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Just like EVERY other terminal with a hydrant instalation!
So it's NOT like "EVERY other terminal with a hydrant instalation!"
Someone has stuffed up.
Do you get it now?
How long is it expected to be, before the contaminated fuel lines can be purged to bring the quality of fuel to a level where the actual users are willing to accept it?
Perhaps one alternative is for the new airport to waive ALL fees for airlines until the fuel is at an acceptable level, to try to get the terminal up and running?
if tanker refueling was to be carried out, any aircraft would have to be pushed back onto the taxiways for refuelling.
Can we forget about the petty nah nah na nah name-calling for a while, btw?
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Bulletin Article 11/26/2003
forgive the cut and paste, but this is indeed worth the read for those of you ever contemplating moving to ad-dull-ade.
Vanishing state
South Australia may be known officially as the festival state but the reality is that it's still in a right state. Efforts are being made to garner economic credibility but it must be a worry when Croweater jokes start to outnumber Tasmanian gags. BY PATRICK CARLYON
Visitors who mock Adelaide as a throwback to another time often start at the airport. Passengers tread the tarmac into the squat and tired domestic terminal, a shrine to shadows for reasons unknown. As other airports charge for trolleys, torches should be offered at the Qantas baggage carousels. Perhaps the airport authority is trying to save money. After all, South Australia has the highest power bills in the country. You read about them on the front page of the local paper as you splutter into your glass of tap water. Salinity levels in one of Adelaide’s water sources, the Murray River, are rising. That, too, is always in the news.
Chat shows that once picked on Tasmanians now tease South Australians. Much of Australia has dismissed Adelaide as the nation’s largest country town. It is the place that Salman Rushdie was said to have once described as the perfect setting for a horror movie. It is the occasional home of J.M. Coetzee, the shy Nobel literature laureate who has implied that he likes the city’s “slowness”. A new freeway opened a few years back to much hoopla. And amusement. How many major cities open a one-way arterial that changes directions for peak-hour traffic?
It’s little wonder that South Australians tend to suffer an inferiority complex known as the “eastern cringe”. Adelaide’s current “Thinker In Residence”, Charles Landry, has written about Adelaide’s “tendency to be self-satisfied, introverted and defensively positive about itself”. It is a city, he writes, that “speaks far more passionately about the negatives than celebrating achievement”.
Perceptions can be cruel, especially when they grow from damning truths. South Australia has spent the past decade hurtling towards economic irrelevance. The less charitable say the journey started decades earlier. South Australia creeps into the national news when two serial killers dismember bodies and pile them into barrels; loose talk later turns to theories of an evil subculture borne of generational poverty. Or when one of Adelaide’s two AFL teams triumph in the national competition or refugees break out of detention at the now closed Woomera centre. But little else does, except when the Adelaide Festival loses money or Mitsubishi threatens to pull out of the state.
Aside from Lleyton Hewitt, and a few runaway exports, South Australia has had little to celebrate. In 1992, the State Bank collapsed with debts that eventually passed $9bn. The debt worked out at $6414 for every South Australian, or enough to have staged the Sydney Olympics. Asset sell-offs have reduced the debt, but the spectre lingers over every political decision. The memory looms as thickly as the clouds that hang on the Mount Lofty Ranges.
Property prices may have jumped 29% in the past 12 months yet they barely moved in the decade before. Young people continued to chase the head offices east. The population levelled out and aged. Economic growth lagged behind the national average while unemployment sailed straight past it. South Australia’s share of gross domestic product dropped from 7.8% in 1986 to 6.5%. Office buildings lay vacant. Confidence wavered.
If South Australia has had a success in the past decade, and there have been a few, it’s where purple weed streaks the fields and red gums dot the hills. Carriages stand like junkyard antiques in the Barossa Valley, north-east of Adelaide. Vines shudder like skeletons in the breeze, leaves sprouting at their tops in the spring budburst, as mists roll in with dusk.
Stone gateways herald the wineries beyond. Outside Angaston, Saltram has been quick to promote its recent Jimmy Watson Trophy to passing motorists. In 10 years, South Australian wine exports have risen to $1.4bn a year. Plans to triple that figure in five years have been cast. It’s little wonder that some South Australians tend to steer the conversation from formula-one motor racing to wine.
The Zion Lutheran Church stands among the tin roofs and stone walls of Angaston. Many of the Germans who settled here in the 1800s were escaping persecution – their descendants faced similar discrimination during the world wars. A hand-painted sign in front of the church reflects their ethos: “We’re Not Failures Until We Blame Someone Else”.
It’s an approach that sums up the state Labor government’s efforts to divert South _Australia from economic decline. The _unflattering perceptions have to change. Whether South Australia’s talk of prosperity will sway hearts and minds, both within and elsewhere, is the question. If it doesn’t, says one report, Adelaide is doomed to become a “living museum”.
Adelaide nods to yesterday’s charms. Sirens don’t always wail down North Terrace. Motorists willingly stop for pedestrians and sometimes even smile at them. Traffic snarls are momentary. Restaurant prices reflect another century in Melbourne or Sydney. The Adelaide Club still blackballs some prospective members – a well-known businessman was the latest. Membership in the most esteemed clubs remains important in Adelaide.
