Jet * Int requirements for ER OPs
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Makes you wonder why they voted the EBA in hey? Only 6 expressions of interest from the J* crowd to crew the A330. Couple that with a fair amount who will crack the ****es with J* and in the next few years leave to fly for EK, Dragon etc....and then of course the spectre of flying the trashy product across the Pacific spending long periods away from family will grate on the egotists that saw nothing but a shiny 787...so what transpires?...an EBA that was voted in, but no one wants to do or is happy with the flying?...again, well thought out JPC.
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Jetstar has been swamped with A330 endorsed pilot applications who are high experience on type, ETOPs and International operations. Looks like alot of pilots want to leave Emirates and Dragon
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Cruising, I am sure there are heaps 'testing the water' to see what's on offer.
It will be interesting to see how many continue with their application when they see what is 'actually' on offer!
That will show what they think their 'real' worth is.
It will be interesting to see how many continue with their application when they see what is 'actually' on offer!
That will show what they think their 'real' worth is.
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I have spoken to numerous guys in KA who will accept a jetstar job pretty much on the terms on offer. The terms most who have applied are looking for are a job in Oz and clean air.
Some are fishing but many are serious about pulling the plug and going home.
Some are fishing but many are serious about pulling the plug and going home.
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market forces
Can only hope that a world pilot shortage occurs soon as we sure as hell aint doing anything to help our own causes!!!
Proof the J* eba has already had an effect, CX has put forward an offer for Direct entry F.Os, Oz base at 30% less than current F.O doing same job!!!!!!(We will of course fight this!!) Aus is now a good source of cheap labour!!!
Proof the J* eba has already had an effect, CX has put forward an offer for Direct entry F.Os, Oz base at 30% less than current F.O doing same job!!!!!!(We will of course fight this!!) Aus is now a good source of cheap labour!!!
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I knew this thread would get back on track.
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I will happily take a Tooheys new over any of the asian brands and your criticism of said product insinuating it is similar to making love in a canoe is a bit harsh
BEER
I will happily take a Tooheys new over any of the asian brands and your criticism of said product insinuating it is similar to making love in a canoe is a bit harsh
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A short notice for those pilots from EK, KA and elswhere who have applied for the DEC DEF/O positions in JQ Int.
A kind soul in JQ recruiting has provided me with a list of applicants names and which airline they are currently working for. This afternoon I took great pleasure in emailing those details to respective HR departments.
So for your own sakes I hope you get the job with JQ Int, because you will soon be out of work or at least have some interesting explaining to do.
Additionally, myself and a number of other mainline pilots are in the process of setting up a internet site which will feature the names (and any other details we can get) of the DEC's / DEF/O's.
Have a nice day now
I think you're talking crap. For anyone to pass on confidential information like that is unconscionable and un-Australian. Nevertheless, for your deeds, you will never be returning to D&G under this handle. Consider it a lifetime ban. If you choose to reincarnate yourself, you will be banned right down to IP level. Yes, we log your IP address.
Now go away.
Woomera (Eastern States)
A kind soul in JQ recruiting has provided me with a list of applicants names and which airline they are currently working for. This afternoon I took great pleasure in emailing those details to respective HR departments.
So for your own sakes I hope you get the job with JQ Int, because you will soon be out of work or at least have some interesting explaining to do.
Additionally, myself and a number of other mainline pilots are in the process of setting up a internet site which will feature the names (and any other details we can get) of the DEC's / DEF/O's.
Have a nice day now
I think you're talking crap. For anyone to pass on confidential information like that is unconscionable and un-Australian. Nevertheless, for your deeds, you will never be returning to D&G under this handle. Consider it a lifetime ban. If you choose to reincarnate yourself, you will be banned right down to IP level. Yes, we log your IP address.
Now go away.
Woomera (Eastern States)
This afternoon I took great pleasure in emailing those details to respective HR departments.
Website with names: what's this, the scab list of 2006?
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Gday Anqrka, is the harbour that "on the nose" that these guys are jumping at the chance to take a command and earn substantially less than a first year FO earns up there? Yes, I know its not all about money, but you're now used to reasonable dollars, isnt it a case of the the grass being greener? Or would they just swap it all to have some grass under foot full stop? Just curious...
How much is Jester charging for the interview sim ride for endorsed candidates, does anyone know?
I guess jester will end up with 2 distinct groups. Those who have made their bucks, and view it as a pension and semi retirement, and those who view it as a job search allowance while they look for a real flying job that pays the going rate. I guess it will closely resemble the 76 in mainline, the hospice for over 60's, and the most junior FO's hoping for better things.
Tinee Tim, you can forget about your great circle tracking through most of the airspace these guys are planning to fly in. Care to try requesting flex tracking through Ujung, Bali, Manila or Moresby? How about route restrictions through Moresby due to any number of things. For a laugh, have a look at the notams currently on PY, and ask yourself if you would rely solely on it for planning. What about when Guam shuts down routes when the kids there play war games? Its a long way to Osaka on a 60min plan. You need 120min minimum on any of these routes. Any savings made by $crewing their staff will be out the window in a very short period if they dont get it.
