Qantas passes baton to Jetstar
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I am only relaying what acquaintances in Jet Star have told me.
Bulk time on type doesn't guarantee quality or standard.
The abuse on this forum really is unique to here, isn' it.
Bulk time on type doesn't guarantee quality or standard.
The abuse on this forum really is unique to here, isn' it.
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Got to agree there Hi'er. I must say these sprays of vitriol carry a lot more creedence when you spell a word like "Karma" correctly.
Maybe I am just being a spelling A>H though.
(A is greater than H? Must be something cryptic that only the intelligentsia know about...)
Maybe I am just being a spelling A>H though.
(A is greater than H? Must be something cryptic that only the intelligentsia know about...)
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Pete,
“Your talking exception rather than rule, we all know the core of Jetstar is Impulse and your slope is even slipprier if you think that Jetstar has an experience advantage over Qantas..”
I must apologize; my comments were referring to the A320 fleet only. I do not know anybody flying the 717 but I have many former Ansett colleagues flying the Airbus. Maybe I am talking the exception and not the rule. But one thing is for sure, the crew operating the aircraft at Jetstar AND Qantas would be considered highly qualified by global standards. Having flown for various Asian carriers in addition to Ansett, I can assure you, an experience debate wrt Australia is not worth the screen it’s typed on. I regret getting sucked into it.
“Do you remember the days when Impulse was the airline you got into when you couldn't get into any other airline?”
Not really, but I remember when a lot of Impulse pilots subsequently moved on to airlines such as Qantas, Dragonair, Cathay and especially Ansett. They can’t have been that bad.
“Your talking exception rather than rule, we all know the core of Jetstar is Impulse and your slope is even slipprier if you think that Jetstar has an experience advantage over Qantas..”
I must apologize; my comments were referring to the A320 fleet only. I do not know anybody flying the 717 but I have many former Ansett colleagues flying the Airbus. Maybe I am talking the exception and not the rule. But one thing is for sure, the crew operating the aircraft at Jetstar AND Qantas would be considered highly qualified by global standards. Having flown for various Asian carriers in addition to Ansett, I can assure you, an experience debate wrt Australia is not worth the screen it’s typed on. I regret getting sucked into it.
“Do you remember the days when Impulse was the airline you got into when you couldn't get into any other airline?”
Not really, but I remember when a lot of Impulse pilots subsequently moved on to airlines such as Qantas, Dragonair, Cathay and especially Ansett. They can’t have been that bad.
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Its good to see you are all taking a sensible and well thought out united approach to the prospective terms and conditions that will be offered by the company, eventually to all pilots! The inevitable is coming, just how will the united be divided up? And how difficult would it be to sell Jetstar International to Singapore?
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Cutest of Borg, I do not work for Jetstar – I am not trying to make it sound great to work for Jetstar.
The efficiencies I listed may or may not work the pilot into the ground – it is totally irrelevant. Dixon doesn’t give a toss how tired his pilots are. He doesn’t care a flying F@#$ if they are not promoted. What he is aiming for is to have his staffing costs and work practices more in line with other airlines in similar positions.
The nightstops I refer to are not in ports with daily service only although some of these could become a tad more efficient.
You and I both know that the company would have MEL based 767 crews in a flash if it were not for the obstructive tactics of AIPA.
And also borg, What do you think the going rate is and how do you come up with the numbers.
The efficiencies I listed may or may not work the pilot into the ground – it is totally irrelevant. Dixon doesn’t give a toss how tired his pilots are. He doesn’t care a flying F@#$ if they are not promoted. What he is aiming for is to have his staffing costs and work practices more in line with other airlines in similar positions.
The nightstops I refer to are not in ports with daily service only although some of these could become a tad more efficient.
You and I both know that the company would have MEL based 767 crews in a flash if it were not for the obstructive tactics of AIPA.
And also borg, What do you think the going rate is and how do you come up with the numbers.
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Actually wanqar, I know for a fact that AIPA has suggested other bases for the B767 but has been told by QF that the cost savings in accom and allowances are offset by the need to position crews for training in Sydney.
Additionally, as the flying program on all fleets is so fluid and chageable that it is very difficult to work out aircrew resources in multiple basings (according to QF anyhow)
The A330 has two bases and this has resulted in massive inequities (read inefficient use of labour) in divisiors due to the need to try and spread the flying.
WANQRA or whatever your name is - I dont disagree there are efficiencies that could be unearthed from the contract with little pain from either side, but I think in this instance you are talking through your bottom.
Additionally, as the flying program on all fleets is so fluid and chageable that it is very difficult to work out aircrew resources in multiple basings (according to QF anyhow)
The A330 has two bases and this has resulted in massive inequities (read inefficient use of labour) in divisiors due to the need to try and spread the flying.
WANQRA or whatever your name is - I dont disagree there are efficiencies that could be unearthed from the contract with little pain from either side, but I think in this instance you are talking through your bottom.
