ALAEA impotence (merged)
Re: ALAEA impotence
your right there apophis..
what about all the absolutely useless and dangerous singaporean ones they got just before ansett went down, and they still had to employ them even when they employed the ex AN people. VERY questionable skills indeed. but then again some of the ones before that are pretty hopeless too. Morale and discipline there isn't a strong point. neither is their questionable hiring practices. remember the stink kicked up when security checks were required for existing employees? some people with dodgy pasts who probably couldn't get a job in an airline because of it and now they'd been found out....
you may wish to think about whether ALL of the persons from that country are as described and whether they have a higher per capita percentage of them than say from "Australians" whatever they may be ?
I have a different experience than "all".
It's a difficult one but lets be careful how and at whom you wave that stick eh. W
what about all the absolutely useless and dangerous singaporean ones they got just before ansett went down, and they still had to employ them even when they employed the ex AN people. VERY questionable skills indeed. but then again some of the ones before that are pretty hopeless too. Morale and discipline there isn't a strong point. neither is their questionable hiring practices. remember the stink kicked up when security checks were required for existing employees? some people with dodgy pasts who probably couldn't get a job in an airline because of it and now they'd been found out....
you may wish to think about whether ALL of the persons from that country are as described and whether they have a higher per capita percentage of them than say from "Australians" whatever they may be ?
I have a different experience than "all".
It's a difficult one but lets be careful how and at whom you wave that stick eh. W
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Re: ALAEA impotence
I'm not sure what's stirred up this hornets nest, we're still 1 yr out from an EBA. However here's my two bobs worth.
I agree with sunfish and believe we need to call Qantas's bluff. We will always have to keep an eye on costs but I'm sick of being threatened with redundancy if I don't accept my modest 3% with huge productivity gains and management get double digit pay increases whilst QF post record profits.
However the people who ultimately accept or reject any agreement are the members of the union. While I may be disappointed at times with my union leadership I am more dissapointed with my fellow colleagues who consistantly vote to accept to erode our pay and conditions. The most agressive union leadership will make no difference if the member choose to accept the first qf offer.
I can understand peoples reluctance to enter an industrial dispute with QF because they will play hard (and the law is most definetely on their side), but if you don't know your own self worth then you will have to accept whatever Qantas thinks your worth (what's the average pay for an engineer in China?).
At some point we are going to have to stand up and be counted!!!!!!!!!!!
I know some people "get revenge" by accepting a meagre 3% increase and then produce 50% less. This is just a self defeating, soul sapping descent into mediocrity which will ensure our demise.
Whilst I am in the minority I'll just have to accept the decision of the majority until we collectively grow some balls or I'm in the position to tell QF to GO AND GET STUFFED!!!!!!!
I agree with sunfish and believe we need to call Qantas's bluff. We will always have to keep an eye on costs but I'm sick of being threatened with redundancy if I don't accept my modest 3% with huge productivity gains and management get double digit pay increases whilst QF post record profits.
However the people who ultimately accept or reject any agreement are the members of the union. While I may be disappointed at times with my union leadership I am more dissapointed with my fellow colleagues who consistantly vote to accept to erode our pay and conditions. The most agressive union leadership will make no difference if the member choose to accept the first qf offer.
I can understand peoples reluctance to enter an industrial dispute with QF because they will play hard (and the law is most definetely on their side), but if you don't know your own self worth then you will have to accept whatever Qantas thinks your worth (what's the average pay for an engineer in China?).
At some point we are going to have to stand up and be counted!!!!!!!!!!!
I know some people "get revenge" by accepting a meagre 3% increase and then produce 50% less. This is just a self defeating, soul sapping descent into mediocrity which will ensure our demise.
Whilst I am in the minority I'll just have to accept the decision of the majority until we collectively grow some balls or I'm in the position to tell QF to GO AND GET STUFFED!!!!!!!
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I thought about posting this info a lot but now you will see that the forstaff wishlist which will ultimatley transfer to qf in due time is quite staggering. Read these proposals carefully and see for yourself.
