My guess about what QF told the ALAEA
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Could someone , maybe Crystal Marika , tell me on which bit of the offer the bans were dropped. Was it for the generous 3%?
For the "Voluntary OT Bank"( How generous )?
The huge increase in quota numbers?
Jetsmart implementation? (notice that it wasn't mentioned).
Well done everyone. We've lost the momentum from the OT bans. For what? The Cr@p that most people expected the company to put on the table was left there and we took the bans off. The same cr@p that people said they weren't prepared to accept.
And the other big one...the ACTU phone poll. Apparently now the phone poll says that people aren't prepared to stand and fight the company on the EBA. Smells like the excuse they used after the survey last eba. People wanted to take action but they all specified different things therefore they weren't really serious about industrial action so lets just accept the cr@p thats on the table as we wont get a better offer.
I can't believe that they have the hide to try that one on us again.
Shame Shame Shame.
Come on untrustee1,(crystal marina?) what have you got to say about that.
For the "Voluntary OT Bank"( How generous )?
The huge increase in quota numbers?
Jetsmart implementation? (notice that it wasn't mentioned).
Well done everyone. We've lost the momentum from the OT bans. For what? The Cr@p that most people expected the company to put on the table was left there and we took the bans off. The same cr@p that people said they weren't prepared to accept.
And the other big one...the ACTU phone poll. Apparently now the phone poll says that people aren't prepared to stand and fight the company on the EBA. Smells like the excuse they used after the survey last eba. People wanted to take action but they all specified different things therefore they weren't really serious about industrial action so lets just accept the cr@p thats on the table as we wont get a better offer.
I can't believe that they have the hide to try that one on us again.
Shame Shame Shame.
Come on untrustee1,(crystal marina?) what have you got to say about that.
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Turbo 5B,
Lets get one thing straight. There is no relationship between myself and Trustee1 as you have suggested in the final sentence of your post.
I am sure the bans were droped for the entire package not any single item.
As for what the ACTU poll does or does not indicate I am sure that the exec have used it to the betterment of their membership.
As for the quotas I feel they are generous, by my calculations they open 13 Avionic and 33 Mechanical positions in each grade from 9 through to 13.
The overtime bank is voluntary so take it or leave it.
Lets get one thing straight. There is no relationship between myself and Trustee1 as you have suggested in the final sentence of your post.
I am sure the bans were droped for the entire package not any single item.
As for what the ACTU poll does or does not indicate I am sure that the exec have used it to the betterment of their membership.
As for the quotas I feel they are generous, by my calculations they open 13 Avionic and 33 Mechanical positions in each grade from 9 through to 13.
The overtime bank is voluntary so take it or leave it.
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Preference for overtime will be given to those in the ot bank system. It’s not take it or leave it, it’s take it or get no overtime. Other areas will then be included under the HM umbrella. Don’t be fooled CM even us outstation guys can see it. HM lames don’t assume the line guys won’t reject this agreement along with you, there’s nothing in it for us and we don’t like what they’re doing to you. It is a crap deal designed to drive wedges between us. Let’s stand together as one.
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Bravo Fordran
Well Said Fordran,
That is exactly what we need, we all need to understand what the issues are as a whole and not let them break us up as a whole so as they can get their thin edges in.
That is exactly what we need, we all need to understand what the issues are as a whole and not let them break us up as a whole so as they can get their thin edges in.
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Fordran,
I do agree that there is a possibility that one day other areas of engineering and maintenance may come under the heavy maintenance umbrella. If this was to happen then they would have to abide by the arrangements made for heavy maintenance.
You are right in saying that all LAME's should stick together with a common goal.
If this offer was to be rejected by the membership I think it would be a long hard fight with the company to get a better deal. How far this fight is pushed would depend on the intestinal fortitude of the membership. I think that all members should let the exec know where they stand on this subject. It is difficult to lead a fight without membership backing.
I do agree that there is a possibility that one day other areas of engineering and maintenance may come under the heavy maintenance umbrella. If this was to happen then they would have to abide by the arrangements made for heavy maintenance.
You are right in saying that all LAME's should stick together with a common goal.