Debates on shop trading hours run for decades, as do arguments on the merits of closing city streets to traffic, as has the absence of airport air bridges. There are few buildings that soar for the sky. _Several cranes – a crude measure of economic _prosperity – pierce the skyline. For all the gloomy predictions, the past 12 months have been relatively kind to Adelaide.
In Salisbury North, home to serial killers, roof tiles glare and tin roofs rust. Beaten-up Falcons share the roads with _hotted-up Commodores. This is widely considered the “daggy” part of Adelaide where single mums gather for cheap housing. But you wouldn’t know it talking to Salisbury mayor Tony _Zappia. House prices have more than doubled in the past six years and chronic unemployment has dropped. Sleeves rolled up, thoughts pinging, Zappia spends 40 minutes explaining the gradual transformation. His excitement is plain. He could go on for hours.
Roger Rowse drives a taxi 12 hours a day through the Adelaide streets. He makes about $7 an hour but he doesn’t do it for the money. The former Adelaide city councillor has an opinion on everything. Football. Politics. The “arty-farty left-wing _chardonnay set”. No, Rowse argues, South Australia isn’t stuffed after decades of _stagnation, and who better to judge the public mood than a taxi driver? “We’re starting not to feel embarrassed about ourselves,” Rowse says. “We’re starting to feel good about ourselves.”
Car-making, wine and food underpin the state’s export growth. Aquaculture and other niche markets have started to take off. Access Economics, in its latest quarterly report, describes South _Australia’s recent surge in investment, machinery and equipment as “especially intriguing”. _Factors suggest that “business is now betting that South Australia is coming of age and that its economy is finally shaking off the _ravages of the 1980s and the first half of the 1990s”. Yet the report is uncertain that the growth will last.
Premier Mike Rann isn’t getting complacent. His blend of cautious economics and social reform has put his popularity, according to a recent poll, at 94%. But he doesn’t take the numbers too seriously – after eight years as opposition leader, he knows better than to get carried away. He attributes his appeal to being honest with the public.
Rann admits the state is economically screwed without fundamental shifts in policy and attitudes. He was confronted with Mitsubishi’s most recent threat to leave on only his second day in office last year. A combined federal-state grant of $85m convinced the manufacturer to expand research. Yet the case highlights the state’s precarious hold. If Mitsubishi had left, according to some estimates, unemployment rates in the state would have risen a full percentage point for up to the next 10 years.
Rann, once speechwriter to his mentor, Don Dunstan, tends to round his vowels like another Adelaide local, Alexander Downer, but he talks tough about his vision. No more corporate welfare. No more half-baked recipes that never rise. Rann appointed an economic development board (EDB) last year. It’s an impressive list of names which includes Bob Hawke, Carolyn Bart and film director Scott Hicks. The board’s first job was to write a report summarising the past 10 years.
The State of the State was clear-cut. Too many reports had been commissioned and ignored. Leaders had avoided presenting hard truths to constituents. There could be no more “alibis, excuses or buck-passing”.
Board chairman is Robert Champion de Crespigny, the former Normandy Mining boss, who isn’t known for tiptoeing around the truth. De Crespigny has hinted at a return to business but until he does, he will spruik South Australia to sceptical business leaders across Australia. “I’ve never known a place that really could change and do something and it is only us who holds ourselves back,” he tells The Bulletin.
Rann and de Crespigny are playing with few natural advantages, but de Crespigny is keen to promote the benefits of cheaper living. Young business owners, he says, could sell their house in Melbourne, buy the comparable property in Adelaide for about 60% of the cost, and pump 40% into their business. But he acknowledges that the battle ahead is about more than numbers: “I think the great pity is that it’s seen far more negatively than we would care for it to be seen ... but the only way to change that is performance.”
Adelaide was considered a rich city at the start of the 20th century. Its grand buildings of that era were financed with mining windfalls from Broken Hill and Kalgoorlie. Only 20 years ago, Adelaide was virtually run by a “club” of eight or nine men who perpetuated the conservative values of the landed gentry. They sat on the major company boards and built prosperity on protectionist policies. The directors tended not to seek out ideas from the east, or from the west, which grew and passed South Australia some time in the 1980s.
In 1992, a major report by an international consultancy found successive governments, including the legendary Dunstan reign, had failed to lay economic structures. The Bannon government was described “by and large, [as] shooting any bird that flies past”. South Australia flinched when globalised competition and tariff reductions tapped. Enterprise had been stifled by conservatism. Strengths became weaknesses.
--- contd
Since then, South Australia has limped _further behind the rest of the country. Rann calls the 1990s a “call centre-led recovery” that saw education retention rates dwindle. He wants export earnings nearly tripled in the next 10 years. Of 71 EDB recommendations of the EDB, 70 have been passed. A venture capital board has been established and infrastructure, such as fibre-optic cabling, will be installed. Annual progress “report cards” will be issued.
Rann’s ambitions have been tempered by budgetary constraints. The priority is an improved credit rating and his government trimmed nearly $1bn in spending over three years. Now Rann introduces himself at business meetings with a spiel: “I’m really keen on helping you but I know you won’t be asking me for money because you won’t be getting any.”
