ALAEA EBA VII agreement
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ALAEA EBA VII agreement
Can you believe this ALAEA fed exec?? or more specifically the EBA negotiating committee???
They did a great job.......they have managed to screw us all!!
Transmission of business still there, overtime banking still there, minor increase in quotas which is not an EBA item anyway. But they got the reduction in allowances to 80% removed....WOW. That will help out about 2% of the membership!
Don't forget the increase to confined space payment... up 2 cents, thats right 2 cents per hour! Don't spend it all at once!
When are these useless clowns going to wake up to themselves?
We were in the driving seat applying a small amount of pressure for a favourable outcome, only to have them throw in the towell at the first round.
We need to pass the strong message to the exec that this EBA is unacceptable.
We need a change of the gaurd at Bexley.
and there is more great news. LAMEless tarmac is still on agenda, and customer payments only while working on that aircraft.
And for all this we get 3% each year. About 1.5% less that inflation
I personally would like to thank all the tossers involved for screwing up what was to be a long and prosperous career.
They did a great job.......they have managed to screw us all!!
Transmission of business still there, overtime banking still there, minor increase in quotas which is not an EBA item anyway. But they got the reduction in allowances to 80% removed....WOW. That will help out about 2% of the membership!
Don't forget the increase to confined space payment... up 2 cents, thats right 2 cents per hour! Don't spend it all at once!
When are these useless clowns going to wake up to themselves?
We were in the driving seat applying a small amount of pressure for a favourable outcome, only to have them throw in the towell at the first round.
We need to pass the strong message to the exec that this EBA is unacceptable.
We need a change of the gaurd at Bexley.
and there is more great news. LAMEless tarmac is still on agenda, and customer payments only while working on that aircraft.
And for all this we get 3% each year. About 1.5% less that inflation
I personally would like to thank all the tossers involved for screwing up what was to be a long and prosperous career.
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BLOWN IT BIG TIME
With everybody united( except Brisbane International) we started to have solidarity and strength in the membership. I for one am proud of the people I have worked with who have galantly held out with the overtime bans for 5 months.
Thankyou to u all.
To the negotiating committee and Brisbane international LAMES I and hope karma has her way. The question has to be why we didn't have a blanket ban on overtime!!!
WHY WHY WHY.
Hope you have a lovely trip to Malaysia (Yeah we all know you go relieving there soon )
Hey why not do more overtime while you are at it. What a :mad
FEAR AND UNCERTAINTY has reared its ugly head again
Thankyou to u all.
To the negotiating committee and Brisbane international LAMES
I and hope karma has her way. The question has to be why we didn't have a blanket ban on overtime!!! WHY WHY WHY.
Hope you have a lovely trip to Malaysia (Yeah we all know you go relieving there soon )
Hey why not do more overtime while you are at it. What a :mad
FEAR AND UNCERTAINTY has reared its ugly head again
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I posted yesterday on Pprune to have crystal reply that obviously I had a hatred towards the current exec, normally I would disagree but surely at this stage I have a Valid point
Up **** Creek in a barbwire canoe with a newspaper paddle, five knot current and it's crocodile infested.
Valid point Up **** Creek in a barbwire canoe with a newspaper paddle, five knot current and it's crocodile infested.
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FED PRES RELIEF WORK SARAWAK
YEH baby not only relief work in Malaysia for a mont but continual overtime on Air Newzealand A320's while our domestic bros. have been struggling under weight of a full overtime ban.
Can't you see why they have allowed overtime on customer aircraft???????
SHAME SHAME SHAME
Can't you see why they have allowed overtime on customer aircraft???????
SHAME SHAME SHAME
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Who the hell wants a Messiah?
I just want a descent EBA offer.
When the guys are willing to stand up and be counted, its our union leadership that lets us down.
Anybody else in the role of union executive cant do any worse than these guys have.
Prepare yourselves for mass member resignations if you keep up these antics.
No money for expensive dinners and fancy wine....heaven forbid.
Maintain the Rage
I just want a descent EBA offer.
When the guys are willing to stand up and be counted, its our union leadership that lets us down.
Anybody else in the role of union executive cant do any worse than these guys have.
Prepare yourselves for mass member resignations if you keep up these antics.
No money for expensive dinners and fancy wine....heaven forbid.
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there is plenty of people in sydney willing to work with the mexicans to get a better out come then has been achieved by these useless people.
