Chief Pilots potential demise rumours....
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QF management can't control the current AIPA president. Well isn't that just such bad luck NOT!!
While this position remains, the current CP will not be replaced. Simply, GD and "youngpaddock" can't be seen to give in to AIPA.
Game over.
While this position remains, the current CP will not be replaced. Simply, GD and "youngpaddock" can't be seen to give in to AIPA.
Game over.
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Eagle whilst I share your observation about the arrogance of management, both senior and Flight ops, I do beg to differ about the potential demise of management personnel in Flight Operations.
The incident allegedly involving the pilot and alleged drug use is not where the pressure is being bought to bear. Presently there is an action pending in the courts involving harassment and implied threats by elements of managment toward an office holder in AIPA. The company not any one individual will be defending the action.Unfortunately for senior management failure to act and remove the said indiviidual at the centre of this allegation( should it be proven) will be implied tacit approval. As such management right up to and including a CEO will be deemed liable in the event of a successful prosecution.
No matter what individuals think of APIA, this kind of behaviour, no matter from where it comes it is not legal, ethical but until AIPA withdrew "co-operation" and took action all too common at QF. I for one am glad there is the option of independant arbitration.
Due process will decide the outcome, something management at QF isn't used to
The incident allegedly involving the pilot and alleged drug use is not where the pressure is being bought to bear. Presently there is an action pending in the courts involving harassment and implied threats by elements of managment toward an office holder in AIPA. The company not any one individual will be defending the action.Unfortunately for senior management failure to act and remove the said indiviidual at the centre of this allegation( should it be proven) will be implied tacit approval. As such management right up to and including a CEO will be deemed liable in the event of a successful prosecution.
No matter what individuals think of APIA, this kind of behaviour, no matter from where it comes it is not legal, ethical but until AIPA withdrew "co-operation" and took action all too common at QF. I for one am glad there is the option of independant arbitration.
Due process will decide the outcome, something management at QF isn't used to
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The CP should be sacked for any number of things...least of which is the fact that very few QF pilots trust him...
Importantly, trust is the foundation of an organisation's safety culture... a lack of trust (towards key individuals or the system as a whole) leads to a reluctance to report faults in one's own performance or the performance of the organisation. That is, staff will only report issues if they do not fear retribution or blame.... The level of professionalism characteristic of QF flightcrew is of the highest order, however cultural change in this regard will occur insidiously if not managed by the organisation's operational managers....they do not need to follow the poor example set by corporate management.
It has been said many times before - PEOPLE are the key to any organisation's success. To achieve maximum performance people (the workers) must feel valued and must TRUST the organisation's leadership. It follows then that an organisation must choose it's managers and leaders very carefully...or in some cases choose to relieve them.
In light of recent QF corporate management decisions and their poor behaviour regarding dealings with QF employee unions - 'distrust' is now a commonly held feeling within the entire QF workforce. Obviously, this is not an insignificant problem for the company. However, if this very destructive corporate culture of 'distrust' is permitted to spread down into the operational level of the company - far greater and longer lasting damage is possible.
Importantly, trust is the foundation of an organisation's safety culture... a lack of trust (towards key individuals or the system as a whole) leads to a reluctance to report faults in one's own performance or the performance of the organisation. That is, staff will only report issues if they do not fear retribution or blame.... The level of professionalism characteristic of QF flightcrew is of the highest order, however cultural change in this regard will occur insidiously if not managed by the organisation's operational managers....they do not need to follow the poor example set by corporate management.
It has been said many times before - PEOPLE are the key to any organisation's success. To achieve maximum performance people (the workers) must feel valued and must TRUST the organisation's leadership. It follows then that an organisation must choose it's managers and leaders very carefully...or in some cases choose to relieve them.
In light of recent QF corporate management decisions and their poor behaviour regarding dealings with QF employee unions - 'distrust' is now a commonly held feeling within the entire QF workforce. Obviously, this is not an insignificant problem for the company. However, if this very destructive corporate culture of 'distrust' is permitted to spread down into the operational level of the company - far greater and longer lasting damage is possible.
And if senior management decide to utilise a workforce that isn't part of an existing union... what then? What if Dixon just decides to get new people?
e.g.
