QANTAS crew face wait for hotel ruling
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Sydney
Posts: 824
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
We have stayed at both over the years as an overflow from The Sheraton Redondo beach [Ah.. the memories of happier days at the rat....].
Room availability and cost are probably the issues........
Plus, why would QF want happy staff ?
We are the enemy, remember..........
Room availability and cost are probably the issues........
Plus, why would QF want happy staff ?
We are the enemy, remember..........
Biscuit chucker - I guess you won't be having a very exciting time then...
Why not try getting on a bus & going to The Grove (nah, maybe too far - it stops on the corner of the block the hotel is on.) Costco - nope, too far - the bus picks you up about 3 blocks away, and drops you right at the door. Pasadena - I guess not, as the train station is all of 4 blocks away (and then again, for $3 your all day pass will ONLY get you up to Pasadena & back, as well as unlimited bus/train travel...)
Think about it
I'm not going to argue with you wrt crew safety, as I entirely agree. However it's a bit much to complain without even stepping out of the hotel...
Why not try getting on a bus & going to The Grove (nah, maybe too far - it stops on the corner of the block the hotel is on.) Costco - nope, too far - the bus picks you up about 3 blocks away, and drops you right at the door. Pasadena - I guess not, as the train station is all of 4 blocks away (and then again, for $3 your all day pass will ONLY get you up to Pasadena & back, as well as unlimited bus/train travel...)
Think about it
I'm not going to argue with you wrt crew safety, as I entirely agree. However it's a bit much to complain without even stepping out of the hotel...
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Australia
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Walked to Broadway - seedy looking (old business district) but no threat.
Waited 20 mins for my bus. All sorts of humanity off & on the bus, 50 min journey to my Golf Shop thru all sorts of areas & same back - but no problems at all. Of course this is no guarantee that it will always be the same, but it was really no problem.
Waited 20 mins for my bus. All sorts of humanity off & on the bus, 50 min journey to my Golf Shop thru all sorts of areas & same back - but no problems at all. Of course this is no guarantee that it will always be the same, but it was really no problem.
Join Date: May 2005
Location: crew rest
Posts: 510
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
of course you get homeless people, of course the bus goes through some poor areas.
So what is the problem, none!
lets worry about important things like the quality of our crew rest, the unreasonable requests that the new visitors make on us whilst they line their pockets with our blood and sweat.
So what is the problem, none!
lets worry about important things like the quality of our crew rest, the unreasonable requests that the new visitors make on us whilst they line their pockets with our blood and sweat.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: OZ
Posts: 580
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I am sure hotel accommodation for CC is a valid concern which this thread addressed but i think the point Redstone was trying to make was the a Union took a perceived SAFTEY issue to the AIRC.
The commissioner has decided to sit on the fence for 4 months so that a dossier of assaults injuries etc can be presented at a later date to see if QF has a case to answer for.
It would appear that commissioner has put cost over the safety of people.
In these enlightened times it would appear a contradiction to anything work cover or QF and its no its No injuries to anyone at anytime policy stands for.
The fact that the FAAA took the issue to the AIRC would indicate the issue was valid ( but some posts in this thread may suggest FAAA crying wolf) and its abhorrent that a unsafe condition can go unchecked for such a time.
The commissioner has decided to sit on the fence for 4 months so that a dossier of assaults injuries etc can be presented at a later date to see if QF has a case to answer for.
It would appear that commissioner has put cost over the safety of people.
In these enlightened times it would appear a contradiction to anything work cover or QF and its no its No injuries to anyone at anytime policy stands for.
The fact that the FAAA took the issue to the AIRC would indicate the issue was valid ( but some posts in this thread may suggest FAAA crying wolf) and its abhorrent that a unsafe condition can go unchecked for such a time.
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sydney
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
San Fran
Have you been to San Francisco lately?
There are more panhandlers and homeless people than in LAX.
It will be interesting to see which hotel and area we will be acommodated.
