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why the hell would we want the 'bali 9' back here? Schapelle's case is creating a storm as no-one (as in ordinary aussie's) really knows what happened... whereas the '9' are happily brushed aside as they were caught red-handed with junk strapped to em?? (they knew the risk, and should pay the penalty - i don't think the penalty is appropriate but thats another thread in it's own)
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How about Derryn Hinch for the Bali nine AND Schappelle?
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Three of the Bali bombers were sentenced to death by the same court. Now I'm no expert myself, but I believe the death sentence is pretty severe punishment. Now people are saying that there is no justice administered by that court! Make up your minds. Do you want to have a bet each way?
Some of you just dont get it.
Its not a case of general opinion saying shes not guilty because she's an attractive female. The outrage is directed against the proces, which is flawed at best and currupt at worst.
If someone knowingly traffics drugs, admits to it, and is proved to have done it, then throw them to the wolves I say, with no mercy. Our standards of proof are much more strict than the developing world.
You have to be proved that you knew the drugs were there, you put them there, prior knowledge being the key. The Corby case illustrates, that while casually strolling down the beach at Kuta, someone could break into your hotel room, plant some drugs in your room, then call the cops and bingo, ur done for dealing drugs. How would you prove your innocence, afterall the drugs are in your room, therefore you must be guilty. Your're a drug dealer. How on earth do you prove your innocence.
How easy would it be to frame someone you didnt like
Its not a case of general opinion saying shes not guilty because she's an attractive female. The outrage is directed against the proces, which is flawed at best and currupt at worst.
If someone knowingly traffics drugs, admits to it, and is proved to have done it, then throw them to the wolves I say, with no mercy. Our standards of proof are much more strict than the developing world.
You have to be proved that you knew the drugs were there, you put them there, prior knowledge being the key. The Corby case illustrates, that while casually strolling down the beach at Kuta, someone could break into your hotel room, plant some drugs in your room, then call the cops and bingo, ur done for dealing drugs. How would you prove your innocence, afterall the drugs are in your room, therefore you must be guilty. Your're a drug dealer. How on earth do you prove your innocence.
How easy would it be to frame someone you didnt like
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A couple of flaws there nomorecatering:
Firstly, NOONE admits to trafficking drugs when they are sprung in a country which has harsh penalties for it. That includes Australia. The jail system of every country is full of people who maintain their innocence, including those with lengthy criminal records.
Secondly, yes it is a case of not guilty because she's an attractive female. Talkback radio, surveys, and letters columns (as unscientific as they generally are) are flooded with people who simply say 'just look at her - there is no way she could smuggle drugs'.
Thirdly, her behaviour was denoted as suspicious by customs officers both upon arriving at the terminal (hence why they went after her) and upon being challenged to open the bag. She denied it. The court took the word of the authorities over hers. The same thing would happen in any country. That's why you can't fight a speeding fine or anything else in Australia by simply saying 'the police officer is lying' and not having substantial evidence to back it up. She didn't have such evidence.
I just can't understand the Corby hysteria. Maybe she wouldn't have been found guilty here. Maybe she would have (although the penalty would undoubtedly be minimal). There is NO opinion from ANY commentators with a legal background that I've heard suggesting the judgement was in some way corrupt. On the contrary, most suggested that she did not have a strong case (and some have been abused for saying so), and that she would have to purely rely on 'reasonable doubt' being established. In the eyes of Indonesian law, it wasn't.
Firstly, NOONE admits to trafficking drugs when they are sprung in a country which has harsh penalties for it. That includes Australia. The jail system of every country is full of people who maintain their innocence, including those with lengthy criminal records.
Secondly, yes it is a case of not guilty because she's an attractive female. Talkback radio, surveys, and letters columns (as unscientific as they generally are) are flooded with people who simply say 'just look at her - there is no way she could smuggle drugs'.
Thirdly, her behaviour was denoted as suspicious by customs officers both upon arriving at the terminal (hence why they went after her) and upon being challenged to open the bag. She denied it. The court took the word of the authorities over hers. The same thing would happen in any country. That's why you can't fight a speeding fine or anything else in Australia by simply saying 'the police officer is lying' and not having substantial evidence to back it up. She didn't have such evidence.
I just can't understand the Corby hysteria. Maybe she wouldn't have been found guilty here. Maybe she would have (although the penalty would undoubtedly be minimal). There is NO opinion from ANY commentators with a legal background that I've heard suggesting the judgement was in some way corrupt. On the contrary, most suggested that she did not have a strong case (and some have been abused for saying so), and that she would have to purely rely on 'reasonable doubt' being established. In the eyes of Indonesian law, it wasn't.
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someone could break into your hotel room, plant some drugs in your room, then call the cops and bingo, ur done for dealing drugs.
Many years of doing business in Indon all tin can say is know where youre staying and know the people youre dealing with.
