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I've read all the preceding posts with interest.
I knew a lot of Compass Mk1 & 2 'victims' in the "sandpit". I hope Ozjet doesn't go the same way.
Does anyone know anything about the CC deal? Could be an interesting gig.
Personally, I'm all for shaking up QF. Ansett knew about service. VB is all very jolly, but frankly if you sling the punters a feed, at least they stay out of your hair for a while. The majority of QF crew wouldn't know good service if it bit them....and this applies to all classes of travel. Their catch phrase should be " Would you like some attitude with that? Or would you rather a large serve of patronizing condescenion on the side?". So there is definitely a gap in the market. Good luck to them....I hope they suceed.
I knew a lot of Compass Mk1 & 2 'victims' in the "sandpit". I hope Ozjet doesn't go the same way.
Does anyone know anything about the CC deal? Could be an interesting gig.
Personally, I'm all for shaking up QF. Ansett knew about service. VB is all very jolly, but frankly if you sling the punters a feed, at least they stay out of your hair for a while. The majority of QF crew wouldn't know good service if it bit them....and this applies to all classes of travel. Their catch phrase should be " Would you like some attitude with that? Or would you rather a large serve of patronizing condescenion on the side?". So there is definitely a gap in the market. Good luck to them....I hope they suceed.
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I think there's a niche as long as the product stays reliable, too.
They have just announced a $200 one-way seat deal all this week. Obviously trying to encourage the punters to give it a whirl. $400 round trip makes it cheaper than DJ fully-flexible fares. Will be interesting to see how good the load factors are in the first few days.
The TV ad is pretty dire though. You'd have thought they could have done something better than "Do my ears deceive me or do those engines sound magnificent?" I'm sure they'll sound great to the residents of Rockdale, Redfern and Randwick, as well as Digger's Rest, Sunbury and Lower Plenty...
Their e-mail marketing is pretty primitive too. Still, they obviously aren't wasting any money dragging in experts to help them on non-core components of the business! Stoddy's even an extra in the TV advert!
Good luck, and to all who fly on her.
VHCU
They have just announced a $200 one-way seat deal all this week. Obviously trying to encourage the punters to give it a whirl. $400 round trip makes it cheaper than DJ fully-flexible fares. Will be interesting to see how good the load factors are in the first few days.
The TV ad is pretty dire though. You'd have thought they could have done something better than "Do my ears deceive me or do those engines sound magnificent?" I'm sure they'll sound great to the residents of Rockdale, Redfern and Randwick, as well as Digger's Rest, Sunbury and Lower Plenty...
Their e-mail marketing is pretty primitive too. Still, they obviously aren't wasting any money dragging in experts to help them on non-core components of the business! Stoddy's even an extra in the TV advert!
Good luck, and to all who fly on her.
VHCU
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"Do my ears deceive me or do those engines sound magnificent?"
If QF or VB can be bothered responding he has just handed them an own goal
Geez as far back as the seventies even, Capt Bristow Stagg was pushing "cabin quiet" hushpower of the VC10 for BOAC, and it was a fantastic passenger aircraft. Made the pax feel warm and fuzzy but the ears of the people on the ground would ring for days after a departure or arrival with the sound of those magnificent engines.
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Was this the same Captain Bristow that did adverts in Australia for Ronson electrical products back in the early seventies?
The add concluded thus, " And to the thief that stole my daughters Ronson hairdryer, I admire your taste, I dont admire your habits".
Yeah......that add worked a treat!!
As for the article quote:
"Australian investors may get a chance to own some shares in a public float that could be less than three years away."
Thats really comforting seeing as Virgin Blue shares are down over 35% since its float and in that same period they could have almost doubled their money investing in companies such as BHP or CSL.
Now Richard Branson is furious they paid a dividend to the shareholders that have lost so much!!!
On yer Dicky !!
The add concluded thus, " And to the thief that stole my daughters Ronson hairdryer, I admire your taste, I dont admire your habits".
Yeah......that add worked a treat!!
As for the article quote:
"Australian investors may get a chance to own some shares in a public float that could be less than three years away."
Thats really comforting seeing as Virgin Blue shares are down over 35% since its float and in that same period they could have almost doubled their money investing in companies such as BHP or CSL.
Now Richard Branson is furious they paid a dividend to the shareholders that have lost so much!!!
On yer Dicky !!
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BCD, I'm not sure when VB floated, but if you bought BHP shares in April 2003 at low $8's then you would have almost trebled your money.
Fortunately I did, but as always never nearly enough of them. Imagine if a punter had the balls to put his entire super into just one share, BHP, and 2 years and 7 months later took out almost three times the initial investment, less 15% tax of course.
