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Blue skies for Qantas in new workplace laws
Sat "Melbourne Age"
Blue skies for Qantas in new workplace laws
By David Humphries
December 3, 2005
BUSINESS is forecasting financial windfalls from the Federal Government's industrial relations overhaul, with Qantas tipped as a key battleground - and a lucrative winner.
As the legislation was passed in the Senate yesterday, a global investment bank was predicting Qantas would reap big financial dividends by exploiting provisions that "significantly reduce labour costs in coming years".
Credit Suisse First Boston's rosy forecast is based on two controversial features of the bill.
The first is the ability - asserted by CS First Boston and others but denied by the Government - of firms to strip staff of their existing entitlements after one year by transferring them to other companies they control.
The other is the Government's ability to decree industries as essential services and, according to the bank, effectively spare them from industrial action.
Utilising both, argues CS First Boston, Qantas would have the upper hand in negotiations with unions, basically allowing it to push down labour costs to better compete with Asian and New Zealand rivals.
Qantas would not comment but its boss, Geoff Dixon, has set a $1.5 billion savings target over two years and has loudly championed the legislation, which was passed in the Senate after the inclusion of 337 Government amendments.
In mid-October, Mr Dixon said the changes would "give established, successful companies like Qantas greater flexibility".
The Government said yesterday that the CS First Boston analysis fundamentally misrepresented its workplace changes.
What the bank insisted was a "transmission of business" - the shifting of a large number of Qantas staff to the low-cost off-shoot, Jetstar - was in fact nothing but a transfer or secondment of staff, according to the office of the Workplace Relations Minister, Kevin Andrews.
And even if there were a transmission of business, the bank wrongly assumed that workers would be disadvantaged, because under the new system they would retain the higher pay and conditions for a maximum of only 12 months after the move, compared with the current open-ended arrangement.
"Under WorkChoices, conditions are transmitted for a guaranteed period; under current law, the Industrial Relations Commission can stop it," said one staffer.
The Government also accused CS First Boston of misunderstanding the essential services provision. If industrial action threatened life, safety, health or welfare or risked damage to the economy, and aviation was declared an emergency service, disputing parties would be pushed to arbitration.
But legal experts said Qantas was well placed to exploit "transmission" changes, a view articulated by a Flinders University law professor, Andrew Stewart, who said application of transmission rules would go beyond genuine business transfers.
CS First Boston says Qantas's profit will jump by a quarter if the airline matches Air New Zealand's unit labour costs.
Profit growth would be much bigger again if Qantas got labour costs to even 50 per cent above that of Emirates or Singapore Airlines.
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Blue skies for Qantas in new workplace laws
By David Humphries
December 3, 2005
BUSINESS is forecasting financial windfalls from the Federal Government's industrial relations overhaul, with Qantas tipped as a key battleground - and a lucrative winner.
As the legislation was passed in the Senate yesterday, a global investment bank was predicting Qantas would reap big financial dividends by exploiting provisions that "significantly reduce labour costs in coming years".
Credit Suisse First Boston's rosy forecast is based on two controversial features of the bill.
The first is the ability - asserted by CS First Boston and others but denied by the Government - of firms to strip staff of their existing entitlements after one year by transferring them to other companies they control.
The other is the Government's ability to decree industries as essential services and, according to the bank, effectively spare them from industrial action.
Utilising both, argues CS First Boston, Qantas would have the upper hand in negotiations with unions, basically allowing it to push down labour costs to better compete with Asian and New Zealand rivals.
Qantas would not comment but its boss, Geoff Dixon, has set a $1.5 billion savings target over two years and has loudly championed the legislation, which was passed in the Senate after the inclusion of 337 Government amendments.
In mid-October, Mr Dixon said the changes would "give established, successful companies like Qantas greater flexibility".
The Government said yesterday that the CS First Boston analysis fundamentally misrepresented its workplace changes.