FAAA and the London base
ALAEA and Avalon
AIPA and Jetstar
If AIPA keeps up its agressive and spiteful attitude, that's exactly what will happen, and no amount of legal action will prevent it. The membership need to start asking serious questions of their seniors (CM said so himself - read it), to start seeing through the empty promises haemorrhaging from AIPA.
Ask the questions, or bet your career that the AIPA leadership knows what its doing.
e.g.
FAAA and the London base
ALAEA and Avalon
AIPA and Jetstar
If AIPA keeps up its agressive and spiteful attitude, that's exactly what will happen, and no amount of legal action will prevent it. The membership need to start asking serious questions of their seniors (CM said so himself - read it), to start seeing through the empty promises haemorrhaging from AIPA.
Ask the questions, or bet your career that the AIPA leadership knows what its doing.
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AIPA and J* that was the previous committee's debarcle...
Why don't we all just lay down and die-Nahhh until J* Int replicates enough of the intenrational flying to start the fight Dixon can't afford it...I will bet $12 billion dollars of revenue on it...
Oh and by the way, the first step to overcoming a potentially lethal and fatal set of circumstances- is to acknowledge the reality. The reality is the adversity started years ago, left unchecked it festered. It is not the present committee, so dig your head in the sand, appease the oppressor, and there will be peace in our time.
Not naming names, but where in management do you work LTBC?
Why don't we all just lay down and die-Nahhh until J* Int replicates enough of the intenrational flying to start the fight Dixon can't afford it...I will bet $12 billion dollars of revenue on it...
Oh and by the way, the first step to overcoming a potentially lethal and fatal set of circumstances- is to acknowledge the reality. The reality is the adversity started years ago, left unchecked it festered. It is not the present committee, so dig your head in the sand, appease the oppressor, and there will be peace in our time.
Not naming names, but where in management do you work LTBC?
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Originally Posted by QFinsider
...... (current) legislation makes clear any threats, intimidation or harassment will not be tolerated..
......(management threaten) "performance in the simulator" as a tool to control those they deem "loose cannons".
......(management threaten) "performance in the simulator" as a tool to control those they deem "loose cannons".
If a charge of Workplace Threat/Harassment is convicted, does that result in a criminal record?
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Dumb or dumber?
Guess what? I know this will come as a shock to some of you but I have to tell you...
Qantas pilots aren't the only pilots in Oz!
And also by my reckoning they're not the best or the smartest either. If you read their postings on these pages and see their recent behaviour you would have to agree something is seriously amiss in the QF recruiting criteria!
Are they the dumbest in Oz?
Yep, almost certainly, given their inability to accept facts.
Qantas pilots aren't the only pilots in Oz!
And also by my reckoning they're not the best or the smartest either. If you read their postings on these pages and see their recent behaviour you would have to agree something is seriously amiss in the QF recruiting criteria!
Are they the dumbest in Oz?
Yep, almost certainly, given their inability to accept facts.
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Nice try Lucius,
No one has said they are the smartest or better than anyone else; they just work for Qantas.
But they cetainly are NOT stupid enough to fall for that feable attempt at a 'wind up' from QF managers.
DUH!!
No one has said they are the smartest or better than anyone else; they just work for Qantas.
But they cetainly are NOT stupid enough to fall for that feable attempt at a 'wind up' from QF managers.
DUH!!
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Shrags,
Yep mate they work for Qantas. End of story. The sum total of their life achievement.
Hey..look at me, I work for Qantas. The world stops when I talk. I am the smartest nicest correctest person around because I work for Qantas.
Likewise if I was on COM. Hey look at me, everyone must agree with what I do because they voted me on COM.
Sorry to disappoint you but I am not management. Not even close.
But forgive me if I am a little weary of the bull and spin you guys keep spouting here.
The fact is Qantas pilots have very little to be proud of recently.
Yep mate they work for Qantas. End of story. The sum total of their life achievement.
Hey..look at me, I work for Qantas. The world stops when I talk. I am the smartest nicest correctest person around because I work for Qantas.
Likewise if I was on COM. Hey look at me, everyone must agree with what I do because they voted me on COM.
Sorry to disappoint you but I am not management. Not even close.
But forgive me if I am a little weary of the bull and spin you guys keep spouting here.
The fact is Qantas pilots have very little to be proud of recently.
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You, lucius, are a fkucwit and a wind up merchant.