Woodside has been almost as good.
I hope they make a go of it. All the best OzJet.
Fortunately I did, but as always never nearly enough of them. Imagine if a punter had the balls to put his entire super into just one share, BHP, and 2 years and 7 months later took out almost three times the initial investment, less 15% tax of course.
Woodside has been almost as good.
I hope they make a go of it. All the best OzJet.
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Seen the shiney new web site? (notice the employment section is gone...)
Had a look-see, still a zillion tix for the flight tomorrow, so wonder how many are going on it then??
Had a look-see, still a zillion tix for the flight tomorrow, so wonder how many are going on it then??
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Whilst I would never dare contradict Gaunty...
I must say that I was sure that Capt Bristow, of the BA ads a trillion years ago, was one Capt Norman Bristow!
What do you think G?
Oh! and by the way R737...
that was a joke on the other thread...
I rather thought you, of all people,would have picked that!
I must say that I was sure that Capt Bristow, of the BA ads a trillion years ago, was one Capt Norman Bristow!
What do you think G?
Oh! and by the way R737...
that was a joke on the other thread...
I rather thought you, of all people,would have picked that!
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Guys Guys Whoa !
I have had an interview today with a recruitment agency representing the interests of a new Melbourne Domestic and International start up. I have been sworn to absolute secrecy.
They are going to operate A320, A350 and A380 aircraft and the orders were placed at the Dubai airshow by their agency partners.
F***k what's happening ??? Are they loaded or what?
Gee wiz I hope Ozjet gets more than just a few passengers, but look, give them time it takes time to build traffic. $200 is not a bad deal although I would prefer the secuirty of back up aircraft any time because nothing more boring than getting stuck due to breakdowns. I think he has far too many flights for the start up. I reckon 1 in the AM and 1 in the PM is enough for the first month. OK so maybe I am not an airline brain but remember good old Jet Air that purple DC3? It went belly up because it couldn't attract the custom.
They are going to operate A320, A350 and A380 aircraft and the orders were placed at the Dubai airshow by their agency partners.
F***k what's happening ??? Are they loaded or what?
Gee wiz I hope Ozjet gets more than just a few passengers, but look, give them time it takes time to build traffic. $200 is not a bad deal although I would prefer the secuirty of back up aircraft any time because nothing more boring than getting stuck due to breakdowns. I think he has far too many flights for the start up. I reckon 1 in the AM and 1 in the PM is enough for the first month. OK so maybe I am not an airline brain but remember good old Jet Air that purple DC3? It went belly up because it couldn't attract the custom.
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OzJet boss fires salvo
Tue "Herald Sun"
OzJet boss fires salvo
John Masanauskas
29nov05
OZJET owner Paul Stoddart yesterday lashed out at the Ansett administrators on the eve of his airline's maiden flight.
Melbourne-born Mr Stoddart said administrators KordaMentha had rebuffed his bid to buy two former Ansett properties now being leased by OzJet.
"I'm sick to death of them," he said. "They are doing our head in."
Mr Stoddart said he had offered KordaMentha an above-market price for OzJet's corporate headquarters in Garden Drive, Tullamarine.
The administrators had also proved difficult in talks to buy the former Ansett maintenance base at Melbourne airport, Mr Stoddart said.
But KordaMentha partner Mark Korda denied the claims.
"We have had talks with various parties and if we did receive above-market offers, we'd be delighted," Mr Korda said.
OzJet, aimed at business flyers, was to start services today between Melbourne and Sydney.
It is offering a special launch fare of $200 one way, but a standard one way ticket will cost $325.
Mr Stoddart said bookings for the first week had passed break-even point, but he had expected more support from the public.
"I'm amazed that Qantas has cut their business fares by a third recently," he said.
Qantas executive general manager John Borghetti said while he didn't want to put OzJet out of business, Qantas would keep up the pressure on fares.
"We will do what is legal and appropriate, and do it in a competitive way," Mr Borghetti said.
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OzJet boss fires salvo
John Masanauskas
29nov05
OZJET owner Paul Stoddart yesterday lashed out at the Ansett administrators on the eve of his airline's maiden flight.
Melbourne-born Mr Stoddart said administrators KordaMentha had rebuffed his bid to buy two former Ansett properties now being leased by OzJet.
"I'm sick to death of them," he said. "They are doing our head in."
Mr Stoddart said he had offered KordaMentha an above-market price for OzJet's corporate headquarters in Garden Drive, Tullamarine.
The administrators had also proved difficult in talks to buy the former Ansett maintenance base at Melbourne airport, Mr Stoddart said.
But KordaMentha partner Mark Korda denied the claims.