Clause 3.1
Where the company proposes to introduce significant business initiatives or major changes, which have a demonstrable impact on employees, the company will consult with the employees who may be affected by the proposed changes and their union as early as practicable. A demonstrable impact on employees will arise in circumstances such as major changes in technology, outsourcing or the composition, operation or size of the company's workforce or in the skills required, the elimation or diminution of job opportunities.
Clause 5.1
The objective of this agreement is to establish innovative employment arrangements that enable Avalon to effectively compete with international repair organisations allowing maint. to be kept in and attracted to, Australia.
Clause 31.8.1 (Transmission of business)
The provisions of this clause are not applicable where a business is before or after the date of this aggreement, transmitted from the company (in this subclause called the transmittor) to another employer (in this case called the transmittee) in any of the following circumstances.
Clause 31.8.1.1
Where the employee accepts employment with the transmittee which recognises the period of continuous employment which the company had with the transmittor and any prior tramsmittor to be continuous service of the employee with the transmittee or:
Clause 31.8.1.2
Where the employee rejects an offer of employment with the transmittee
(a) in which the terms and conditions are substantially similar and no less favourable, considered on an overall basis, than the terms and conditions applicable to the employee at the time of ceasing employment with the transmittor and,
(b) which recognises the period of continouous service which the employee had with the transmittor and any prior transmittor to be continuous service of the employee with the transmittee.
Clause 3.1
Where the company proposes to introduce significant business initiatives or major changes, which have a demonstrable impact on employees, the company will consult with the employees who may be affected by the proposed changes and their union as early as practicable. A demonstrable impact on employees will arise in circumstances such as major changes in technology, outsourcing or the composition, operation or size of the company's workforce or in the skills required, the elimation or diminution of job opportunities.
Clause 5.1
The objective of this agreement is to establish innovative employment arrangements that enable Avalon to effectively compete with international repair organisations allowing maint. to be kept in and attracted to, Australia.
Clause 31.8.1 (Transmission of business)
The provisions of this clause are not applicable where a business is before or after the date of this aggreement, transmitted from the company (in this subclause called the transmittor) to another employer (in this case called the transmittee) in any of the following circumstances.
Clause 31.8.1.1
Where the employee accepts employment with the transmittee which recognises the period of continuous employment which the company had with the transmittor and any prior tramsmittor to be continuous service of the employee with the transmittee or:
Clause 31.8.1.2
Where the employee rejects an offer of employment with the transmittee
(a) in which the terms and conditions are substantially similar and no less favourable, considered on an overall basis, than the terms and conditions applicable to the employee at the time of ceasing employment with the transmittor and,
(b) which recognises the period of continouous service which the employee had with the transmittor and any prior transmittor to be continuous service of the employee with the transmittee.
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UK SUBS there are now only five things guaranteed by law.They are;
1 2 weeks annual leave
2 10 days sick leave (with certificate)
3 12 months parental leave (unpaid)
4 minimum hourly rate approx $12 per hour-can't remember the exact amount
5 can't remember the last one- maybe someone can enlighten us?
QF can dish up an agreement that only includes these 5 minimum conditions and it will be completely legal.
If you don't like the forthcoming EBA offer then the default positoion once your EBA expires is not your current conditions but these 5 minima.
What YOU accept is up to YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where are you going to draw the line in the sand??????????
1 2 weeks annual leave
2 10 days sick leave (with certificate)
3 12 months parental leave (unpaid)
4 minimum hourly rate approx $12 per hour-can't remember the exact amount
5 can't remember the last one- maybe someone can enlighten us?
QF can dish up an agreement that only includes these 5 minimum conditions and it will be completely legal.
If you don't like the forthcoming EBA offer then the default positoion once your EBA expires is not your current conditions but these 5 minima.
What YOU accept is up to YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where are you going to draw the line in the sand??????????
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Re: 5.1 This mob can’t effectively plan and carry out work on there own aircraft let alone work on another companies aircraft not that this is the fault of the people on the floor they have all but given up trying to fight the system they have to work with and just go along with what ever the highly paid tossers running the place want and collect the cash each week.
Clause 5.1
The objective of this agreement is to establish innovative employment arrangements that enable Avalon to effectively compete with international repair organisations allowing maint. to be kept in and attracted to, Australia.