What the bank insisted was a "transmission of business" - the shifting of a large number of Qantas staff to the low-cost off-shoot, Jetstar - was in fact nothing but a transfer or secondment of staff, according to the office of the Workplace Relations Minister, Kevin Andrews.
And even if there were a transmission of business, the bank wrongly assumed that workers would be disadvantaged, because under the new system they would retain the higher pay and conditions for a maximum of only 12 months after the move, compared with the current open-ended arrangement.
"Under WorkChoices, conditions are transmitted for a guaranteed period; under current law, the Industrial Relations Commission can stop it," said one staffer.
The Government also accused CS First Boston of misunderstanding the essential services provision. If industrial action threatened life, safety, health or welfare or risked damage to the economy, and aviation was declared an emergency service, disputing parties would be pushed to arbitration.
But legal experts said Qantas was well placed to exploit "transmission" changes, a view articulated by a Flinders University law professor, Andrew Stewart, who said application of transmission rules would go beyond genuine business transfers.
CS First Boston says Qantas's profit will jump by a quarter if the airline matches Air New Zealand's unit labour costs.
Profit growth would be much bigger again if Qantas got labour costs to even 50 per cent above that of Emirates or Singapore Airlines.
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it is a nightmare
The more you read the scarier it is....
That boofhead Joyce is nothing but a featherweight.
I didn't vote for the coalition and I didn't vote for the EBA. It will be interesting to watch this unfold.
The short- term- ism of Qantas mangement is incredible, they dress it up in the "Sustainable futures" title. As someone once said, you can polish it all you like but at the end of the day it is still a tu*d.
Engagement...wonder how it is going
That boofhead Joyce is nothing but a featherweight.
I didn't vote for the coalition and I didn't vote for the EBA. It will be interesting to watch this unfold.
The short- term- ism of Qantas mangement is incredible, they dress it up in the "Sustainable futures" title. As someone once said, you can polish it all you like but at the end of the day it is still a tu*d.
Engagement...wonder how it is going
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The end of living and the beginning of survival.
Ask anybody you know who lives and works a non-white collar job on the U.S. how great their I.R. system is. Cause that's the road Howard and his idealogy are sending us. No longer will you be able to raise and enjoy a family on one full-time income. You'll be forced to work second and third jobs to make ends meet (this is where all these "new" jobs are created). Meanwhile, family life deteriorates because you're hardly ever home and holidays are a thing of the past.
Good on ya John. Hope you enjoy the rest of your stay in the lodge. Because come the next election you will be shown the door in no unceratin fashion.
Ask anybody you know who lives and works a non-white collar job on the U.S. how great their I.R. system is. Cause that's the road Howard and his idealogy are sending us. No longer will you be able to raise and enjoy a family on one full-time income. You'll be forced to work second and third jobs to make ends meet (this is where all these "new" jobs are created). Meanwhile, family life deteriorates because you're hardly ever home and holidays are a thing of the past.
Good on ya John. Hope you enjoy the rest of your stay in the lodge. Because come the next election you will be shown the door in no unceratin fashion.
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What a load of garbage. I think you guys have been paying too much attention to all the ACTU propoganda. We currently work to a system created in 1904...100+ years ago. Don't you think it is time we are dragged kicking and screaming (for some) into the 21st century?
In 6 months from now (just as happened with the introduction of the GST) we will all be saying "what was all the fuss about". Sensationalist rhetoric from a irrelevant organisation such the ACTU should be seen for what it is...vacuous diatribe, bereft of substance and intelligence.
Is it any wonder only 16% of the work force are unionised. Most are still waiting for a good reason to join. But you guys keep beating your little drum. Nobody is listening, but if it makes you feel good, bang away!!
The people with a good work ethic and a preparedness to put in the time will not only make more money, they will also have a better quality of life.
Lets wait 6 months and see who is right.
Post Script. I will definately be voting for Howard at the next election. This mob are the best economic managers we have had...by a very long way.