IMHO GD's euphoria of just how much money he will be making from this outfit will be very short lived. Obviously not learning much from his AO or his Jeffstar Asia experiences. (No offence to those of you genuinely trying to make a go of either of those outfits). Interesting to note that the "premium" read 'mainline' part of the group are making all of the money, proping up the failing low cost off shoots. I would (controversially) even include Jester domestic in this. QF props it up by copping the entire fuel surcharge, to subsidise Jester, and make it appear cheaper than VB. This is the most transparent creative accountancy practice. No doubt alot more Enron Style Accountancy going on behind the scenes.
How much is Jester charging for the interview sim ride for endorsed candidates, does anyone know?
I guess jester will end up with 2 distinct groups. Those who have made their bucks, and view it as a pension and semi retirement, and those who view it as a job search allowance while they look for a real flying job that pays the going rate. I guess it will closely resemble the 76 in mainline, the hospice for over 60's, and the most junior FO's hoping for better things.
Tinee Tim, you can forget about your great circle tracking through most of the airspace these guys are planning to fly in. Care to try requesting flex tracking through Ujung, Bali, Manila or Moresby? How about route restrictions through Moresby due to any number of things. For a laugh, have a look at the notams currently on PY, and ask yourself if you would rely solely on it for planning. What about when Guam shuts down routes when the kids there play war games? Its a long way to Osaka on a 60min plan. You need 120min minimum on any of these routes. Any savings made by $crewing their staff will be out the window in a very short period if they dont get it.
IMHO GD's euphoria of just how much money he will be making from this outfit will be very short lived. Obviously not learning much from his AO or his Jeffstar Asia experiences. (No offence to those of you genuinely trying to make a go of either of those outfits). Interesting to note that the "premium" read 'mainline' part of the group are making all of the money, proping up the failing low cost off shoots. I would (controversially) even include Jester domestic in this. QF props it up by copping the entire fuel surcharge, to subsidise Jester, and make it appear cheaper than VB. This is the most transparent creative accountancy practice. No doubt alot more Enron Style Accountancy going on behind the scenes.
Nunc est bibendum
I don't like the conditions and I don't like the thought that those who have made their fortunes o/s will now come back and undercut the local industry but I certainly don't agree with white-anting those applicants at their current employer either. It would only make them even more keen to see QF pilots come undone- at a time when we should be still reaching out to the J* crew!
So, can we forget the pettiness and work at getting our 7:20 on decent terms and conditions instead of worrying about the 13:20 that may or may not materialise from o/s!
So, can we forget the pettiness and work at getting our 7:20 on decent terms and conditions instead of worrying about the 13:20 that may or may not materialise from o/s!
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Great, make sure that they have to come back for the Eba that is on offer. Having no choice because their current company is going to make it difficult for them. Nice of J* to forward on the names. I can’t get them to give out any information.
If this is a wind up, well I’m happy to bite but if not screwing with another pilot’s career at his/her current employer is just not on whether she/he intends to leave or not.
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A little word of warning
People, time out for a second.
We are fairly liberal with you lot.
One thing we will not tolerate is the threat (or otherwise) of passing on confidential information regarding your career apirations to your present employer.
That is just not on
JJ whatever has been banned forever. We have the capability of banning down to IP level, and if pushed, will use it. This has been done before. The implication of this is that if you are an Optus, Telstra, or whoever customer, we can ban ALL posts inbound from those individual ISP's.
So before you hit the "submit" button, think of the implications it may have for your fellow users, which may be in the thousands.
As for JJ&MFMary, I will be drawing attention of this thread to my contact in JQ HR for further action if necessary. This is unacceptable behaviour in the extreme.
Woomera (Eastern States)
We are fairly liberal with you lot.
One thing we will not tolerate is the threat (or otherwise) of passing on confidential information regarding your career apirations to your present employer.
That is just not on
JJ whatever has been banned forever. We have the capability of banning down to IP level, and if pushed, will use it. This has been done before. The implication of this is that if you are an Optus, Telstra, or whoever customer, we can ban ALL posts inbound from those individual ISP's.
So before you hit the "submit" button, think of the implications it may have for your fellow users, which may be in the thousands.
As for JJ&MFMary, I will be drawing attention of this thread to my contact in JQ HR for further action if necessary. This is unacceptable behaviour in the extreme.
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Well said Woomera/Woomeri:
It would be interesting to get a reaction and a follow up from JQ HR over this.
Looking at it in the cold light of day, surely it is a wind up.
I just can't believe any sane person from QF mainline, irrespective of personal opinions on the JQ EBA, would resort to such disgusting and moronic behaviour.
It would be interesting to get a reaction and a follow up from JQ HR over this.
Looking at it in the cold light of day, surely it is a wind up.
I just can't believe any sane person from QF mainline, irrespective of personal opinions on the JQ EBA, would resort to such disgusting and moronic behaviour.
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Originally Posted by Keg
......I don't like the thought that those who have made their fortunes o/s will now come back and undercut the local industry...
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Woomera,
The JQ system is not secure. Leakage of applicant info is rife.
I do not condone the actions of Mary et al, in fact I despise them, but there is a bigger issue with confidentiality in the JQ HR department.
The JQ system is not secure. Leakage of applicant info is rife.
I do not condone the actions of Mary et al, in fact I despise them, but there is a bigger issue with confidentiality in the JQ HR department.