Six main areas have been identified – education, finance, export capability, _gov-__ _ernment efficiency, infrastructure and population. Some $39m was allocated to these goals in the 2003-04 budget. But the recommendations are high on rhetoric.
Some promise little more than a review and some business leaders aren’t convinced by the patter. “It’s all very well to set targets,” a close observer says. “The feeling among _business people now is that you’ve got to have more than rhetoric.”
Every local seems to have a theory on how to fix Adelaide. Like all economists, both the weekend kind and the wealthy, they join dots that others don’t always see. That more people equals more demand equals more jobs. That the Adelaide-Darwin railway will open Asian trade links. That the new venture capital board will inspire young entrepreneurs to invest. That the thirty_somethings will want to return home.
Rann envisages a return to before the eastern cringe set in, to the Dunstan era when, he says, other states looked to South Australia for social innovations, law reform and education. The distinction between now and then, of course, would be closer attention to the state’s economic levers in a globalised world. “I guess my ambition is to lead and not to follow, to be a destination again, not a home town that kids have to leave,” he says.
But first things first. Plans for a $240m airport redevelopment were announced not long ago. New air bridges and all. It might not be much But it could be a start in South Australia’s battle of perceptions.
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I have first hand experience of this SA Business culture and attitude, I moved the family there 3 years ago, bought a house, settled down, three months after I realised what a terrible mistake I had made, we left post haste. As to the content of the article and the current Mitsubishi ad Campaign (which is supposed to tackle a product with a \"image\" problem, I rest my case.
I commuted for 6 months on dj and qf to get out of ADL and back to SYD, and my favourite advice to people resetting their watches on approach to ADL, was \"It may only be 30 Mins difference , but it feels like 50 years\"
Cruel, but true.
7gcbc
Vanishing state
South Australia may be known officially as the festival state but the reality is that it's still in a right state. Efforts are being made to garner economic credibility but it must be a worry when Croweater jokes start to outnumber Tasmanian gags. BY PATRICK CARLYON
Visitors who mock Adelaide as a throwback to another time often start at the airport. Passengers tread the tarmac into the squat and tired domestic terminal, a shrine to shadows for reasons unknown. As other airports charge for trolleys, torches should be offered at the Qantas baggage carousels. Perhaps the airport authority is trying to save money. After all, South Australia has the highest power bills in the country. You read about them on the front page of the local paper as you splutter into your glass of tap water. Salinity levels in one of Adelaide’s water sources, the Murray River, are rising. That, too, is always in the news.
Chat shows that once picked on Tasmanians now tease South Australians. Much of Australia has dismissed Adelaide as the nation’s largest country town. It is the place that Salman Rushdie was said to have once described as the perfect setting for a horror movie. It is the occasional home of J.M. Coetzee, the shy Nobel literature laureate who has implied that he likes the city’s “slowness”. A new freeway opened a few years back to much hoopla. And amusement. How many major cities open a one-way arterial that changes directions for peak-hour traffic?
It’s little wonder that South Australians tend to suffer an inferiority complex known as the “eastern cringe”. Adelaide’s current “Thinker In Residence”, Charles Landry, has written about Adelaide’s “tendency to be self-satisfied, introverted and defensively positive about itself”. It is a city, he writes, that “speaks far more passionately about the negatives than celebrating achievement”.
Perceptions can be cruel, especially when they grow from damning truths. South Australia has spent the past decade hurtling towards economic irrelevance. The less charitable say the journey started decades earlier. South Australia creeps into the national news when two serial killers dismember bodies and pile them into barrels; loose talk later turns to theories of an evil subculture borne of generational poverty. Or when one of Adelaide’s two AFL teams triumph in the national competition or refugees break out of detention at the now closed Woomera centre. But little else does, except when the Adelaide Festival loses money or Mitsubishi threatens to pull out of the state.
Aside from Lleyton Hewitt, and a few runaway exports, South Australia has had little to celebrate. In 1992, the State Bank collapsed with debts that eventually passed $9bn. The debt worked out at $6414 for every South Australian, or enough to have staged the Sydney Olympics. Asset sell-offs have reduced the debt, but the spectre lingers over every political decision. The memory looms as thickly as the clouds that hang on the Mount Lofty Ranges.
Property prices may have jumped 29% in the past 12 months yet they barely moved in the decade before. Young people continued to chase the head offices east. The population levelled out and aged. Economic growth lagged behind the national average while unemployment sailed straight past it. South Australia’s share of gross domestic product dropped from 7.8% in 1986 to 6.5%. Office buildings lay vacant. Confidence wavered.
If South Australia has had a success in the past decade, and there have been a few, it’s where purple weed streaks the fields and red gums dot the hills. Carriages stand like junkyard antiques in the Barossa Valley, north-east of Adelaide. Vines shudder like skeletons in the breeze, leaves sprouting at their tops in the spring budburst, as mists roll in with dusk.