In 6 months from now (just as happened with the introduction of the GST) we will all be saying "what was all the fuss about". Sensationalist rhetoric from a irrelevant organisation such the ACTU should be seen for what it is...vacuous diatribe, bereft of substance and intelligence.
Is it any wonder only 16% of the work force are unionised. Most are still waiting for a good reason to join. But you guys keep beating your little drum. Nobody is listening, but if it makes you feel good, bang away!!
The people with a good work ethic and a preparedness to put in the time will not only make more money, they will also have a better quality of life.
Lets wait 6 months and see who is right.
Post Script. I will definately be voting for Howard at the next election. This mob are the best economic managers we have had...by a very long way.
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John Howard is the spritual embodiment of the Australian people - small minded, mean sprited and mediocre
You've gotta love w@nkers like Coitus who have been working to conditions hard fought and won by people in unions since 1904 - then bitch about the irrelevance of unions.
The GST six months on was not a case of wht was all the fuss about, it was, and still is, collecting taxes for the govt on an unpaid basis, and sending the cash quaterly, etc etc. people just had to accept it.
Coitus, people will be putting in extra effort, but the rewards will be lesser. Alot of people will suffer under this new system, and it may take more than 6 months, but slowly and surely, welcome to a huge working poor in Australia.
I sincerely hope for your sake, you don't fall on difficult times, cause humble pie is a mother****er.
You wannabe Thatcherites really take the cake.
You've gotta love w@nkers like Coitus who have been working to conditions hard fought and won by people in unions since 1904 - then bitch about the irrelevance of unions.
The GST six months on was not a case of wht was all the fuss about, it was, and still is, collecting taxes for the govt on an unpaid basis, and sending the cash quaterly, etc etc. people just had to accept it.
Coitus, people will be putting in extra effort, but the rewards will be lesser. Alot of people will suffer under this new system, and it may take more than 6 months, but slowly and surely, welcome to a huge working poor in Australia.
I sincerely hope for your sake, you don't fall on difficult times, cause humble pie is a mother****er.
You wannabe Thatcherites really take the cake.
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This fella knows little of Australian's political economy.
Yes, the IR system is about 100 years old, but there's nothing wrong with that. It's not out of date and has historically been sufficiently flexible to allow change over time. Arbitration rulings have been characterised by evolving principals of wage determination.
The system came about as part of the historical compromise that forged Australia's economic institutions in the face of the depression and social strife of the 1890s. It constituted a bi/multipartisan recognition of the need for equitable systems that could managed the competing interests in a modern capitalist economy. It encouraged parties to form bodies (trade unions and employer associations) to represent those interests before quasi-judicial courts. When there was strife, these courts could intervene and, if need be, force an outcome that all parties had to abide by. It wasn't just the most powerful who won. These institutions create marginal inefficiencies. You get trade-offs for imposing a modicum of fairness into the system. The most important thing is that it has more or less eliminated the working poor in this country. Unlike most other Anglo-Saxon nations, which otherwise have similar institutions (as compared to other advanced western democracies), Australia's IR system has managed to stop the poor getting poorer. This is the very institution that has underpinned Australia’s notion of the 'fair go'. It's not just a cultural myth or a belief system that we've constructed over time. It has a tangible institutional basis. The US is a good comparison here. While there difference across that various states, on the whole Americans without marketable skills only have notions of god and country to supper. Theirs is not the American dream and never will be.
Unfortunately, the Howard government's revolution in industrial law is part of a continuum initiated by federal Labor. Hawke/Keating and Howard actually differ little in their economic management. Both sides of politics are full of neo-librarals/economic rationalists. This continues to be the case. It may take time for the impact of the law to be felt. However, most Australian employees are not union members, many have mortgages and most are imbued with the protestant work ethic and therefore think that if they work hard some good will come of it. This means that the working population, in the main, are easy targets if employers want and need to cut costs and are prepared to do it at employees’ expense. The new laws force most wage earners into the federal system and the new laws are designed to enhance management's capacity to tailor the terms and conditions of work to meet their needs. If you're not in a union the only thing you've got to rely on is the benevolent employer. Maybe the real test will come when we confront our next economic downturn. The economy always cycles. It's necessarily only a matter time when the current wave of prosperity falters.