This thread is about the end of the chief pilot, not about your own hatred of QF pilots
The vast majority of the pilot body are ordinary guys and girls who are pissed off they have been scabbed on. Noone I know thinks they are better than anyone else, quite the opposite actually - we were all in GA or the RAAF or even other airlines at one point of another and we know the score.
Thats the problem - nothing else.
Now the CP comes into this becaue it is alleged, in the federal court, that he is a bully and has used threats and intimidation to influence a member of the AIPA COM.
The truth or otherwise of the allegation will be determined, by facts, in a court of law.
This thread is about the end of the chief pilot, not about your own hatred of QF pilots
The vast majority of the pilot body are ordinary guys and girls who are pissed off they have been scabbed on. Noone I know thinks they are better than anyone else, quite the opposite actually - we were all in GA or the RAAF or even other airlines at one point of another and we know the score.
Thats the problem - nothing else.
Now the CP comes into this becaue it is alleged, in the federal court, that he is a bully and has used threats and intimidation to influence a member of the AIPA COM.
The truth or otherwise of the allegation will be determined, by facts, in a court of law.
JJ&MFMary, you have demonstrated the problem exactly. Pilots like yourself, are so bent on behaving like the 'pissed off' brats you claim to be, that you have delluded yourselves with your own infallibility.
For those members out there who have even the slightest bit of doubt about the direction your AIPA 'team' is taking you, ask the questions yourself. Don't be content to submit to a fatty's brainwash or be misguided into the spiteful standoff AIPA will lose your career to!
I was not voted off off COM last year, so stop wasting time with the character assassination.
For those members out there who have even the slightest bit of doubt about the direction your AIPA 'team' is taking you, ask the questions yourself. Don't be content to submit to a fatty's brainwash or be misguided into the spiteful standoff AIPA will lose your career to!
I was not voted off off COM last year, so stop wasting time with the character assassination.
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Chris. (or should I say LTBC)
We all know you love the CP, after all you are one of his QLD mafia as well.
If you think his alledged behaviour is acceptable, you need your head read also.
We all know you love the CP, after all you are one of his QLD mafia as well.
If you think his alledged behaviour is acceptable, you need your head read also.
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JJ&MFMary,
Forgive me, I was under impression that this thread was all about what fools you and your mates are making of Qantas pilots. I stand corrected.
You know the score?
Unfortunately I doubt it.
You say:
How do you know this? Can you tell me at which AIPA COM meeting such a legal expense was approved? In the interests of openness and the "new deal" surely you can tell me this?
Thanks for your earliest advice.
Forgive me, I was under impression that this thread was all about what fools you and your mates are making of Qantas pilots. I stand corrected.
You know the score?
Unfortunately I doubt it.
You say:
Now the CP comes into this becaue it is alleged, in the federal court, that he is a bully and has used threats and intimidation to influence a member of the AIPA COM.
Thanks for your earliest advice.
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Maximization of combined outcomes required both parties to cooperate. Cooperation resulted in greater individual outcomes relative to outcomes resulting from mutual non-cooperation. However, a strategy of defection, characterized by a proponent pursuing non-cooperation while an opponent chose cooperation, led to the greatest possible outcome for the defecting proponent while the opponent received the lowest possible outcome. It is very hard to change our interests. And sometimes, apparently, they clash with morals and ethics. The solution is in attitude. We have to control our feelings. If we are led by negative feelings no matter how much we want to be ethical and moral, we can't. But if we have positive feelings, there is no need to think about moral and ethics. They will come naturally.
Nunc est bibendum
Ah, now I've worked out who Cashking is.
No paragraphs, no punctuation, posts that just leapfrog from one thought to the next. The style is very 'Michael'! If not then he has a very capable successor!
No paragraphs, no punctuation, posts that just leapfrog from one thought to the next. The style is very 'Michael'! If not then he has a very capable successor!
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In general, it is best to focus one's attention on the content of the claim and not on who made the claim. It is the content that determines the truth of the claim and not the characteristics of the person making the claim.
Nunc est bibendum
Not saying I disagree with the sentiment Cashking- if I had I would have voiced my opinion on such- just that the style is very familiar.
Beyond that, we're speculating pure and simple!
I do agree that relations aren't what they should be- and that probably applies to AIPA as well as the company.
Beyond that, we're speculating pure and simple!
I do agree that relations aren't what they should be- and that probably applies to AIPA as well as the company.