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the cost savings in accom and allowances are offset by the need to position crews for training in Sydney.
Or do a lotta ya have problems comin up with the goods on the day, an 'avta go back regular for repeat sessions?
(Sounds like a cock'nbull story yer tryin' to spin us there Cal)
Be seein' youse round.
"Nothing wrong with that, you say, however many MORE experienced people than those holding the check & training positions were "bypassed" in favour of their like-mindeds."
HI'er, very true statement!
HI'er, very true statement!
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Callig – As you said, the A330 has two bases and this has resulted in massive inequities – precisely why AIPA is against 767 crew being based in MEL.
What some smart airlines do is have crew OPERATE the aircraft to a base where training is undertaken and then maybe OPERATE the aircraft back home the next day or the day later.
Nice try but most of us have mates in QF that dont sugar coat the realities of living in a sheltered workshop.
What some smart airlines do is have crew OPERATE the aircraft to a base where training is undertaken and then maybe OPERATE the aircraft back home the next day or the day later.
Nice try but most of us have mates in QF that dont sugar coat the realities of living in a sheltered workshop.
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OK.
To clear this up once and for all.
I spoke to a senior AIPA COM member on this issue yesterday. He confirmed that AIPA has no objections to a melbourne base for the B767, indeed in the recent past AIPA has floated the idea to QAL and was told no.
In this cost environment, if there is one dollar to be saved QF would be doing it I can assure you
Additionally, he pointed out to me that even if there was objections QAL could open the base anyway because the CA allows them to do it.
Finally, there are a shed load of crew that commute from Mel. The base would be very popular and they would have no problem crewing it.
Your point on the A330 supports what I have been saying.
For whatever reasons QF is unable to balance the flying to achieve optimum utilisation of aircrew resources. This is not a function of the award but is linked to the route structure which is now predominately out of Sydney. That the flying progam for this aircraft has changed making the base unviable is neither the pilots nor AIPA's fault.
WANQA - You posts show little understanding of the CA or what goes on inside QAL. I have come to the conclusion you are a wind up merchant. Most likely another bitter and twisted ex Ansett clown who blames QF for the fact he is stuck o/s in some $hithole and is trying desperately to get back to Aust by running QF pilots down and looking to $cabb on us.
If you are going to bad mouth our work practices, next time pick something that is within our pervue to control.
To clear this up once and for all.
I spoke to a senior AIPA COM member on this issue yesterday. He confirmed that AIPA has no objections to a melbourne base for the B767, indeed in the recent past AIPA has floated the idea to QAL and was told no.
In this cost environment, if there is one dollar to be saved QF would be doing it I can assure you
Additionally, he pointed out to me that even if there was objections QAL could open the base anyway because the CA allows them to do it.
Finally, there are a shed load of crew that commute from Mel. The base would be very popular and they would have no problem crewing it.
Your point on the A330 supports what I have been saying.
For whatever reasons QF is unable to balance the flying to achieve optimum utilisation of aircrew resources. This is not a function of the award but is linked to the route structure which is now predominately out of Sydney. That the flying progam for this aircraft has changed making the base unviable is neither the pilots nor AIPA's fault.
WANQA - You posts show little understanding of the CA or what goes on inside QAL. I have come to the conclusion you are a wind up merchant. Most likely another bitter and twisted ex Ansett clown who blames QF for the fact he is stuck o/s in some $hithole and is trying desperately to get back to Aust by running QF pilots down and looking to $cabb on us.
If you are going to bad mouth our work practices, next time pick something that is within our pervue to control.
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Calligula – this is the same AIPA that tells you QF pilots are the lowest paid 767 drivers in the world. Very accurate source of info huh.
I love the way you QF guys always dismiss commentary on your company or conditions as being a windup, or bitterness, or someone who wants to scab on you. Heres a news flash – not everybody wants to work for QF – me included. Take a look at my handle – people leave QF to come to the airline I work for, not the other way around you twit. Most ex AN guys that got into QF have either ditched your outfit or taken a posting in Jetstar. Ever wonder why.
I love the way you QF guys always dismiss commentary on your company or conditions as being a windup, or bitterness, or someone who wants to scab on you. Heres a news flash – not everybody wants to work for QF – me included. Take a look at my handle – people leave QF to come to the airline I work for, not the other way around you twit. Most ex AN guys that got into QF have either ditched your outfit or taken a posting in Jetstar. Ever wonder why.
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You are all giving me a headache. Can't you all be friendly just a little bit friendly.
We are all lucky to fly in a safe profitable envirnoment. I know people in each airline mentioned and we don't work that hard nor for too little money really.
However, if you want great money, flexible hours, friendly customers (mostly) and the great outdoors (mostly), take up plumbing.
We are all lucky to fly in a safe profitable envirnoment. I know people in each airline mentioned and we don't work that hard nor for too little money really.
However, if you want great money, flexible hours, friendly customers (mostly) and the great outdoors (mostly), take up plumbing.