Clause 5.1
The objective of this agreement is to establish innovative employment arrangements that enable Avalon to effectively compete with international repair organisations allowing maint. to be kept in and attracted to, Australia.
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OK the union is full of people using it to better themselfs thats wrong to most people but the only people interested in these jobs have a hidden agenda.
good news who got sacked, retrenched in the last 10 years that did not want to go
who messed up and could have gone but for the alaea
what do you want a left leaning commonist party that will fight to the death or an insurance policy that you hope you will not need. they are effictive because you do not see them like an antivirus
good on ya the alaea
good news who got sacked, retrenched in the last 10 years that did not want to go
who messed up and could have gone but for the alaea
what do you want a left leaning commonist party that will fight to the death or an insurance policy that you hope you will not need. they are effictive because you do not see them like an antivirus
good on ya the alaea
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Originally Posted by domo
OK the union is full of people using it to better themselfs thats wrong to most people but the only people interested in these jobs have a hidden agenda.
good news who got sacked, retrenched in the last 10 years that did not want to go
who messed up and could have gone but for the alaea
what do you want a left leaning commonist party that will fight to the death or an insurance policy that you hope you will not need. they are effictive because you do not see them like an antivirus
good on ya the alaea
good news who got sacked, retrenched in the last 10 years that did not want to go
who messed up and could have gone but for the alaea
what do you want a left leaning commonist party that will fight to the death or an insurance policy that you hope you will not need. they are effictive because you do not see them like an antivirus
good on ya the alaea
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good news who got sacked, retrenched in the last 10 years that did not want to go
But it won't be long before he is leading us again as the Fed. Sec. feathering his nest for the next sell out.
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ALAEA at it again
looks like the people at the ALAEA are at it again,their about to negotiate down peoples wages and conditions at Avalon due to a threat by forstaff managment that 200 jobs are to go.
It looks like these people at the Alaea know no bounds in their mismangement of peoples conditions.
It was well know that this work was to wrap up once the reconfigs where complete,know they want to neg the remaining workforces conditions down,on what is already **** house conditions,knowing to well there is no more reconfig work left,the remainder of workers are looking at a pay cut.
It looks like these people at the Alaea know no bounds in their mismangement of peoples conditions.
It was well know that this work was to wrap up once the reconfigs where complete,know they want to neg the remaining workforces conditions down,on what is already **** house conditions,knowing to well there is no more reconfig work left,the remainder of workers are looking at a pay cut.
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Re: ALAEA at it again
And no doubt if QF are successful in driving down conditions at AVV they'll use that as a tool to drive down conditions at QF Heavy Maintenance.
As much as they give me the S--ts, you hace to admire the way they plan their industrial strategies beyond the next six or 12 months.
QF has spent years planning these moves. Little by little, inch by inch they have made advances into the real conditions of the LAMES and AME's employed at QF. The ALAEA exec has either been complicit in these moves or too stupid to see them happening despite beeing warned on numerous occasions by those who aren't fooled by the constant cries of "the sky is falling" "we can't afford to pay you any more".
What we are left with is disharmony and uncertainty about our futures as Australian Aircraft Engineers. The irony is that a lot of this has been brought about by those that were trusted to protect our futures and ultimately will bring about the disintegration of the Association as a union body by reducing it's member numbers to such a low figure as to render it powerless.
As much as they give me the S--ts, you hace to admire the way they plan their industrial strategies beyond the next six or 12 months.
QF has spent years planning these moves. Little by little, inch by inch they have made advances into the real conditions of the LAMES and AME's employed at QF. The ALAEA exec has either been complicit in these moves or too stupid to see them happening despite beeing warned on numerous occasions by those who aren't fooled by the constant cries of "the sky is falling" "we can't afford to pay you any more".
What we are left with is disharmony and uncertainty about our futures as Australian Aircraft Engineers. The irony is that a lot of this has been brought about by those that were trusted to protect our futures and ultimately will bring about the disintegration of the Association as a union body by reducing it's member numbers to such a low figure as to render it powerless.