The bruhaha over the passage of the legislation and the campaign by the ACTU (and the BCA) reflect the very issues that brought arbitration into existence in the first place. The systematic tensions that exist between employee and employer have not disappeared with the passage of time. They've just been ameliorated by the laws historically governing industrial relations and the labour market. Human beings can be really bad to each other, especially when there are marked power differentials between them. The industrial relations of past was a brutal and ugly business. As a nation, we made such social progress under arbitration. Yet, under Howard it may all be dashed.
Yes, time will indeed tell.
Cheers,
Matthew.
Yes, the IR system is about 100 years old, but there's nothing wrong with that. It's not out of date and has historically been sufficiently flexible to allow change over time. Arbitration rulings have been characterised by evolving principals of wage determination.
The system came about as part of the historical compromise that forged Australia's economic institutions in the face of the depression and social strife of the 1890s. It constituted a bi/multipartisan recognition of the need for equitable systems that could managed the competing interests in a modern capitalist economy. It encouraged parties to form bodies (trade unions and employer associations) to represent those interests before quasi-judicial courts. When there was strife, these courts could intervene and, if need be, force an outcome that all parties had to abide by. It wasn't just the most powerful who won. These institutions create marginal inefficiencies. You get trade-offs for imposing a modicum of fairness into the system. The most important thing is that it has more or less eliminated the working poor in this country. Unlike most other Anglo-Saxon nations, which otherwise have similar institutions (as compared to other advanced western democracies), Australia's IR system has managed to stop the poor getting poorer. This is the very institution that has underpinned Australia’s notion of the 'fair go'. It's not just a cultural myth or a belief system that we've constructed over time. It has a tangible institutional basis. The US is a good comparison here. While there difference across that various states, on the whole Americans without marketable skills only have notions of god and country to supper. Theirs is not the American dream and never will be.
Unfortunately, the Howard government's revolution in industrial law is part of a continuum initiated by federal Labor. Hawke/Keating and Howard actually differ little in their economic management. Both sides of politics are full of neo-librarals/economic rationalists. This continues to be the case. It may take time for the impact of the law to be felt. However, most Australian employees are not union members, many have mortgages and most are imbued with the protestant work ethic and therefore think that if they work hard some good will come of it. This means that the working population, in the main, are easy targets if employers want and need to cut costs and are prepared to do it at employees’ expense. The new laws force most wage earners into the federal system and the new laws are designed to enhance management's capacity to tailor the terms and conditions of work to meet their needs. If you're not in a union the only thing you've got to rely on is the benevolent employer. Maybe the real test will come when we confront our next economic downturn. The economy always cycles. It's necessarily only a matter time when the current wave of prosperity falters.
The bruhaha over the passage of the legislation and the campaign by the ACTU (and the BCA) reflect the very issues that brought arbitration into existence in the first place. The systematic tensions that exist between employee and employer have not disappeared with the passage of time. They've just been ameliorated by the laws historically governing industrial relations and the labour market. Human beings can be really bad to each other, especially when there are marked power differentials between them. The industrial relations of past was a brutal and ugly business. As a nation, we made such social progress under arbitration. Yet, under Howard it may all be dashed.
Yes, time will indeed tell.
Cheers,
Matthew.
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The people with a good work ethic and a preparedness to put in the time will not only make more money, they will also have a better quality of life.
Basically we fly people from point A to point B as efficently as possible within the framework of the rules, regulations and company requirements.
To become more efficent would mean cutting corners and reducing safety margins.
To put in more time would require you to come to work on your days off and work for free.
This to me does not sound like a better quality of life.