Stone gateways herald the wineries beyond. Outside Angaston, Saltram has been quick to promote its recent Jimmy Watson Trophy to passing motorists. In 10 years, South Australian wine exports have risen to $1.4bn a year. Plans to triple that figure in five years have been cast. It’s little wonder that some South Australians tend to steer the conversation from formula-one motor racing to wine.
The Zion Lutheran Church stands among the tin roofs and stone walls of Angaston. Many of the Germans who settled here in the 1800s were escaping persecution – their descendants faced similar discrimination during the world wars. A hand-painted sign in front of the church reflects their ethos: “We’re Not Failures Until We Blame Someone Else”.
It’s an approach that sums up the state Labor government’s efforts to divert South _Australia from economic decline. The _unflattering perceptions have to change. Whether South Australia’s talk of prosperity will sway hearts and minds, both within and elsewhere, is the question. If it doesn’t, says one report, Adelaide is doomed to become a “living museum”.
Adelaide nods to yesterday’s charms. Sirens don’t always wail down North Terrace. Motorists willingly stop for pedestrians and sometimes even smile at them. Traffic snarls are momentary. Restaurant prices reflect another century in Melbourne or Sydney. The Adelaide Club still blackballs some prospective members – a well-known businessman was the latest. Membership in the most esteemed clubs remains important in Adelaide.
Debates on shop trading hours run for decades, as do arguments on the merits of closing city streets to traffic, as has the absence of airport air bridges. There are few buildings that soar for the sky. _Several cranes – a crude measure of economic _prosperity – pierce the skyline. For all the gloomy predictions, the past 12 months have been relatively kind to Adelaide.
In Salisbury North, home to serial killers, roof tiles glare and tin roofs rust. Beaten-up Falcons share the roads with _hotted-up Commodores. This is widely considered the “daggy” part of Adelaide where single mums gather for cheap housing. But you wouldn’t know it talking to Salisbury mayor Tony _Zappia. House prices have more than doubled in the past six years and chronic unemployment has dropped. Sleeves rolled up, thoughts pinging, Zappia spends 40 minutes explaining the gradual transformation. His excitement is plain. He could go on for hours.
Roger Rowse drives a taxi 12 hours a day through the Adelaide streets. He makes about $7 an hour but he doesn’t do it for the money. The former Adelaide city councillor has an opinion on everything. Football. Politics. The “arty-farty left-wing _chardonnay set”. No, Rowse argues, South Australia isn’t stuffed after decades of _stagnation, and who better to judge the public mood than a taxi driver? “We’re starting not to feel embarrassed about ourselves,” Rowse says. “We’re starting to feel good about ourselves.”
Car-making, wine and food underpin the state’s export growth. Aquaculture and other niche markets have started to take off. Access Economics, in its latest quarterly report, describes South _Australia’s recent surge in investment, machinery and equipment as “especially intriguing”. _Factors suggest that “business is now betting that South Australia is coming of age and that its economy is finally shaking off the _ravages of the 1980s and the first half of the 1990s”. Yet the report is uncertain that the growth will last.
Premier Mike Rann isn’t getting complacent. His blend of cautious economics and social reform has put his popularity, according to a recent poll, at 94%. But he doesn’t take the numbers too seriously – after eight years as opposition leader, he knows better than to get carried away. He attributes his appeal to being honest with the public.
Rann admits the state is economically screwed without fundamental shifts in policy and attitudes. He was confronted with Mitsubishi’s most recent threat to leave on only his second day in office last year. A combined federal-state grant of $85m convinced the manufacturer to expand research. Yet the case highlights the state’s precarious hold. If Mitsubishi had left, according to some estimates, unemployment rates in the state would have risen a full percentage point for up to the next 10 years.
Rann, once speechwriter to his mentor, Don Dunstan, tends to round his vowels like another Adelaide local, Alexander Downer, but he talks tough about his vision. No more corporate welfare. No more half-baked recipes that never rise. Rann appointed an economic development board (EDB) last year. It’s an impressive list of names which includes Bob Hawke, Carolyn Bart and film director Scott Hicks. The board’s first job was to write a report summarising the past 10 years.
The State of the State was clear-cut. Too many reports had been commissioned and ignored. Leaders had avoided presenting hard truths to constituents. There could be no more “alibis, excuses or buck-passing”.
Board chairman is Robert Champion de Crespigny, the former Normandy Mining boss, who isn’t known for tiptoeing around the truth. De Crespigny has hinted at a return to business but until he does, he will spruik South Australia to sceptical business leaders across Australia. “I’ve never known a place that really could change and do something and it is only us who holds ourselves back,” he tells The Bulletin.
Rann and de Crespigny are playing with few natural advantages, but de Crespigny is keen to promote the benefits of cheaper living. Young business owners, he says, could sell their house in Melbourne, buy the comparable property in Adelaide for about 60% of the cost, and pump 40% into their business. But he acknowledges that the battle ahead is about more than numbers: “I think the great pity is that it’s seen far more negatively than we would care for it to be seen ... but the only way to change that is performance.”
