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Huge ass-man
All very quaint and soooooo pro company line. You of course sit in the office and show HR your propaganda on Pprune?
Stage 1 is payed for by the user and the rest is a major ATO write off. The endorsement is pure profit, after tax.
If a realistic system of fielding applicants exsited, do you really think any company requiring pilots to fly medium haul international, would overlook qualified experienced type rated applicates (at the first stage), in lieu of canditates who have not flown for 5 yrs and have no jet experience?? All very "equal opportunity", yeah right!!
Allowing all applicants to pay for the first stage and then fail them would cease any further costs you suggest.
However, should they pass when so many have failed stage 1 before them (and still been employed) may cause a few eyebrows to raise as to why these guys were not assessed before!!
BTW wot is with the Jap stuff in your post??
All very quaint and soooooo pro company line. You of course sit in the office and show HR your propaganda on Pprune?
Stage 1 is payed for by the user and the rest is a major ATO write off. The endorsement is pure profit, after tax.
If a realistic system of fielding applicants exsited, do you really think any company requiring pilots to fly medium haul international, would overlook qualified experienced type rated applicates (at the first stage), in lieu of canditates who have not flown for 5 yrs and have no jet experience?? All very "equal opportunity", yeah right!!
Allowing all applicants to pay for the first stage and then fail them would cease any further costs you suggest.
However, should they pass when so many have failed stage 1 before them (and still been employed) may cause a few eyebrows to raise as to why these guys were not assessed before!!
BTW wot is with the Jap stuff in your post??
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UNOME,
I happen to know Hugh and he AINT repeat AINT the company man you are insinuating. He is a white man and one of the best so lay off him!!!!!!!!
Norma
I happen to know Hugh and he AINT repeat AINT the company man you are insinuating. He is a white man and one of the best so lay off him!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for your support, Normasars
UNOME, I don't sit in an office I just felt like sharing some FACTS about the overall cost of recruiting.
So you suggest that companies exclude all those that aren't type rated? How "equal opportunity" is that? Besides, you misunderstand the meaning of EEO. That is discrimination based on religion, gender, race, sexuality etc. Not qualifications!
The problem we all face UNOME, is every airline believes it has the best recruiting system. For example, look how many Oz expats are working in Hong Kong. Just from my lilittle part of the world, I can recall at least 30 former work colleagues who "weren't good enough" to slide across to QF mainline, yet were fine for CX and Dragonair. And they are some of the best pilots and people I've had the opportunity to fly with.....I'm sure you and hundreds of others have similar stories to tell.
I can tell you now that having type and/or route experience doesn't necessarily make you more suitable for the job than "canditates who have not flown for 5 yrs and have no jet experience??" (your words). You can have all the technical qualifications and still be a lousy employee. Tech qualifications are only one facet of the big picture...That's why you have the battery of tests, a sim ride and interview.
Most of the time, the airline gets the sort of person they want (or deserve) However, some of the time they don't....
Here's a little run down of just some of the costs associated with recruiting:
1. QF sells the sim time to whichever airline is recruiting = EXPENSE;
2. The recruiting airline has to resource the sim instructor. Usually that means taking him off line for the whole day if he's a line pilot = EXPENSE;
3. The recruiting airline has to take at least one pilot off line for the interview panel = EXPENSE;
4. The recruiting airline has to provide the interviewers from HR = EXPENSE;
5. The recruiting airline has to pay StaffCV for hosting = EXPENSE;
6. The recruiting airline has to resource HR staff to process the applications = EXPENSE;
7. The recruiting airline (in some instances) has to transport and accommodate the candidate and/or recruiting team interstate or overseas = HUGE EXPENSE
You might say "stiff cheddar - that's all part of big business". Sure. I'm just pointing out that the candidate would be significantly worse off, if the company passed on all the costs of recruiting.
Just my light-hearted attempt at some humour. People take themselves too seriously around here
Good luck with your job search, UNOME. Attitudes like yours are pretty easy to sniff out.
One final tip. Over 90% of misspelled resumes & CVs end up N.F.A.
UNOME, I don't sit in an office
I just felt like sharing some FACTS about the overall cost of recruiting.
If a realistic system of fielding applicants exsited, do you really think any company requiring pilots to fly medium haul international, would overlook qualified experienced type rated applicates (at the first stage), in lieu of canditates who have not flown for 5 yrs and have no jet experience?? All very "equal opportunity", yeah right!!
The problem we all face UNOME, is every airline believes it has the best recruiting system. For example, look how many Oz expats are working in Hong Kong. Just from my lilittle part of the world, I can recall at least 30 former work colleagues who "weren't good enough" to slide across to QF mainline, yet were fine for CX and Dragonair. And they are some of the best pilots and people I've had the opportunity to fly with.....I'm sure you and hundreds of others have similar stories to tell.
I can tell you now that having type and/or route experience doesn't necessarily make you more suitable for the job than "canditates who have not flown for 5 yrs and have no jet experience??" (your words). You can have all the technical qualifications and still be a lousy employee. Tech qualifications are only one facet of the big picture...That's why you have the battery of tests, a sim ride and interview.