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Keep the personal attacks coming Colonel (or should I say Corporal). What a pathetic response! More to the point, you left wing union loving types are worried because you will no longer be able to bludge on the efforts of others. You will now be accountable. God forbid, what a travesty.
Have you ever run your own business old man? I suspect not with your neanderthal views. Try navigating your way through the red tape, bureaucracy and archaic IR laws. An absolute joke in every sense of the word.
Mtom, congratulations on putting a cut n paste from economics 103 here in Prune. What they don't teach you in Uni mate is how to deal with the REAL world. It sounds hauntingly familiar to a left wing ideology proliferated by Hawke. In reality however, the left wing economic rationalists and theorists are historically incorrect. Hence every time Labor wins government, the Australian economy starts to spiral out of control. "The recession we had to have". What a bloody joke.
Do you know what a cohesive argument is Kurtz? There is a bit more to it than your contrary, one dimensional septegenarian view. I look forward to seeing you eat your words this time next year when the prophets of doom will once again be proved wrong.
Have you ever run your own business old man? I suspect not with your neanderthal views. Try navigating your way through the red tape, bureaucracy and archaic IR laws. An absolute joke in every sense of the word.
Mtom, congratulations on putting a cut n paste from economics 103 here in Prune. What they don't teach you in Uni mate is how to deal with the REAL world. It sounds hauntingly familiar to a left wing ideology proliferated by Hawke. In reality however, the left wing economic rationalists and theorists are historically incorrect. Hence every time Labor wins government, the Australian economy starts to spiral out of control. "The recession we had to have". What a bloody joke.
Do you know what a cohesive argument is Kurtz? There is a bit more to it than your contrary, one dimensional septegenarian view. I look forward to seeing you eat your words this time next year when the prophets of doom will once again be proved wrong.
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Wow Coitus
You aren't a Florida Republican are you?
Or an under 25 that has never had to struggle or battle for their goals or what they wish to achieve (silver spoon?)?
Keating's and Howard's econs. have flaws what is your point?
mtom
Nicely put
Or an under 25 that has never had to struggle or battle for their goals or what they wish to achieve (silver spoon?)?
Keating's and Howard's econs. have flaws what is your point?
mtom
Nicely put
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Whilst not a supporter of this legislation, I heard a Labor Party politician being interviewed (whose name eludes me).
This person claimed that similar industrial relations reforms have taken place recently in both Germany as well as Italy.
Interesting to see how things have progressed there.
France on the other hand is an industrial and economic basket case with severe economic and social problems which need to be rectified.
This person claimed that similar industrial relations reforms have taken place recently in both Germany as well as Italy.
Interesting to see how things have progressed there.
France on the other hand is an industrial and economic basket case with severe economic and social problems which need to be rectified.
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your bull**** washes thin coitus - i used to think howard was great for australia - but after the IR laws - i think we are heading for an american style of working poor .as howard has said "thats unaustralian"
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Nice stir. My guess is you are not a student of history.
A post I saw on another forum yesterday sums it up for a lot of people who do read history:
Listened today to the Senate putting the final nail in the coffin of our Australian work values - and hopefully to their own political future.
From the moment last year Senator Boswell publicly faltered under the glare of the TV cameras and uttered to 'the rodent' via the phone, "youve got Open Slather!", the writing was on the wall that the whole electoral campaign was a sham - the agenda had done an about turn and was now squarely set on a 'non-core' mandate - one of ideology over neccessity.
The ideology of one little man with a very small vision. Myopic enough to destroy what we value about Australia - a fair go.
Howards only remaining purpose in office was to pay back the ALP for all the years they frustrated him. He would attack the ACTU and the workers of the country in a giant race to the bottom of workers rights - something that would appear to be taken for granted by those who enjoy them but no longer remember their birth or the harsh reasons for that birth. All in the interests of reducing the funding and powerbase of the ALP - pure petty revenge. This is supposed to advance Australia?