Adelaide was considered a rich city at the start of the 20th century. Its grand buildings of that era were financed with mining windfalls from Broken Hill and Kalgoorlie. Only 20 years ago, Adelaide was virtually run by a “club” of eight or nine men who perpetuated the conservative values of the landed gentry. They sat on the major company boards and built prosperity on protectionist policies. The directors tended not to seek out ideas from the east, or from the west, which grew and passed South Australia some time in the 1980s.
In 1992, a major report by an international consultancy found successive governments, including the legendary Dunstan reign, had failed to lay economic structures. The Bannon government was described “by and large, [as] shooting any bird that flies past”. South Australia flinched when globalised competition and tariff reductions tapped. Enterprise had been stifled by conservatism. Strengths became weaknesses.
--- contd
Since then, South Australia has limped _further behind the rest of the country. Rann calls the 1990s a “call centre-led recovery” that saw education retention rates dwindle. He wants export earnings nearly tripled in the next 10 years. Of 71 EDB recommendations of the EDB, 70 have been passed. A venture capital board has been established and infrastructure, such as fibre-optic cabling, will be installed. Annual progress “report cards” will be issued.
Rann’s ambitions have been tempered by budgetary constraints. The priority is an improved credit rating and his government trimmed nearly $1bn in spending over three years. Now Rann introduces himself at business meetings with a spiel: “I’m really keen on helping you but I know you won’t be asking me for money because you won’t be getting any.”
Six main areas have been identified – education, finance, export capability, _gov-__ _ernment efficiency, infrastructure and population. Some $39m was allocated to these goals in the 2003-04 budget. But the recommendations are high on rhetoric.
Some promise little more than a review and some business leaders aren’t convinced by the patter. “It’s all very well to set targets,” a close observer says. “The feeling among _business people now is that you’ve got to have more than rhetoric.”
Every local seems to have a theory on how to fix Adelaide. Like all economists, both the weekend kind and the wealthy, they join dots that others don’t always see. That more people equals more demand equals more jobs. That the Adelaide-Darwin railway will open Asian trade links. That the new venture capital board will inspire young entrepreneurs to invest. That the thirty_somethings will want to return home.
Rann envisages a return to before the eastern cringe set in, to the Dunstan era when, he says, other states looked to South Australia for social innovations, law reform and education. The distinction between now and then, of course, would be closer attention to the state’s economic levers in a globalised world. “I guess my ambition is to lead and not to follow, to be a destination again, not a home town that kids have to leave,” he says.
But first things first. Plans for a $240m airport redevelopment were announced not long ago. New air bridges and all. It might not be much But it could be a start in South Australia’s battle of perceptions.
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I have first hand experience of this SA Business culture and attitude, I moved the family there 3 years ago, bought a house, settled down, three months after I realised what a terrible mistake I had made, we left post haste. As to the content of the article and the current Mitsubishi ad Campaign (which is supposed to tackle a product with a \"image\" problem, I rest my case.
I commuted for 6 months on dj and qf to get out of ADL and back to SYD, and my favourite advice to people resetting their watches on approach to ADL, was \"It may only be 30 Mins difference , but it feels like 50 years\"
Cruel, but true.
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Hi'er,
Your argument only works if ADL is the only terminal with hydrant refueling and not enough space to drive between the aircraft. It's NOT! So come down off you're pedestal and give up the Holier than Thou attitude.
Your argument only works if ADL is the only terminal with hydrant refueling and not enough space to drive between the aircraft. It's NOT! So come down off you're pedestal and give up the Holier than Thou attitude.
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I do however have one disagreement with my tome of a post:
"Motorists willingly stop for pedestrians and sometimes even smile at them"
not an iota of truth in that, ADL drivers are used to empty roads and their lack of consideration for pedestrians is legendary.
"Motorists willingly stop for pedestrians and sometimes even smile at them"
not an iota of truth in that, ADL drivers are used to empty roads and their lack of consideration for pedestrians is legendary.
Good for you mate. I hope that made you feel better. Guess what, some 1 million people do actually live here and most of them don't give a flying f*ck what people think of Adelaide. I'm happy living here but I am getting ready to move interstate (most likely up north) as I have a .0000001% chance of finding my first flying job here. Big deal.
Can we get back to the friggin terminal now!?
"Perhaps one alternative is for the new airport to waive ALL fees for airlines until the fuel is at an acceptable level, to try to get the terminal up and running?"
Hier that doesn't really make sense. To get the terminal up and running you need aircraft, to get aircraft you need fuel. If the fuel isn't at an acceptable level then no amount of fee waiving will get them to shift to the new terminal.
As an old man said on the news the other night "we've been waiting 40 years for this terminal, whats another 3 months!?"
Can we get back to the friggin terminal now!?
"Perhaps one alternative is for the new airport to waive ALL fees for airlines until the fuel is at an acceptable level, to try to get the terminal up and running?"
Hier that doesn't really make sense. To get the terminal up and running you need aircraft, to get aircraft you need fuel. If the fuel isn't at an acceptable level then no amount of fee waiving will get them to shift to the new terminal.
As an old man said on the news the other night "we've been waiting 40 years for this terminal, whats another 3 months!?"
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Tagneah - you speaka da English?
You wrote:
"They can't (tanker fuel) because the bays are too close together!!!! Just like EVERY other terminal with a hydrant instalation! Do you get it now?"