Most of the time, the airline gets the sort of person they want (or deserve)
However, some of the time they don't.... Here's a little run down of just some of the costs associated with recruiting:
1. QF sells the sim time to whichever airline is recruiting = EXPENSE;
2. The recruiting airline has to resource the sim instructor. Usually that means taking him off line for the whole day if he's a line pilot = EXPENSE;
3. The recruiting airline has to take at least one pilot off line for the interview panel = EXPENSE;
4. The recruiting airline has to provide the interviewers from HR = EXPENSE;
5. The recruiting airline has to pay StaffCV for hosting = EXPENSE;
6. The recruiting airline has to resource HR staff to process the applications = EXPENSE;
7. The recruiting airline (in some instances) has to transport and accommodate the candidate and/or recruiting team interstate or overseas = HUGE EXPENSE
You might say "stiff cheddar - that's all part of big business". Sure. I'm just pointing out that the candidate would be significantly worse off, if the company passed on all the costs of recruiting.
BTW wot is with the Jap stuff in your post??
Just my light-hearted attempt at some humour. People take themselves too seriously around here
Good luck with your job search, UNOME. Attitudes like yours are pretty easy to sniff out.
One final tip. Over 90% of misspelled resumes & CVs end up N.F.A.
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MMMmmm.....well I hope you and normass have fun up on Brokeback mountain.
Equal Opportunity. That's actually what I said. Therefore, why discriminate against the type rated experienced quailified guy at the first stage? How do you know he will be any better or more lousy than the other guy unless you at least do first stage??
Are you seriously suggesting that when the staff CV is reviewed, the HR guy says to himself "oh look at this guy; has no jet/or any fixed wing time, 45yrs old, hasn't flown for 5yrs, can't spell but, perfect for this job, let's spend a couple of $$$ interviewing him."
Or is this more like it.. "oh now look at this next guy; airbus type rated with command time, great references, massive airline experinence blah, blah, blah.." I better call ex-An management, "Hey Capt W, how about this guy? no huh, not even first stage? won't cost us just to have look. BIG NO, roger!"
Sorry pal N.F.A, you know we got to make it equal.
Best person for the job or just a little selective discrimination and nepotism at play?
Equal Opportunity. That's actually what I said. Therefore, why discriminate against the type rated experienced quailified guy at the first stage? How do you know he will be any better or more lousy than the other guy unless you at least do first stage??
Are you seriously suggesting that when the staff CV is reviewed, the HR guy says to himself "oh look at this guy; has no jet/or any fixed wing time, 45yrs old, hasn't flown for 5yrs, can't spell but, perfect for this job, let's spend a couple of $$$ interviewing him."
Or is this more like it.. "oh now look at this next guy; airbus type rated with command time, great references, massive airline experinence blah, blah, blah.." I better call ex-An management, "Hey Capt W, how about this guy? no huh, not even first stage? won't cost us just to have look. BIG NO, roger!"
Sorry pal N.F.A, you know we got to make it equal.
Best person for the job or just a little selective discrimination and nepotism at play?
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I agree with your post, but still stand by what I said. Jarse is a great bloke and he really doesn't care @ the company as I can assure you they HAVE NOT cared about him.
So stick it in ya @rse.
I agree with your post, but still stand by what I said. Jarse is a great bloke and he really doesn't care @ the company as I can assure you they HAVE NOT cared about him.
So stick it in ya @rse.
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MMMmmm.....well I hope you and normass have fun up on Brokeback mountain.
Sticks and stones...Don't even know why I bothered responding..However - You are obviously the "airbus type rated with command time, great references, massive airline experinence blah, blah, blah.." and can't get a stage 1. You must have heard that "this guy; has no jet/or any fixed wing time, 45yrs old, hasn't flown for 5yrs, can't spell but, perfect for this job" did get a stage 1.
Let me get this right: You believe that you are being discriminated against, because you allege somebody inside Jetstar has it in for you from your Ansett days?
POPO = Prove (it) Or Piss Off.
If you talk to Julyet or the other HR people in the manner you write on these forums, no wonder they won't give you a chance.
Good luck with your Jetstar application......
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Take your cowboy hat off and settle petal. I am not the one who is posting derogatory anti-Asian photos. 
However, I apologise for unwittingly inciting your ire and for being illiterate.
ITCZ posted prior to me, his "inside" info on the "mates" employment policy of Jet*. It is also a verifiable fact that there remains a substantial "standards" problem in the Jet* recruitment process. (POPO covered)
If you believe that there is no discrimination or nepotism occurring, then you are welcome to remain myopic. However, please allow the rest of us to raise our observations and opinions.
BTW you have still not explained why such suitable applicates would not be allowed to sit at least stage 1? (POPO covered again)
Finally, I am not "the massively experienced Airbus guy" and I did pass stage I in 1986. I have in fact spoken with Tim and Juliet and they feel for the "very suitable applicants with a little black cross next to their names" But their reference list must be adhered too.
I simply feel that it is grossly unfair and bad for the future of the airline.
Now I'm going to POPO off to pitch a tent with my fishin' buddy!
However, I apologise for unwittingly inciting your ire and for being illiterate.
ITCZ posted prior to me, his "inside" info on the "mates" employment policy of Jet*. It is also a verifiable fact that there remains a substantial "standards" problem in the Jet* recruitment process. (POPO covered)
If you believe that there is no discrimination or nepotism occurring, then you are welcome to remain myopic. However, please allow the rest of us to raise our observations and opinions.
BTW you have still not explained why such suitable applicates would not be allowed to sit at least stage 1? (POPO covered again)
Finally, I am not "the massively experienced Airbus guy" and I did pass stage I in 1986. I have in fact spoken with Tim and Juliet and they feel for the "very suitable applicants with a little black cross next to their names"
But their reference list must be adhered too.I simply feel that it is grossly unfair and bad for the future of the airline.
Now I'm going to POPO off to pitch a tent with my fishin' buddy!