Certainly not the Mark Hopkins.
May be the Hilton on O'farrell?
There are more panhandlers and homeless people than in LAX.
It will be interesting to see which hotel and area we will be acommodated.
Certainly not the Mark Hopkins.
May be the Hilton on O'farrell?
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Australia
Posts: 811
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
While Downtown is not nearly as good as Pasadena, or Long Beach, or Redondo, or London, or Singapore (although that could be disputed! 
) etc, I've felt just as safe walking around there at night on my own as I have through Perth, or Cairns, or Darwin...
) etc, I've felt just as safe walking around there at night on my own as I have through Perth, or Cairns, or Darwin...
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Australia
Posts: 811
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I don't have my bodyguard everytime! 
Pistol licences can be collected from Guthries Joburg... might perk up your confidence a bit!
Do you really think Anaheim will be that much better?
Pistol licences can be collected from Guthries Joburg... might perk up your confidence a bit!
Do you really think Anaheim will be that much better?
Registered User **
Join Date: May 2005
Location: The Ultimate Crew Rest....
Age: 69
Posts: 2,346
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This is what amazes me about the scare mongerers…There is absolutely no way that Down Town LA is safe.That is a load of rubbish that certain crew are saying because they like the proximity to the nightclubs compared to Pasadena and other areas.
I have even been asked for money from some street bum in the lift going back to my room from the crew room.I was not particularly worried by him but if one of the girls had gotten into the lift it may have been different.
I wanted to know how he got into the lift ? So much for security
To say that it is no more dangerous than Cairns or Perth just goes to show how ridiculous their argument is.
I have asked some LA police about the safety of Downtown and I was told by them not to walk around after dark alone and not to catch any buses as well and if I wanted to go anywhere to catch a cab or hire a car….brilliant…why would they want to exaggerate any problems?..
The next scare tactic is the Anaheim potential…Who ever said that there are only 2 hotels in the area that we can stay at? It is just a scare tactic to prevent anyone from wanting to move to another hotel..
I have even been asked for money from some street bum in the lift going back to my room from the crew room.I was not particularly worried by him but if one of the girls had gotten into the lift it may have been different.
I wanted to know how he got into the lift ? So much for security
To say that it is no more dangerous than Cairns or Perth just goes to show how ridiculous their argument is.
I have asked some LA police about the safety of Downtown and I was told by them not to walk around after dark alone and not to catch any buses as well and if I wanted to go anywhere to catch a cab or hire a car….brilliant…why would they want to exaggerate any problems?..
The next scare tactic is the Anaheim potential…Who ever said that there are only 2 hotels in the area that we can stay at? It is just a scare tactic to prevent anyone from wanting to move to another hotel..
Anaheim is sh*t - the hotel is enormous, and quite often noisy. There's nothing to do in the immediate environ, and the only transport is a bus on the main road 
Anyone complaining about a long slip at the Bonaventure will be slashing their wrists at the prospect of anything more than minimum rest at Anaheim... 
The rumour that I'm clinging onto is that the FAAA has approved the hotel at Anaheim for the flight attendants, but our union has not given the seal of approval (except for the overflow period, where we stayed there during the Rosebowl week). I'm not saying it would be fair, but it would be ironic if, as a result of the FAAA taking the issue to the AIRC, the flight attendants ended up out at Anaheim & the tech crew went back up to Pasadena Yeah, hardly likely, but a man can dream can't he...? 
Anyone complaining about a long slip at the Bonaventure will be slashing their wrists at the prospect of anything more than minimum rest at Anaheim... The rumour that I'm clinging onto is that the FAAA has approved the hotel at Anaheim for the flight attendants, but our union has not given the seal of approval (except for the overflow period, where we stayed there during the Rosebowl week). I'm not saying it would be fair, but it would be ironic if, as a result of the FAAA taking the issue to the AIRC, the flight attendants ended up out at Anaheim & the tech crew went back up to Pasadena
Yeah, hardly likely, but a man can dream can't he...?
