Jetstar Sinks to a new Low - Sacks Worker for beig a Goth
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Originally Posted by Ozgrade3
Middle aged fat, balding men telling young girls how they should dress.
Sexism is still alive and well.
Sexism is still alive and well.
Airlines (and lots of other companies for that matter) have grooming regulations set in place, which employees are made aware of at the outset. The company I work for has quite strict grooming regs for front line staff which you are made fully aware of when you start. I would guess JQ is the same?
Presuming that the Jet* press release is a correct portrayal of the facts (which I dont know nor am willing to bet on either way) then this employee apparently deserved what she got.
I concur with Sinala1. (even though I would be more then happy for her to be on front desk of any airline I work for 
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If a company has dress standards and you don't conform to them then your braking the rules by which you where employed. If this was a first offence then I would be a bit upset but form what J* say it's not. The rules are there, if you don't want to follow them then get them changed or quit.
)If a company has dress standards and you don't conform to them then your braking the rules by which you where employed. If this was a first offence then I would be a bit upset but form what J* say it's not. The rules are there, if you don't want to follow them then get them changed or quit.
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Hmmm
Seems some of you missed the following in the story:
Ms Ogden said she had been a hard worker and an enthusiastic advocate of Jetstar until the day she was sacked. She had even passed up another job offer on the day she was fired.
It would appear that she was already looking for another job before the dismissal, a job if the fourth estate is to be believed, she had secured.
Reminds me of Denmark and fish.
Jet* response seems to be pretty straight to the point, and for mine I bakc em.
Happy Easter or whatever deity holiday/break/long weekend you believe in.
Seems some of you missed the following in the story:
Ms Ogden said she had been a hard worker and an enthusiastic advocate of Jetstar until the day she was sacked. She had even passed up another job offer on the day she was fired.
It would appear that she was already looking for another job before the dismissal, a job if the fourth estate is to be believed, she had secured.
Reminds me of Denmark and fish.
Jet* response seems to be pretty straight to the point, and for mine I bakc em.
Happy Easter or whatever deity holiday/break/long weekend you believe in.
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i have many friends who do come under the gothic ideal (if there is such a thing), on this one im on the side of ms. ogden... and i agree that jet* is taking advantage of the IR laws. and there is nothing wrong with being gothic, and we should respect people's choices and the way they want to dress and act.
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Originally Posted by ozzymelb
i have many friends who do come under the gothic ideal (if there is such a thing), on this one im on the side of ms. ogden... and i agree that jet* is taking advantage of the IR laws.
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jet* is taking advantage of the IR laws
They have more than 100 employees!!!!......
If this chick was given an extended probation, then she obviously was marginal in her performance, and lucky to be given a second chance by the company, but she obviously failed to realise this was a wake-up call, and it would appear to me that they have been more than fair to this individual.
ozzy_melb
I will give you a little advice as you appear from your profile to be a 17 year old still at school. Working for an employer isn’t like being at school. It isn’t a democracy. Your employer will set out rules and standards you must follow on their time and in regard to aviation you must follow in your time as well. In this regard it is their train set and you will play with it the way they tell you not the way you want to. If you can’t or won’t do this you have three options:
1. Resign,
2. Be fired,
3. Or don’t take the job in the first place.
If you honestly think it is your right to dress and act as you please in the work place you are in for a shock. By the way have a good read of the J* press release. I think you will find that her Goth dress rated very low for the reason she was dismissed and would have happened irrespective of the new IR laws or not. If you believe all the bleeding heart stories you see on commercial TV you are just as gullible as most who watch these trash brain dead programs.
I will give you a little advice as you appear from your profile to be a 17 year old still at school. Working for an employer isn’t like being at school. It isn’t a democracy. Your employer will set out rules and standards you must follow on their time and in regard to aviation you must follow in your time as well. In this regard it is their train set and you will play with it the way they tell you not the way you want to. If you can’t or won’t do this you have three options:
1. Resign,
2. Be fired,
3. Or don’t take the job in the first place.
If you honestly think it is your right to dress and act as you please in the work place you are in for a shock. By the way have a good read of the J* press release. I think you will find that her Goth dress rated very low for the reason she was dismissed and would have happened irrespective of the new IR laws or not. If you believe all the bleeding heart stories you see on commercial TV you are just as gullible as most who watch these trash brain dead programs.
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No Jetstar stooge here, neither am I a supporter of Howard's latest IR laws, but Titan speaks a very obvious truth, and though ozzy_melb hasn't discovered the reality of life yet, he/she no doubt will. Titan's post is a good place to start.