If this offer was to be rejected by the membership I think it would be a long hard fight with the company to get a better deal. How far this fight is pushed would depend on the intestinal fortitude of the membership. I think that all members should let the exec know where they stand on this subject. It is difficult to lead a fight without membership backing.
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Harder without a leader CM, God know's the industrial mind and committee behind our EBA is somewhat lacking. Bring on the Professional Negotiator who will do what he is instructed.
A new negotiation team who will have general meetings to listen and inform, act when action is necessary and enspire confidence amongst the members.
The membership showed their support, the ALAEA has showed again they cannot lead effectively.
A new negotiation team who will have general meetings to listen and inform, act when action is necessary and enspire confidence amongst the members.
The membership showed their support, the ALAEA has showed again they cannot lead effectively.
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I note on the glsol site that some of our LAMES have inferior mathematical skills or perhaps they only interpret posting to their own liking.
With reference to the quota increases in theory 37 Avionic LAME's will progress to the next grade due to the quota increases. 0 Mechanical LAME's will progress due to the quota increases because, although there are vacancies at all levels between 9 and 13, there are no mechanical LAME's that qualify to progress to these levels.
With reference to the quota increases in theory 37 Avionic LAME's will progress to the next grade due to the quota increases. 0 Mechanical LAME's will progress due to the quota increases because, although there are vacancies at all levels between 9 and 13, there are no mechanical LAME's that qualify to progress to these levels.
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Precisely the point trustee 1, 2200 qf lae's have sold themselves a lemon so that 37 avionics lae's can progress one extra grade. What part of it can't you understand, and we trust you to negotiate for us ???? not anymore buster.
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If this offer was to be rejected by the membership I think it would be a long hard fight with the company to get a better deal.
It didn't take long to get them back to the table when the higher duty ban was here. Same day they wanted to meet us. Don't lie to the members CM - T1 whoever you want to be. Any real action would increase the offer very quickly and you know it.
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Crystal Marina you are saying we should except an offer that looks after a few lames at the topp of the pay scale and forget everybody else,perhaps you are one of those at the top and have been promised an increase if this gets up,but i'm am not,i'm at the bottom where a grade 3 lame has gone up only 6% in 4 1/2 yrs (that's less than 1 1/2 % pa),how about we all stand side by side and take the company on and get a real deal for the members,not this rubbish that has been put up by QF.I think you would find that they would fold very quickly to our demands if the exec only had a back bone and started to stand up for all the members and not just a few at the top who have been promised increased levels,as everbody would have something to gain if the exec neg on everones behalf and not for just a few at the top,i think that would rally the troops to take the fight up to qantas(everyone gets something,not just you).
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From the perspective of the Executive (most of them anyway) this battle will be won if the members accept the poor offer from Qf. They don't see the fight as one between the ALAEA and Qf. They may ultimately win this battle but ever time they burn their workmates they come closer to losing the war. When the war is over, then the members will be able to stand together and fight as one.
Another rumour being spread by the OBC is that SP and his mates are to blame for the poor performance of the negotiating team. Lets just get it straight. There are 6 Qantas Councillors on the Fed Exec. Only one of them has anything to do with the EBA. He is from Sydney. All the good blokes have been excluded but amazing the OBC are still trying to blame them for the failure of the EBA committee.
It's sort of like the Liberal gov that brings in a gst them blames Labour if it proves unsuccessful.
Another rumour being spread by the OBC is that SP and his mates are to blame for the poor performance of the negotiating team. Lets just get it straight. There are 6 Qantas Councillors on the Fed Exec. Only one of them has anything to do with the EBA. He is from Sydney. All the good blokes have been excluded but amazing the OBC are still trying to blame them for the failure of the EBA committee.
It's sort of like the Liberal gov that brings in a gst them blames Labour if it proves unsuccessful.
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sys 4,
Believe me when I say that I gain nothing from this agreement except for the 3% pay rise. No progress in grade as I do not qualify. No benifit from the change in allowance conditions as I do no travelling duties.
In fact if I had a say in the matter I would be looking after the lower grade LAME's as opposed to the higher grade LAME's that are doing alright.