Registered User **
Join Date: May 2005
Location: The Ultimate Crew Rest....
Age: 69
Posts: 2,346
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Johhny Utah,
It was funny the uproar in Qrewroom when we first went to the Bonaventure but now a number of tech crew are actually hoping that we do move so you guys can argue about a move back to Pasadena...
The previous faaa leadership Ok'ed the move to Anaheim but who has said that Anaheim is the only other hotel we could move to.
It was funny the uproar in Qrewroom when we first went to the Bonaventure but now a number of tech crew are actually hoping that we do move so you guys can argue about a move back to Pasadena...
The previous faaa leadership Ok'ed the move to Anaheim but who has said that Anaheim is the only other hotel we could move to.
Pasadena had the yard bar and it was safe for shire softies like TL to stagger home at the end of a long night but threat of reprisals
My self defence skills have really improved of late - it's a requirement for living in the shire these days!
I'm with *Lancer* though, never had a problem late at night, even walking from as far as Broadway. Would probably rather not do it on my own, I've generally been in a group of 3 or more and occasionally (if lucky) some girls included who didn't feel unsafe. The dutch courage from having a few beers under the belt probably helps things though!
TL
Registered User **
Join Date: May 2005
Location: The Ultimate Crew Rest....
Age: 69
Posts: 2,346
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Johhny Utah..
“Why not try getting on a bus & going to The Grove (nah, maybe too far - it stops on the corner of the block the hotel is on.) Costco - nope, too far - the bus picks you up about 3 blocks away, and drops you right at the door. Pasadena - I guess not, as the train station is all of 4 blocks away (and then again, for $3 your all day pass will ONLY get you up to Pasadena & back, as well as unlimited bus/train travel...)”
So basically what you are telling biscuit chucker is that you have to leave the area to have fun and feel safe….
This is the whole point of the exercise of going to the AIRC..the hotel is fine ,it is the location that we do not like...
I agree with biscuit chucker safety is and should always be the number one priority and if you have to depart the area by whatever means to achieve that then that is unacceptable..
Ps I’m not a hostie so shopping is not a sport ,I go to Costco once a year and I don’t want to go to Pasadena or the grove either everyday when I am in LA for that matter,I would like to find somewhere safe to walk to ..…not escape from…..
As Bolty has said it would appear that the almighty dollar has reigned supreme in the decision making. Imagine for a moment during this 4 month test an assault occurs and a crew member is seriously injured. Apart from the legal aspects of litigation against the AIRC,the company and perhaps the commissioner , it makes a mockery of the safety first and zero injuries policy that the company bombards us with by posters and other means every time we go to work.
“Why not try getting on a bus & going to The Grove (nah, maybe too far - it stops on the corner of the block the hotel is on.) Costco - nope, too far - the bus picks you up about 3 blocks away, and drops you right at the door. Pasadena - I guess not, as the train station is all of 4 blocks away (and then again, for $3 your all day pass will ONLY get you up to Pasadena & back, as well as unlimited bus/train travel...)”
So basically what you are telling biscuit chucker is that you have to leave the area to have fun and feel safe….
This is the whole point of the exercise of going to the AIRC..the hotel is fine ,it is the location that we do not like...
I agree with biscuit chucker safety is and should always be the number one priority and if you have to depart the area by whatever means to achieve that then that is unacceptable..
Ps I’m not a hostie so shopping is not a sport ,I go to Costco once a year and I don’t want to go to Pasadena or the grove either everyday when I am in LA for that matter,I would like to find somewhere safe to walk to ..…not escape from…..
As Bolty has said it would appear that the almighty dollar has reigned supreme in the decision making. Imagine for a moment during this 4 month test an assault occurs and a crew member is seriously injured. Apart from the legal aspects of litigation against the AIRC,the company and perhaps the commissioner , it makes a mockery of the safety first and zero injuries policy that the company bombards us with by posters and other means every time we go to work.