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If the proposed agreement contains the phrase "transmission of business" they can stick it you know where.
There is only one reason they want that clause in and that's to sell us off. I have no intention of letting 20 years worth of entitlements be guaranteed by some dodgy start up company with no assets.
If the 'transmission of business clause' has no significant impact on workers entitlements, as the union will no doubt tell us, then why won't the company drop it?
I would rather take no pay rise and let the whole place turn into s#$tfight until they are forced to offer redundancies and send the work overseas.
How good would Dixon and "the Spirit of Australia " look then!!
There is only one reason they want that clause in and that's to sell us off. I have no intention of letting 20 years worth of entitlements be guaranteed by some dodgy start up company with no assets.
If the 'transmission of business clause' has no significant impact on workers entitlements, as the union will no doubt tell us, then why won't the company drop it?
I would rather take no pay rise and let the whole place turn into s#$tfight until they are forced to offer redundancies and send the work overseas.
How good would Dixon and "the Spirit of Australia " look then!!
Last edited by Woomera; 17th May 2005 at 02:11.
When you do "outsource" your maintenance, or any other function, like IT, there is one little problem that always arises - the need for quality control and administration of the outsourced contract.
Now this requires that you keep a few, just a very little few, people who have a LAME background, and perhaps licences, to keep tabs on who is doing what to who and how much Qantas is going to be paying. Now where might you find such wonderful, sensible, people, loaded with fairness and integrity??????
After reading all the allegations on this and other forums, I've always wondered what the aforesaid members of the allegedley non performing executive were going to do when there time is up because it sounds like, from their alleged behaviour, that they will not be welcome back into your community with open arms.
So my guess (and its just a guess) is that this is the last EBA you, and your executive, will ever make with QF. Both your executive and QF know it.
You guys will be shuffled off and sold to the highest bidder, however your little mates in the executive will stay behind at QF as contract administrators of the maintenance contract.
Thats why they aren't fighting. They are protecting their reputation for integrity, sensibility and fairness - and their right to wear a tie to work. One wonders if they are being "looked after".
As for the allegation that your Pres has been getting overtime while you were not, plus a "holiday" in Malaysia, I am amazed at how easy it is to corrupt people, and how cheap the price is, but thats Sydney for you.
Sorry for the **** stirring, but something has been done to "look after" certain people otherwise they would have been fighting the transmission of business clause. I've watched it being played before in an IT outsourcing project, thankfully from a safe distance.
Having said all that, you just might find that being "outsourced" may be the best thing that has ever happened to you, and you will all be laughing all the way to the bank in a few years time.
I've seen it happen once. Management thought they had done a fast one by flogging off the equivalent of a clapped out Commodore. However after two years diligent work and a bit of polish they were embarrased to realise that they had sold off a Rolls Royce instead!
Now this requires that you keep a few, just a very little few, people who have a LAME background, and perhaps licences, to keep tabs on who is doing what to who and how much Qantas is going to be paying. Now where might you find such wonderful, sensible, people, loaded with fairness and integrity??????
After reading all the allegations on this and other forums, I've always wondered what the aforesaid members of the allegedley non performing executive were going to do when there time is up because it sounds like, from their alleged behaviour, that they will not be welcome back into your community with open arms.
So my guess (and its just a guess) is that this is the last EBA you, and your executive, will ever make with QF. Both your executive and QF know it.
You guys will be shuffled off and sold to the highest bidder, however your little mates in the executive will stay behind at QF as contract administrators of the maintenance contract.
Thats why they aren't fighting. They are protecting their reputation for integrity, sensibility and fairness - and their right to wear a tie to work. One wonders if they are being "looked after".
As for the allegation that your Pres has been getting overtime while you were not, plus a "holiday" in Malaysia, I am amazed at how easy it is to corrupt people, and how cheap the price is, but thats Sydney for you.
Sorry for the **** stirring, but something has been done to "look after" certain people otherwise they would have been fighting the transmission of business clause. I've watched it being played before in an IT outsourcing project, thankfully from a safe distance.
Having said all that, you just might find that being "outsourced" may be the best thing that has ever happened to you, and you will all be laughing all the way to the bank in a few years time.
I've seen it happen once. Management thought they had done a fast one by flogging off the equivalent of a clapped out Commodore. However after two years diligent work and a bit of polish they were embarrased to realise that they had sold off a Rolls Royce instead!