It's the last gambit by a lame duck PM to align us finally with the US - I imagine the ceremony for the pinning of the 51st star to the Spangled Banner will be soon - maybe they could combine it with the annointment of Howard as FULL Sherrif?
My only hope - the result of all this will shake Australians out of their widescreen-playstation-infotainment-diversionary apathetic trance. How else do you explain what is going on with no reaction?
I dont know many who voted for the coalition - granted I don't mix in the 'A Current Affair / Daily Telegraph / Celebrity Renovator Dancing Diet Survivor" set - but of the few I DO know of, none voted for an agenda that within 1 year has seen legislation upholding the removal of paid maternity leave, removal of equal pay for women in the workplace, and removal of penalty rates for public holiday or unsociable hours - but that is what happened today.
Shame on you Howard - and shame on your spineless party for not standing up to you when so many of them know it is wrong - not just politically stupid, but morally wrong.
I hope you Liberal voters think hard in 2007 about what you have unleashed. And I am not talking about voting the ALP in - I am talking about voting these arrogant fascists OUT!
Nice stir. My guess is you are not a student of history.
A post I saw on another forum yesterday sums it up for a lot of people who do read history:
Listened today to the Senate putting the final nail in the coffin of our Australian work values - and hopefully to their own political future.
From the moment last year Senator Boswell publicly faltered under the glare of the TV cameras and uttered to 'the rodent' via the phone, "youve got Open Slather!", the writing was on the wall that the whole electoral campaign was a sham - the agenda had done an about turn and was now squarely set on a 'non-core' mandate - one of ideology over neccessity.
The ideology of one little man with a very small vision. Myopic enough to destroy what we value about Australia - a fair go.
Howards only remaining purpose in office was to pay back the ALP for all the years they frustrated him. He would attack the ACTU and the workers of the country in a giant race to the bottom of workers rights - something that would appear to be taken for granted by those who enjoy them but no longer remember their birth or the harsh reasons for that birth. All in the interests of reducing the funding and powerbase of the ALP - pure petty revenge. This is supposed to advance Australia?
It's the last gambit by a lame duck PM to align us finally with the US - I imagine the ceremony for the pinning of the 51st star to the Spangled Banner will be soon - maybe they could combine it with the annointment of Howard as FULL Sherrif?
My only hope - the result of all this will shake Australians out of their widescreen-playstation-infotainment-diversionary apathetic trance. How else do you explain what is going on with no reaction?
I dont know many who voted for the coalition - granted I don't mix in the 'A Current Affair / Daily Telegraph / Celebrity Renovator Dancing Diet Survivor" set - but of the few I DO know of, none voted for an agenda that within 1 year has seen legislation upholding the removal of paid maternity leave, removal of equal pay for women in the workplace, and removal of penalty rates for public holiday or unsociable hours - but that is what happened today.
Shame on you Howard - and shame on your spineless party for not standing up to you when so many of them know it is wrong - not just politically stupid, but morally wrong.
I hope you Liberal voters think hard in 2007 about what you have unleashed. And I am not talking about voting the ALP in - I am talking about voting these arrogant fascists OUT!
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The people on your unreferenced forum obviously do as much research as most PPruNe posters 
Perhaps those people "who do read history" should start getting it from somewhere other than leftist propaganda.
Clearly they don't mix in the "A Current Affair / Daily Telegraph / Celebrity Renovator Dancing Diet Survivor" set; that would be setting the bar a tad too high, now woudn't it
Perhaps those people "who do read history" should start getting it from somewhere other than leftist propaganda.
Clearly they don't mix in the "A Current Affair / Daily Telegraph / Celebrity Renovator Dancing Diet Survivor" set; that would be setting the bar a tad too high, now woudn't it
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Where did you bring up that load of crap?
www.communist.com.au ??
Was that an advert for the ALP??? You really should have placed one of those "Written and authorised by ... " at the bottom.
Your claim that
is unbelievable! In the words of the great John McEnroe:
You cannot be serious!