Last edited by lowerlobe; 3rd Feb 2006 at 05:43.
Yep, that's pretty much spot on what I was saying. However, I was trying to emphasise that, as much as you may have to do this, at least there are several different options transport wise for getting away from where we are. When we move to Anaheim (should that occur) you can kiss goodbye to anything useful - unless of course you want to go to Disneyland.
Downtown isn't Pasadena However, to suggest that there's nothing to do because it's unsafe to walk out on the street day OR night is just plain ridiculous. I certainly don't go walking the streets alone late at night, and nor would I ever dare suggest that anyone else does, either.
I guess at the end of the day if you feel unsafe in the hotel, file a report. That's about the only way the company will ever get your point.
Out of interest, what do you do in LA if you don't go either Shopping/Movies/Costco?
p.s ever wondered what that funny looking, shiny building up on the hill near the hotel is? There you go - now you've got something to do next time you're in LA
Downtown isn't Pasadena
However, to suggest that there's nothing to do because it's unsafe to walk out on the street day OR night is just plain ridiculous. I certainly don't go walking the streets alone late at night, and nor would I ever dare suggest that anyone else does, either. I guess at the end of the day if you feel unsafe in the hotel, file a report. That's about the only way the company will ever get your point.
Out of interest, what do you do in LA if you don't go either Shopping/Movies/Costco?
p.s ever wondered what that funny looking, shiny building up on the hill near the hotel is? There you go - now you've got something to do next time you're in LA
Registered User **
Join Date: May 2005
Location: The Ultimate Crew Rest....
Age: 69
Posts: 2,346
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Johhny,
When I am in a slip port whether it is SIN,FRA or LA,I usually go for long walks and see what there is to offer not what can I offer the inhabitants of downtown LA…
Going to Costco or the grove or wherever is like going to Taronga Park Zoo.it is great to see but how many times can you go there ,especially if you do a lot of LA’s.
I agree you can catch the train to Pasadena but again how many times do you do that? Also I have seen just as many fruitloops on the trains and buses as there are roaming around the streets..
Why don’t AIPA and FAAA both start investigating other possibilities in LA . Anaheim is not the only other alternative and I agree I don’t want an hour plus bus ride (in a mini van at that) after doing a 16 hour TOD.
Why can’t we find somewhere that has 2 or 3 hotels like Pasadena that crew can stay at within a 2 km radius.I think the company argument that they want us all at the same hotel just a ruse and that it was simply a cost factor that the misadventure offered a good rate and that Pasadena was becoming very popular and therefore more expensive.
The bottom line is though that the area is not safe and there are more than 2 hotels in LA that would be suitable ,it’s just that no one has looked yet or is following the company line for reasons known only to themselves.
When I am in a slip port whether it is SIN,FRA or LA,I usually go for long walks and see what there is to offer not what can I offer the inhabitants of downtown LA…
Going to Costco or the grove or wherever is like going to Taronga Park Zoo.it is great to see but how many times can you go there ,especially if you do a lot of LA’s.
I agree you can catch the train to Pasadena but again how many times do you do that? Also I have seen just as many fruitloops on the trains and buses as there are roaming around the streets..
Why don’t AIPA and FAAA both start investigating other possibilities in LA . Anaheim is not the only other alternative and I agree I don’t want an hour plus bus ride (in a mini van at that) after doing a 16 hour TOD.
Why can’t we find somewhere that has 2 or 3 hotels like Pasadena that crew can stay at within a 2 km radius.I think the company argument that they want us all at the same hotel just a ruse and that it was simply a cost factor that the misadventure offered a good rate and that Pasadena was becoming very popular and therefore more expensive.
The bottom line is though that the area is not safe and there are more than 2 hotels in LA that would be suitable ,it’s just that no one has looked yet or is following the company line for reasons known only to themselves.