If you want to be paid, sonny, you will often be asked to agree to a set of conditions. Funnily enough, being allowed to express your individuality by your mode of dress doesn't usually appear in those conditions. In this case I am fully on Jetstar's side. Ms Ogen should have thought about improving her attitude rather than running to the media because she wasn't allowed to do exactly as she wanted. Perhaps being "the face of Twister" whatever that means, had distorted her sense of reality?
If you want to be paid, sonny, you will often be asked to agree to a set of conditions. Funnily enough, being allowed to express your individuality by your mode of dress doesn't usually appear in those conditions. In this case I am fully on Jetstar's side. Ms Ogen should have thought about improving her attitude rather than running to the media because she wasn't allowed to do exactly as she wanted. Perhaps being "the face of Twister" whatever that means, had distorted her sense of reality?
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have many friends who do come under the gothic ideal (if there is such a thing
Most (if not all) airlines have grooming standards, which, even if not TOLD to the employee, would be in the employment manual/handbook/whatever.
I know that if I were to turn up to work fresh from a night on the town, complete with my 'nightclub/going out/Goth' (circle applicable) makeup still on, even if in uniform, that I'd be asked by my manger to remove it and appear in something more fitting with the company image. Now if every other person working there had also appeared that way and was allowed to, it wouldn't be a problem would it? But looking at the press release, if true (which I daresay it would be - why leave yourself open to litigation) the makeup was the least of her worries here.
You want to work for an airline (or any company for that matter), you follow the rules, whether those rules are displaying your ASIC or what kind of shoes you must wear on the job.... simple.
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I posted the following in the Cabin Crew forum when this topic was discussed. I made my comments well before the JQ media release.
Did anyone notice how this wasn't reported on in the Sydney Morning Herald or in the Australian or in any other well respected newspaper?? It was a biased story put by the Daily Telegraph. With all talk focused on the IR laws at the moment, i'm sure the editors would jump at any opportunity to print a story which would shock their obedient readers.
The reporting of the Daily Telegraph is of the same nature as that of Today Tonight and ACA.
I take what I read and watch with a grain of salt.
Did anyone notice how this wasn't reported on in the Sydney Morning Herald or in the Australian or in any other well respected newspaper?? It was a biased story put by the Daily Telegraph. With all talk focused on the IR laws at the moment, i'm sure the editors would jump at any opportunity to print a story which would shock their obedient readers.
The reporting of the Daily Telegraph is of the same nature as that of Today Tonight and ACA.
I take what I read and watch with a grain of salt.
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Quite simply the CSO in question wasn't performing his/her duties properly. This CSO turned up late repeatedly during probation, in addition to continual poor grooming and a few other breaches of policy and procedure.
The CSO was given the opportunity to improve performance during an agreed extended probation.
At the end of the extended probation the CSO's "operational performance" hadn't improved and management terminated the CSO's employment.
As a CSO myself, I believe the termination was quite justified.
The CSO was given the opportunity to improve performance during an agreed extended probation.
At the end of the extended probation the CSO's "operational performance" hadn't improved and management terminated the CSO's employment.
As a CSO myself, I believe the termination was quite justified.
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Jetstar AN Employer of Choice.
Dont make me laugh. They would not know what that means.
As far as I am concerned what she dresses like away from work is her and not the companies buisness.
As long as she is properlry dressed and groomed when she comes on duty.
Dont make me laugh. They would not know what that means.
As far as I am concerned what she dresses like away from work is her and not the companies buisness.
As long as she is properlry dressed and groomed when she comes on duty.
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Jetstar AN (read Ansett) employer of choice how ironic....
If Jetstar treat their highly skilled labour with such disregard what chance do the easily trained have. What a joke Jetstar, be careful how low you stoop. The staff you crap on while you rise will be the same staff you rely on when the chips are down and one day they will be down.
how ironic....If Jetstar treat their highly skilled labour with such disregard what chance do the easily trained have. What a joke Jetstar, be careful how low you stoop. The staff you crap on while you rise will be the same staff you rely on when the chips are down and one day they will be down.
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Originally Posted by case drain
As long as she is properlry dressed and groomed when she comes on duty
As has already been echoed on this thread, grooming regulations - amongst other rules - are part of airline workers jobs. Follow them or find a new job, its quite a simple concept
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As a former CSO for JQ in Syd, I agree with A320, The staffing levels at SYD whilst I was there were Skeleton to say the least (I'm fairly certain nothing has changed). Being one staff member down puts considerable strain on the rest of the team. Having someone turn up consistantly late gets on your nerves after a while.
That being said as a manager you simply cannot tell someone that they look goth, there are tactful ways of getting the message across. That's just not what you'd expect from experienced and professional management....
That being said as a manager you simply cannot tell someone that they look goth, there are tactful ways of getting the message across. That's just not what you'd expect from experienced and professional management....