Last edited by Sunfish; 10th May 2005 at 21:52.
Surely the EBA has to be voted on by the membership?
If you're not happy - which seems to be the impression I'm getting - if you and a majority of your colleagues vote NO, negotiations have to start again.
Make sure your Executive knows how you feel and what you want from YOUR EBA. It's up to you all, not just the negotiating committee to get what you want.
I know what I'd be doing if my EBA came back with 3% plus offsets.
If you're not happy - which seems to be the impression I'm getting - if you and a majority of your colleagues vote NO, negotiations have to start again.
Make sure your Executive knows how you feel and what you want from YOUR EBA. It's up to you all, not just the negotiating committee to get what you want.
I know what I'd be doing if my EBA came back with 3% plus offsets.
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Unfortunately, there will only be one vote at these meetings, and that will be whether to accept or reject offer. The ASN are going to protect their position and continue to control the process by not allowing any votes or motions from the floor.
"DICKtakers" string em up.
"DICKtakers" string em up.
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Make sure your Executive knows how you feel and what you want from YOUR EBA. It's up to you all, not just the negotiating committee to get what you want.
Vote no. Then vote no again. We don't need a new agreement. The new Exec can work on it in 12 months time.
Fordran. with respect. this is the "Last" EBA. The executive won't be there to be voted out next time around because you will all be working for something other than QF.
To put it another way, the executive doesn't care who you vote for next time around, There isn't going to be a "next time" as far as they are concerned. They already have their exit strategy (into QF management?) ready for them.
As for QF, they don't care if you reject the offer because once the Liberal party has control of the Senate, the industrial laws will be changed in their favor.
To put it another way, the executive doesn't care who you vote for next time around, There isn't going to be a "next time" as far as they are concerned. They already have their exit strategy (into QF management?) ready for them.
As for QF, they don't care if you reject the offer because once the Liberal party has control of the Senate, the industrial laws will be changed in their favor.
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Can we outsource our executive functions to the lowest bidder?
We could include performance bonuses, paid for by the members instead of performance bonuses paid under the table by the company.
We could include performance bonuses, paid for by the members instead of performance bonuses paid under the table by the company.
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Reps meeting
Check out what our elected representitives have to say about the EBA offer.
http://glsol.com/airboard/viewtopic.php?t=158&start=15
It looks like executive seem to think our backpay is a bonus for being good boys and taking the offer.
Vote NO and then bring back the bans. Get all the ports, departments and lines on board. These officials are so out of touch with the workers it is now beyond criminal.
I can not believe we voted these blokes in !
Brand me as the vocal minority and a trouble maker but most LAMES I know have been Pi$$ed off for 3 EBA's and have had enough. The Executive prey on fear and play Line and Heavy off on each other.
We are to blame for allowing them to go in a direction that the union body does not want, the rot needs to be cut out. Stop their secretive little deals and meetings. Stop the withholding of information. Take the motions from the workers and act on them!!
http://glsol.com/airboard/viewtopic.php?t=158&start=15
It looks like executive seem to think our backpay is a bonus for being good boys and taking the offer.
Vote NO and then bring back the bans. Get all the ports, departments and lines on board. These officials are so out of touch with the workers it is now beyond criminal.
I can not believe we voted these blokes in !
Brand me as the vocal minority and a trouble maker but most LAMES I know have been Pi$$ed off for 3 EBA's and have had enough. The Executive prey on fear and play Line and Heavy off on each other.
We are to blame for allowing them to go in a direction that the union body does not want, the rot needs to be cut out. Stop their secretive little deals and meetings. Stop the withholding of information. Take the motions from the workers and act on them!!
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It seems to me that this EBA7 in principle agreement may not be as popular as the exec first thought.
Well guys and gals if you are not happy with it let the exec know how you feel, in writing.
No use bashing your gums on here, as it just falls on death ears. Email them and let them know how you feel about this agreement and what course of action you want them to take.
Do it quickly because next Wednesday 18th May the exec will meet to decide your fate.
Well guys and gals if you are not happy with it let the exec know how you feel, in writing.
No use bashing your gums on here, as it just falls on death ears. Email them and let them know how you feel about this agreement and what course of action you want them to take.
Do it quickly because next Wednesday 18th May the exec will meet to decide your fate.
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It seems to me that this EBA7 in principle agreement may not be as popular as the exec first thought.
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