And now change that to:
"Your argument only works if ADL is the only terminal with hydrant refueling and not enough space to drive between the aircraft."
Admit you are wrong.
I was considering offsetting the cost of aircraft tankering fuel to ADL being offset by the zero charges.
You wrote:
"They can't (tanker fuel) because the bays are too close together!!!! Just like EVERY other terminal with a hydrant instalation! Do you get it now?"
And now change that to:
"Your argument only works if ADL is the only terminal with hydrant refueling and not enough space to drive between the aircraft."
Admit you are wrong.
To get the terminal up and running you need aircraft, to get aircraft you need fuel.
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Chazdat,
Apologies for the knife post, do I feel better, not really, I wished that ADL would have been different ? Yes I do, Can I say that I have confidence in ADL Business ? NO , is my perception or anyone elses improved by this airport mess, ? not by a long shot.
That in esence is the problem, that is why the state is bleeding its youth, the current "boys club" in adelaide who run the state, most of whom hail from the two prominent public schools are in effect , wholly second rate.
Sure, they'll be fine with their multi million mansions in glen osmond or burnside, but what about the future of the state, the airport debacle is another mess, if its wrong, its wrong, no two ways about it, and moaning that the lines will not pick up the latent risk is just another Saints or Prince AL boy moaning about the fact, admit the mistake, fix it and move on.
Something I rarely saw in my time there.
Perception = Reality for some people, and cruel or not, sometimes its true.
Apologies for the knife post, do I feel better, not really, I wished that ADL would have been different ? Yes I do, Can I say that I have confidence in ADL Business ? NO , is my perception or anyone elses improved by this airport mess, ? not by a long shot.
That in esence is the problem, that is why the state is bleeding its youth, the current "boys club" in adelaide who run the state, most of whom hail from the two prominent public schools are in effect , wholly second rate.
Sure, they'll be fine with their multi million mansions in glen osmond or burnside, but what about the future of the state, the airport debacle is another mess, if its wrong, its wrong, no two ways about it, and moaning that the lines will not pick up the latent risk is just another Saints or Prince AL boy moaning about the fact, admit the mistake, fix it and move on.
Something I rarely saw in my time there.
Perception = Reality for some people, and cruel or not, sometimes its true.
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7gcbc.
I live in one of the larger cities in Far North Queensland so I am able to express an independent point on Adelaide. From my perspective, I'd much rather live there than Sydney or Melbourne where it costs at least $20,000 p.a. more to live. Housing prices are exorbidant in those cities with the OECD recently saying that Australian Real Estate is 52.8% overvalued. The highest in the world. The next closest being the UK at 32% overvalued. No doubt the overvakue of the Australian market brought on by Sydney and Melbourne.
I think it is time for people to remember that we are all Australians and just not those living on the east coast. Although, it is often hard to convince people from Sydney and Melbourne of this.
Adelaide won the Submarine Contract and now the Air warfare Destroyer project (worth billions of dollars), so obviously it is the leading State for Defence procurement at least as far as money goes. Maybe it was because they have a Foreign Minister and Defence Minister in the cabinet, but they are only two of the whole bunch - so the others must have thought Adelaide to be a good proposition too.
As far as the airport is concerned, it is a real sad case and hopefully their problems will be resolved soon. NJS that operates Dash 8, BAe-146, B717, B727 and who recently won a national contract to operate Qantaslink flights in WA, NT and QLD is headquartered there. They also have responsibility for Australian Air Express freighters on a national level and are an owner of Surveillance Australia (also HQ) in Adelaide which recently won a $1 billion contract. So, not bad for an Adelaide company? And, what about Peter Costello's mate, Rob Gerard - he seems to be doing alright one way or the other even if he is no longer on the Reserve Bank board. Reported nationally that Lion Nathan are trying to buy Cooper's Brewery out at a couple of hundred million dollars. So, to many people business looks good in Adelaide.
Now - back to bed and to reading my book. Why do I read this cr@p on Pprune - it just gets me going sometimes?
I live in one of the larger cities in Far North Queensland so I am able to express an independent point on Adelaide. From my perspective, I'd much rather live there than Sydney or Melbourne where it costs at least $20,000 p.a. more to live. Housing prices are exorbidant in those cities with the OECD recently saying that Australian Real Estate is 52.8% overvalued. The highest in the world. The next closest being the UK at 32% overvalued. No doubt the overvakue of the Australian market brought on by Sydney and Melbourne.
I think it is time for people to remember that we are all Australians and just not those living on the east coast. Although, it is often hard to convince people from Sydney and Melbourne of this.
Adelaide won the Submarine Contract and now the Air warfare Destroyer project (worth billions of dollars), so obviously it is the leading State for Defence procurement at least as far as money goes. Maybe it was because they have a Foreign Minister and Defence Minister in the cabinet, but they are only two of the whole bunch - so the others must have thought Adelaide to be a good proposition too.