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Boycott??? Nah Biiiiig mistake guys by Indon terms she got off lightly.
Not one of us knows the absolute truth.
Westerners or any body for that matter do not have the right to "ignore" the facts or suggest that somehow the Indon culture and court system is inherently corrupt.
We have called for an end to corruption, the new Pres is working on it and then Corbys team asks the Pres to have it thrown out. C'mon. Corruption is not just payola.
There could not have been any other verdict. Look at it from an Indonesian point of view, young beautiful western women gets off local Indon gets the bullet. Come on thats not even Australian.
In fact I suspect the media circus and the OUR Schappelle mob including the ABC probably did more harm than good.
Bakir's call for "justice" and "whatever it takes" probably bordering on contempt and most certainly impertinent.
Howard got it exactly right, it's called respect. We respect their laws and culture they respect ours.
I don't know how plainly the countries that have the death penalty for drugs can say it.,
Is there something about death that intending druggies don't understand.
The next hazard is that the prosecution lodge an appeal against the sentence and will ry to have it upgraded.
Put your local Indon hat on and look at it in the context of how the locals get treated in the same courts and then see if you want to join the lynch or boycott mob.
Bali is not Australias private playground and an extension of the Gold Coast and we should stop behaving as if it is.
I am sure we are always welcome and ther Balinese people are special, but it is their house.
Please don't insult and embarrass them by asking for "special" treatment.
The behaviour of her supporters in court was execrable and if attempted in Australian may well have resulted in goal terms for those involved.
Oh and the few $s worth of Marijuana that the crap you get cheaper in Bali, scuse me that's why it's called Aussie Gold and brings big bucks it was worth heaps in the expat community who are the ones who pay for it, so why aren't we going after them too.
But then the Indons are so don't complain.
Not one of us knows the absolute truth.
Westerners or any body for that matter do not have the right to "ignore" the facts or suggest that somehow the Indon culture and court system is inherently corrupt.
We have called for an end to corruption, the new Pres is working on it and then Corbys team asks the Pres to have it thrown out. C'mon. Corruption is not just payola.
There could not have been any other verdict. Look at it from an Indonesian point of view, young beautiful western women gets off local Indon gets the bullet. Come on thats not even Australian.
In fact I suspect the media circus and the OUR Schappelle mob including the ABC probably did more harm than good.
Bakir's call for "justice" and "whatever it takes" probably bordering on contempt and most certainly impertinent.
Howard got it exactly right, it's called respect. We respect their laws and culture they respect ours.
I don't know how plainly the countries that have the death penalty for drugs can say it.,
Is there something about death that intending druggies don't understand.
The next hazard is that the prosecution lodge an appeal against the sentence and will ry to have it upgraded.
Put your local Indon hat on and look at it in the context of how the locals get treated in the same courts and then see if you want to join the lynch or boycott mob.
Bali is not Australias private playground and an extension of the Gold Coast and we should stop behaving as if it is.
I am sure we are always welcome and ther Balinese people are special, but it is their house.
Please don't insult and embarrass them by asking for "special" treatment.
The behaviour of her supporters in court was execrable and if attempted in Australian may well have resulted in goal terms for those involved.
Oh and the few $s worth of Marijuana that the crap you get cheaper in Bali, scuse me that's why it's called Aussie Gold and brings big bucks it was worth heaps in the expat community who are the ones who pay for it, so why aren't we going after them too.
But then the Indons are so don't complain.
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The media attention has done her no favours at all. I have no idea if she is guilty or innocent but the behaviour of the media has been out of all control in this case. What would be the Australian reaction if we busted an Indon in Sydney with bag full of drugs and he wanted to say that some dodgy baggage handlers at Denpasar planted it on him? How much sympathy would he get? People would be screaming for him to be shot too.
How the foreign media such as channel 9 managed to get into her cells is disgusting. Even Women's Day got into her cell for an interview for god's sake!!!
Guilty or inocent, next week the media will have forgotten her and she'll be left to shrivel away in her putrid cell as the rest of the world moves on. The sad thing is that it's a young life gone to waste regardless of who was doing the drug deal.
FYI, there are apparently 105 other aussies in Asian jails at this time, some on death row, for drug offences. They too all have their own story to tell.
How the foreign media such as channel 9 managed to get into her cells is disgusting. Even Women's Day got into her cell for an interview for god's sake!!!
Guilty or inocent, next week the media will have forgotten her and she'll be left to shrivel away in her putrid cell as the rest of the world moves on. The sad thing is that it's a young life gone to waste regardless of who was doing the drug deal.
FYI, there are apparently 105 other aussies in Asian jails at this time, some on death row, for drug offences. They too all have their own story to tell.
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How the foreign media such as channel 9 managed to get into her cells is disgusting. Even Women's Day got into her cell for an interview for god's sake!!!
