused by my/our lame and disappointing and frankly unbelievable excuse.
Whether I/we work for the company or the faaa is beside the point and she/I/our posts are always succinct and true even if you don’t believe my/her/our truthfulness.
Therefore I/her/she/myself/us/entire office will continue to post here on issues that affect myself/her/us and no one else can force me/myself/her/my spouse/children/pet dog spot/next door neighbour/Uncle Basil/ anyone else I can think of to stop so there…
So Simon, next time you/her/your spouse/partner/whoever posts let us know who is really posting so we know where you are coming from.
Simon, I was really hoping for a better excuse but I suppose that’s all you could come up with on short notice.
I have only two questions, how is life in the faaa bunker and how are the pies?....(Simon should I help you with that last part or can you/your wife/the rest of the street work it out?)
Whether I/we work for the company or the faaa is beside the point and she/I/our posts are always succinct and true even if you don’t believe my/her/our truthfulness.
Therefore I/her/she/myself/us/entire office will continue to post here on issues that affect myself/her/us and no one else can force me/myself/her/my spouse/children/pet dog spot/next door neighbour/Uncle Basil/ anyone else I can think of to stop so there…
So Simon, next time you/her/your spouse/partner/whoever posts let us know who is really posting so we know where you are coming from.
Simon, I was really hoping for a better excuse but I suppose that’s all you could come up with on short notice.
I have only two questions, how is life in the faaa bunker and how are the pies?....(Simon should I help you with that last part or can you/your wife/the rest of the street work it out?)
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Is the heat to hot in the kitchen. If so why dont you get out.
The FAAA do a fine job now and always have done.
If you have been around awhile then like me we get paid more than enough for what we do. Why dont you do some study in all your down time and put it to good effect. Or you could always put your hand up and see if you can do any better if it worries you that much.
Is the heat to hot in the kitchen. If so why dont you get out.
The FAAA do a fine job now and always have done.
If you have been around awhile then like me we get paid more than enough for what we do. Why dont you do some study in all your down time and put it to good effect. Or you could always put your hand up and see if you can do any better if it worries you that much.
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They would never handle it my dear boy. You need a big set of boots to fill the job looking after all of us through the FAAA.
From what I hear it wont matter anyway, the company have all sorts of tricks coming our way and we can do nothing about it.
Never mind, I have had a great run over the last 25+ years so i really dont mind at all.
From what I hear it wont matter anyway, the company have all sorts of tricks coming our way and we can do nothing about it.
Never mind, I have had a great run over the last 25+ years so i really dont mind at all.
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Ahh yes the faaa cheer squad and company imposters show up again..
Translated,Simon rings other faaa officials.."Darn it ,I messed up can some of you post something to take the heat off me for a while"
Fryagain,why don't you repeat here that you said cabin crew are underworked...
Why would you be upset that I showed Simon for what he is..oh I forgot,he works with you in the faaa office or is the same person..Freud would have a field day with you guys
Translated,Simon rings other faaa officials.."Darn it ,I messed up can some of you post something to take the heat off me for a while"
Fryagain,why don't you repeat here that you said cabin crew are underworked...
Why would you be upset that I showed Simon for what he is..oh I forgot,he works with you in the faaa office or is the same person..Freud would have a field day with you guys
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No probs. We at QF are under worked and way overpaid.
Thats why the company need us to all help them out. I would still like my job this time next year.
Bring it on.
i will go and put my crash helmet on now for those that can not see past next week.
Thats why the company need us to all help them out. I would still like my job this time next year.
Bring it on.
i will go and put my crash helmet on now for those that can not see past next week.
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Fryagain,
Well ,thats great for an employee to tell their boss they are under worked and WELL overpaid,
The answer is like you simple,approach the company and organise an individual workplace agreement where you can take a suitable pay cut and a corresponding increase in hours and both you and Darth Julius will be happy...
If you really think you are underworked and overpaid then there are no probs as you put it.....Thats if you like some of the other multiple personalities here are really crew
Well ,thats great for an employee to tell their boss they are under worked and WELL overpaid,
The answer is like you simple,approach the company and organise an individual workplace agreement where you can take a suitable pay cut and a corresponding increase in hours and both you and Darth Julius will be happy...
If you really think you are underworked and overpaid then there are no probs as you put it.....Thats if you like some of the other multiple personalities here are really crew
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Good points lowerlobe.
If fa1d WAS an Australian based longhaul crew member then I guess they would be free to negotiate a reduction in pay and conditions under fascist johnies work no choices legislation.
Geoof Dixon no doubt would be VERY grateful as I'm sure it would help him with his bonuses.
fa1d, you use the words us and we as if you are one of us.
A cursory look at the anti QF employee drivel you post suggests you are not.
You are much funnier posting as our resident lunatic jbm
If fa1d WAS an Australian based longhaul crew member then I guess they would be free to negotiate a reduction in pay and conditions under fascist johnies work no choices legislation.
Geoof Dixon no doubt would be VERY grateful as I'm sure it would help him with his bonuses.
fa1d, you use the words us and we as if you are one of us.
A cursory look at the anti QF employee drivel you post suggests you are not.
You are much funnier posting as our resident lunatic jbm