As far as the airport is concerned, it is a real sad case and hopefully their problems will be resolved soon. NJS that operates Dash 8, BAe-146, B717, B727 and who recently won a national contract to operate Qantaslink flights in WA, NT and QLD is headquartered there. They also have responsibility for Australian Air Express freighters on a national level and are an owner of Surveillance Australia (also HQ) in Adelaide which recently won a $1 billion contract. So, not bad for an Adelaide company? And, what about Peter Costello's mate, Rob Gerard - he seems to be doing alright one way or the other even if he is no longer on the Reserve Bank board. Reported nationally that Lion Nathan are trying to buy Cooper's Brewery out at a couple of hundred million dollars. So, to many people business looks good in Adelaide.
Now - back to bed and to reading my book. Why do I read this cr@p on Pprune - it just gets me going sometimes?
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I think 'won' is the wrong word to use with regards those defence contracts dude....more like 'given' or 'thrown a lifeline' or even 'politically unavoidable'.
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"Adelaide’s “tendency to be self-satisfied, introverted and defensively positive about itself”. "
It's true, people that live in Adelaide, live there because they like the way it is. If they wanted it to be like Melbourne or Sydney, then they would've moved.
7gcbc or whatever your name is, you have the attitude (no offence) of a typical Sydney sider. Moving from Sydney to Adelaide is going to be a huge shock and a huge difference, you can't compare the two, two completely different cities and with the attitude you had after only three months, it's probably a good thing that you left, pity you didn't give it much of a go though. Yes certain parts of Adelaide is like going back 50 years, but you know what, the locals like it like that, there's something to think about............Although i'm sure everyone in Adelaide can agree, they would've liked a new airport years ago. The current poor old airports are looking a bit tired, haha.
As you can tell, even though i don't live in Adelaide anymore, i'll defend SA until i'm blue in the face! haha
It's true, people that live in Adelaide, live there because they like the way it is. If they wanted it to be like Melbourne or Sydney, then they would've moved.
7gcbc or whatever your name is, you have the attitude (no offence) of a typical Sydney sider. Moving from Sydney to Adelaide is going to be a huge shock and a huge difference, you can't compare the two, two completely different cities and with the attitude you had after only three months, it's probably a good thing that you left, pity you didn't give it much of a go though. Yes certain parts of Adelaide is like going back 50 years, but you know what, the locals like it like that, there's something to think about............Although i'm sure everyone in Adelaide can agree, they would've liked a new airport years ago. The current poor old airports are looking a bit tired, haha.
As you can tell, even though i don't live in Adelaide anymore, i'll defend SA until i'm blue in the face! haha
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No I dont work for AAL. Just at Adelaide.
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To get all shirty because Tag wrote All and ask him/her to admit he/she is wrong is a bit much. All of us with comprehension skills can understand the argument they are putting forth but in you childish Nyah Nyah ways you obviously hate to be proved wrong and revert back to the "Im better at english than you are"
Grow up.
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To get all shirty because Tag wrote All and ask him/her to admit he/she is wrong is a bit much. All of us with comprehension skills can understand the argument they are putting forth but in you childish Nyah Nyah ways you obviously hate to be proved wrong and revert back to the "Im better at english than you are"
Grow up.
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Sigh!
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Can you read?
Have you read the first post of mine on this thread? No? Well it hasn't been edited its still there. Just incase you have problem with you internet here is the important bit:
Please note my use of the word MOST.
When an argument doesn't go your way I can just immagine you peering into you screen hoping that the poster has made a gramatical error.
Maybe when your flying school allows you to fly into big airports you will see what im talking about, and that is this problem is not a design fault.
Have a great day!
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Can you read?
Have you read the first post of mine on this thread? No? Well it hasn't been edited its still there. Just incase you have problem with you internet here is the important bit:
Most of the terminals of similar design (ie lots of gates together) around the world have no room between parked aircraft for trucks.
When an argument doesn't go your way I can just immagine you peering into you screen hoping that the poster has made a gramatical error.
Maybe when your flying school allows you to fly into big airports you will see what im talking about, and that is this problem is not a design fault.
Have a great day!
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My flying school allows me to fly ONLY into the airports where the big boys are allowed to play.
Perhaps that was the problem with the designers, and "consultants" who hand a finger in the pie designing Australia's current White Elephant - the new Adelaide Airportv - they hadn't experienced life outside the confines of little G.A. airports, prior to drawing up the specs for this one.
My intention to get involved in this debate was to try to throw a few new ideas into the ring, as to how it MIGHT be resolved, but it is apparent that there are some people (Adelaide-ites, I guess) who feel the need to protect their backs at all cost.
It's a design fcuk-up, and it has taken the fuel contamination to highlight the deficiencies that now set THIS airport apart from normal ones.
Perhaps that was the problem with the designers, and "consultants" who hand a finger in the pie designing Australia's current White Elephant - the new Adelaide Airportv - they hadn't experienced life outside the confines of little G.A. airports, prior to drawing up the specs for this one.
My intention to get involved in this debate was to try to throw a few new ideas into the ring, as to how it MIGHT be resolved, but it is apparent that there are some people (Adelaide-ites, I guess) who feel the need to protect their backs at all cost.
It's a design fcuk-up, and it has taken the fuel contamination to highlight the deficiencies that now set THIS airport apart from normal ones.