Where did you bring up that load of crap?
www.communist.com.au ??
Was that an advert for the ALP??? You really should have placed one of those "Written and authorised by ... " at the bottom.
Your claim that
A post I saw on another forum yesterday sums it up for a lot of people who do read history
You cannot be serious!
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1256.
That was singularly the funniest piece of diatribe I have ever seen here on prune. Keep them coming, I have not laughed so hard for a long time. Please advise exactly why one has to read history to be privy to the past. In the 1980's under Hawke and Keating, interest rates were nearly 20%, unemployment was at record levels and the government foreign debt was over $200 billion. In the past 9 years (under Howard) that has all been turned around. I have experienced both regimes mate. I dont need a history lesson.
How else do you explain what is going on with no reaction?
Gee that's a tough one Gerald but let me have a guess....maybe because the majority of Australians have the brains to work out that we need significant change and to move away from a 19th century ideology.
I dont know many who voted for the coalition
Mate I know plenty, and there will be many more after these changes have had time to settle in. Poor old Bomber Beasley will still be running around trying to stitch up the factions and come a up with a policy agenda.
Keep the psuedo intellectual, bourgeois left wing ideolgy flowing gents. If nothing else it provides great entertainment for the rest of us.
That was singularly the funniest piece of diatribe I have ever seen here on prune. Keep them coming, I have not laughed so hard for a long time. Please advise exactly why one has to read history to be privy to the past. In the 1980's under Hawke and Keating, interest rates were nearly 20%, unemployment was at record levels and the government foreign debt was over $200 billion. In the past 9 years (under Howard) that has all been turned around. I have experienced both regimes mate. I dont need a history lesson.
How else do you explain what is going on with no reaction?
Gee that's a tough one Gerald but let me have a guess....maybe because the majority of Australians have the brains to work out that we need significant change and to move away from a 19th century ideology.
I dont know many who voted for the coalition
Mate I know plenty, and there will be many more after these changes have had time to settle in. Poor old Bomber Beasley will still be running around trying to stitch up the factions and come a up with a policy agenda.
Keep the psuedo intellectual, bourgeois left wing ideolgy flowing gents. If nothing else it provides great entertainment for the rest of us.
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Hey Coitus, you've got alot of nerve calling others pseudo intellectuals, when all you do is sprogg at the mouth with verbatim liberal party policy!
Call it what you like - but there are people who are worried about those that aren't as priveleged or empowered as themselves.
Obviously you're one of them.
By the way, did you make your money yourself?
Call it what you like - but there are people who are worried about those that aren't as priveleged or empowered as themselves.
Obviously you're one of them.
By the way, did you make your money yourself?
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Amazing.
All of you princesses get your Tiara's at a tilt over what you describe as left wing propoganda, and then all you have to retaliate with is essentially the right wing propoganda the equivalent of a WorkChoices advertisement!
Did you really mean to say that?
I can see we are straining your faculties.
Next you will be telling me there are WMD's in Iraq?
I think we know the true vision of ignoramii such as yourself:
All of you princesses get your Tiara's at a tilt over what you describe as left wing propoganda, and then all you have to retaliate with is essentially the right wing propoganda the equivalent of a WorkChoices advertisement!
Please advise exactly why one has to read history to be privy to the past.
I can see we are straining your faculties.
Next you will be telling me there are WMD's in Iraq?
I think we know the true vision of ignoramii such as yourself:
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hoWARd is just a man with no vision, he has run out of ideas. The only way now that he can figure out to improve the economy by a bees dick is to bend over 60% of Australian workers.
Wake up people - you have been conned again by The Lying King.
... And where are those Weapons Of Mass Deception???????
Wake up people - you have been conned again by The Lying King.
... And where are those Weapons Of Mass Deception???????
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Who let the "Greens" and "Socialist Alliance" out of their animal cage?
Back... back to your shanty town you left wing peasants!
Back... back to your shanty town you left wing peasants!
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