"We have had talks with various parties and if we did receive above-market offers, we'd be delighted," Mr Korda said.
OzJet, aimed at business flyers, was to start services today between Melbourne and Sydney.
It is offering a special launch fare of $200 one way, but a standard one way ticket will cost $325.
Mr Stoddart said bookings for the first week had passed break-even point, but he had expected more support from the public.
"I'm amazed that Qantas has cut their business fares by a third recently," he said.
Qantas executive general manager John Borghetti said while he didn't want to put OzJet out of business, Qantas would keep up the pressure on fares.
"We will do what is legal and appropriate, and do it in a competitive way," Mr Borghetti said.
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you'll have to enlighten me amos2. On the joke I mean. I don't recall the thread, but haven't been here for a while until a couple of days back.
Let's hope there is a bidding war for former AN properties, and the price may go up, thereby benefitting those former Ansett people needing cash.
And I still say Go OzJet
Let's hope there is a bidding war for former AN properties, and the price may go up, thereby benefitting those former Ansett people needing cash.
And I still say Go OzJet
short flights long nights
Escape Slide, by looking at the Gold Airway forum, from another link, I would assume these are the people you had secret talks with. I wish them the best, but I have my doubts......?????
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amos2 me old.
You are of course quite correct.
'twas indeed Capt Norman Bristow, aka Captain Hushpower, I'm not even sure the ads weren't in black & white.
Cant think where I got the Stagg from 'cept there area number of families of the B-S name in Perth.
That magnificent aircraft was my favourite steed as a pax and it wasn't any noisier than it then competitors. Last commercial flight in Oz was 1976 methinks BNE/SIN.
Nice bit of media manipulation by Stoddart on the Ansett Tulla site there
You are of course quite correct.
'twas indeed Capt Norman Bristow, aka Captain Hushpower, I'm not even sure the ads weren't in black & white.
Cant think where I got the Stagg from 'cept there area number of families of the B-S name in Perth.
That magnificent aircraft was my favourite steed as a pax and it wasn't any noisier than it then competitors. Last commercial flight in Oz was 1976 methinks BNE/SIN.
Nice bit of media manipulation by Stoddart on the Ansett Tulla site there
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Let's hope Stoddard isn't going to be a Branson/Godfrey clone and whinge about every perceived injustice at the hands of the established operators.
Beats paying for advertising though.
I'd like to see him make a go of it though.
Beats paying for advertising though.
I'd like to see him make a go of it though.
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ABC News tonight said today's inaugral flight today had 57 people on board but said that most were on freebies, invited by Stoddart. They also said that the response had not been overwhelming and that most of next week's flights had loads in single digits. Its gonna be a long hot (dry) Christmas methinks. Looks like Stoddart will be delving into his "war chest" earlier than he thought (history has shown that he has never had one).
Makes his article yesterday look disingenuous eh? "loads at break even" - bullsh*t.
Someone should teach Stoddart some basic rules for start-ups; you lead with the low-fare (i.e. $200 o/w), you don't aim high with the high fare (i.e. $300+) and then back down later and send a clear message to everyone that no-one is buying your tickets.
"expected more support from the public"! - Why? You've got crappy old aircraft aimed at the top end of the market when even the bottom of the barrell leisure carriers are carting everyone around in brand spanking new A320's and B737-NGs. You've got a flight every 2 hours, when your competition is running every 30 minutes - surprisingly enough delivering to the markets needs.
This clown has overestimated the average business persons support for the "aussie battler".
Makes his article yesterday look disingenuous eh? "loads at break even" - bullsh*t.
Someone should teach Stoddart some basic rules for start-ups; you lead with the low-fare (i.e. $200 o/w), you don't aim high with the high fare (i.e. $300+) and then back down later and send a clear message to everyone that no-one is buying your tickets.
"expected more support from the public"! - Why? You've got crappy old aircraft aimed at the top end of the market when even the bottom of the barrell leisure carriers are carting everyone around in brand spanking new A320's and B737-NGs. You've got a flight every 2 hours, when your competition is running every 30 minutes - surprisingly enough delivering to the markets needs.
This clown has overestimated the average business persons support for the "aussie battler".
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Agree
Just going back through some of the threads I think some of you are proving right in your estimations. This is exactly why I was uneasy about working for them. they didn't seem to have any nous.
Does any one know if the last flight from Sydney got clear of the curfew on 11/29/05 ?
Does any one know if the last flight from Sydney got clear of the curfew on 11/29/05 ?
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Sadly business traffic is starting to reduce as we approach Christmas, and will not bounce back till late January early February.
Now I know everyone's an expert, but I would have started in February if it was me...
Now I know everyone's an expert, but I would have started in February if it was me...