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"Perhaps that was the problem with the designers, and "consultants" who hand a finger in the pie designing Australia's current White Elephant "
OZcabincrew,
well my experience with an Australian Icon in ADL really taught me a lesson , that small mindedness, favouritism, undermining and ultimately lack of confidence is what drives business there, they would not change, nor innovate, no admit mistakes,NO TEAMWORK (note capitals), nor accept anything outside what they were used to, blindly and irresponsibly sailing over the edge whilst covering their own arses, and putting most of their efforts into ensuring everyone else looked bad.
My parting words to this Icon (it no longer exists - having been bought out) were that they would make cassius and brutus look like amateur conspirators.
The company ? Southcorp wines, which through use of its volume discounts destroyed most of the boutique wineries in SA, peddled volume plonk into the supermarkets, destroyed its own brand equity, screwed growers and retailers, and foolishly got royally rooted in the european market by the supermarkets and managed to lose 1/3 of its capitalization in one year alone!!!
How many jobs gone at Nuri then ? How many throughout the vale and barossa in terms of tourism ?
Mitsubishi is another example, it is crystal clear that the brand has an image problem, then get a bloody professional agency to do a proper campaign to flog the idea , not the rubbish that is currently being aired, christ sake, that just smacks of another bloody incompetent cpa who goes to the cricket with his boss and hangs out with the old boys from saints.......
With attitudes like that, you are damaging your sustainability, and irrecovably building a financial and perceptive rod for your back in the future.
Not a sydneysider, London 10 years, Dublin 2, Paris 1, Amsterdam 2, Sydney 3, Adl 1.
I wish I could have had confidence in the sustainability of adl, but this airport debacle really should not have happened if people were professional and worked as a team.
The most frustrating thing for me personally, is I saw it coming, (honest) and was essentially ignored, its a bit like telling a 3 year old not to put a round in the chamber and ................
It is overall a nice place, but there are issues..... some significant ones, in my 16 odd years of working , I have never seen the kind of blatant favouritism, and lack of professionialism, almost criminal incompetence, latent racism (towards Greeks/Indians - with whom I became instant friends) that I was privy to at SRP.
OZcabincrew,
well my experience with an Australian Icon in ADL really taught me a lesson , that small mindedness, favouritism, undermining and ultimately lack of confidence is what drives business there, they would not change, nor innovate, no admit mistakes,NO TEAMWORK (note capitals), nor accept anything outside what they were used to, blindly and irresponsibly sailing over the edge whilst covering their own arses, and putting most of their efforts into ensuring everyone else looked bad.
My parting words to this Icon (it no longer exists - having been bought out) were that they would make cassius and brutus look like amateur conspirators.
The company ? Southcorp wines, which through use of its volume discounts destroyed most of the boutique wineries in SA, peddled volume plonk into the supermarkets, destroyed its own brand equity, screwed growers and retailers, and foolishly got royally rooted in the european market by the supermarkets and managed to lose 1/3 of its capitalization in one year alone!!!
How many jobs gone at Nuri then ? How many throughout the vale and barossa in terms of tourism ?
Mitsubishi is another example, it is crystal clear that the brand has an image problem, then get a bloody professional agency to do a proper campaign to flog the idea , not the rubbish that is currently being aired, christ sake, that just smacks of another bloody incompetent cpa who goes to the cricket with his boss and hangs out with the old boys from saints.......
With attitudes like that, you are damaging your sustainability, and irrecovably building a financial and perceptive rod for your back in the future.
Not a sydneysider, London 10 years, Dublin 2, Paris 1, Amsterdam 2, Sydney 3, Adl 1.
I wish I could have had confidence in the sustainability of adl, but this airport debacle really should not have happened if people were professional and worked as a team.
The most frustrating thing for me personally, is I saw it coming, (honest) and was essentially ignored, its a bit like telling a 3 year old not to put a round in the chamber and ................
It is overall a nice place, but there are issues..... some significant ones, in my 16 odd years of working , I have never seen the kind of blatant favouritism, and lack of professionialism, almost criminal incompetence, latent racism (towards Greeks/Indians - with whom I became instant friends) that I was privy to at SRP.
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Lived in Adelaide for one year and you are an expert on the place? As regards to your quote on Adelaide's "latent racsim" - well all you have to do is look at Sydney at the moment where racism is far more prominent. Maybe you should resettle in London which is obviously a much "safer" place to be than Adelaide and which you enjoy - spent 10 years there as you say! I think you have a BIG chip on your shoulder laddie.
Lived in Adelaide for one year and you are an expert on the place? As regards to your quote on Adelaide's "latent racsim" - well all you have to do is look at Sydney at the moment where racism is far more prominent. Maybe you should resettle in London which is obviously a much "safer" place to be than Adelaide and which you enjoy - spent 10 years there as you say! I think you have a BIG chip on your shoulder laddie.
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adelaide.............indeed........
what more can I say...........
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...235988657.html
1 year, not really 18 months to be precise, it felt however, like 10 years........
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...235988657.html
1 year, not really 18 months to be precise, it felt however, like 10 years........