I agree that we should be standing side by side for a better deal but let us not overlook the consequences we may be confronted with. My concern is for the lower grade LAME's that may be supporting a wife and a couple of children that can ill afford to lose pay. What if the company decides to lockout all LAME's for a period of time to prove a point? What if we end up on the grass? The troops must be united and willing before we engage.
hangar 9 & fordran,
Lets get one thing straight. There is no relationship between me and trustee 1, OK.
hangar 9,
Secondly there are 1823 LAME\'s. 37 LAME\'s is nearly 8% of the Avionic LAME\'s. It is not the exec\'s fault if no Mechanical LAME\'s qualify to progress.
The masked goatrider,
Good rumour!
OBC??????????????
I only tell the truth!
Believe me when I say that I gain nothing from this agreement except for the 3% pay rise. No progress in grade as I do not qualify. No benifit from the change in allowance conditions as I do no travelling duties.
In fact if I had a say in the matter I would be looking after the lower grade LAME's as opposed to the higher grade LAME's that are doing alright.
I agree that we should be standing side by side for a better deal but let us not overlook the consequences we may be confronted with. My concern is for the lower grade LAME's that may be supporting a wife and a couple of children that can ill afford to lose pay. What if the company decides to lockout all LAME's for a period of time to prove a point? What if we end up on the grass? The troops must be united and willing before we engage.
hangar 9 & fordran,
Lets get one thing straight. There is no relationship between me and trustee 1, OK.
hangar 9,
Secondly there are 1823 LAME\'s. 37 LAME\'s is nearly 8% of the Avionic LAME\'s. It is not the exec\'s fault if no Mechanical LAME\'s qualify to progress.
The masked goatrider,
Good rumour!
OBC??????????????
I only tell the truth!
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I am a lower grade Lame with a wife and two kids. I can't afford not to fight this Eba. If more of a fight was put up in the last two Ebas I wouldn't be in the position that i am in at the moment.
I know that the argument was run that we only negotiate for the members we have now. The big problem with this philosophy is that soon there will be a lot of younger members that have been shafted by the encumbents. These blokes aren't happy with the "I'm all right Jack" attitude that has been our usual bargaining technique. If you shaft the blokes behind you they eventually become the majority and give you a good kick in the Ar$e.
The Eba offer on the table is specifically designed to split Line and Heavy. If we fall for it we are more stupid than we look.
As a lower grade Ame 6.5% over the last 4 years is an issue that needs to be adressed. The 1 year at level 3 before progression would have fixed that. It isn't in the document.
All I can say is please guys think of the future.
It is in our Hands.
p.s Trustee 1 of the ALAEA if you\'re reading this ... Go to your section and tell the members that Heavy Maintenance isn\'t happy with the deal. They are blissfully unaware of what is happening.
Is it deliberate?
I know that the argument was run that we only negotiate for the members we have now. The big problem with this philosophy is that soon there will be a lot of younger members that have been shafted by the encumbents. These blokes aren't happy with the "I'm all right Jack" attitude that has been our usual bargaining technique. If you shaft the blokes behind you they eventually become the majority and give you a good kick in the Ar$e.
The Eba offer on the table is specifically designed to split Line and Heavy. If we fall for it we are more stupid than we look.
As a lower grade Ame 6.5% over the last 4 years is an issue that needs to be adressed. The 1 year at level 3 before progression would have fixed that. It isn't in the document.
All I can say is please guys think of the future.
It is in our Hands.
p.s Trustee 1 of the ALAEA if you\'re reading this ... Go to your section and tell the members that Heavy Maintenance isn\'t happy with the deal. They are blissfully unaware of what is happening.
Is it deliberate?
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It may be 8% of the avionics members but again you have shown yourself as one who manipulates facts to suit their cause. It is as I stated a small percentage of the voting members 2.1%
And the total membership is also one that changes when it suits your cause, past ballots that have included those who were not eligible to vote springs to mind. When will you ever get it right T1.
And the total membership is also one that changes when it suits your cause, past ballots that have included those who were not eligible to vote springs to mind. When will you ever get it right T1.
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got not believe my eyes today when i got to work,someone or the asn had put out a document asking people to sign it and return it to bexley indicating which way they will vote,so the exec can come up with an endorsement , found everone i could and discarded them,some people have a funny view of democracy.
