My guess about what QF told the ALAEA
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What about us mech poor folk down the bottom end of the pay scale. Really going to make 
ck all diff to me. One word of advise MR Qantas do not bite the had that feeds you, cause your about to get slapped with the other.
still pissed off
What about us mech poor folk down the bottom end of the pay scale. Really going to make ck all diff to me. One word of advise MR Qantas do not bite the had that feeds you, cause your about to get slapped with the other.still pissed off
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To Crystal Marina. Regarding figures, I can tell you that the difference between a top level mechanical AME and a level 3 LAME is still about the same as it was 10 years ago. So as for your 40% increase stats, I believe they are being somewhat distorted to suit your case.
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Turbo 5B,
I couldn't agree with you more on the difference between a top level AME and a level 3 LAME. What you must consider though is that while a top level AME has reached the pinnacle of his earning capacity the LAME is only at the begining of his earning capacity, with the possibility of increasing his wage by over $700.00 per week.
As for my figures, I do apologise, I was 1.26% out in my calculations. A LAME who entered the graded pay structure as a level 3 in August 1997 on $800.00 per week would have progressed to a level 5 LAME in August 2002 on $1046.20 per week without any training. An increase of 30.77% in 5 years or 6.2% average per year. That same level 5 LAME today is on $1109.90 per week, an increase of 38.74% still with no training. If you are trying to work out how he moves 2 grades in 5 years don't forget the 3 points he was awarded in EBA 5.
Mustang Ranch, we all have to start at the bottom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I couldn't agree with you more on the difference between a top level AME and a level 3 LAME. What you must consider though is that while a top level AME has reached the pinnacle of his earning capacity the LAME is only at the begining of his earning capacity, with the possibility of increasing his wage by over $700.00 per week.
As for my figures, I do apologise, I was 1.26% out in my calculations. A LAME who entered the graded pay structure as a level 3 in August 1997 on $800.00 per week would have progressed to a level 5 LAME in August 2002 on $1046.20 per week without any training. An increase of 30.77% in 5 years or 6.2% average per year. That same level 5 LAME today is on $1109.90 per week, an increase of 38.74% still with no training. If you are trying to work out how he moves 2 grades in 5 years don't forget the 3 points he was awarded in EBA 5.
Mustang Ranch, we all have to start at the bottom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Crystal, you forgot once again those three points were a one off payment to those LAME'S employed with QANTAS at the time. New guys miss out, old guys from elsewhere miss out, any one leaving and coming back miss out. Its supposed to be recognised as a technology payment, not a bribe which it really was.
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Crystal Marina
Perhaps you could consider the following in your calculations!
As a level 3 Mechanical LAME, lets say I first entered the new graded pay structure system in August '97. Now I either completed a MECHANICAL course and entered on the licence I was first issued, or more likely completed half a course (company or otherwise) and had only completed an Airframe or Engine component.
Now your example sites 'still with no training', so we'll say I only completed an Airframe course (still level 3!). What escapes a lot of people is that a level 3 payment is for a MECHANICAL licence, not an Airframeor Engine. QF have been nice enough to pay level 3 to first licence holders, however you still have to get 6 points to progress to level 4 (other compnent + 4 points).
So using this example....
August '97 - Level 3 attained
August '00 - With 3 service points AND 3 EBA points Level 4 attained
August '04 - With 4 more service points I finally reach Level 5
Just another spin on the figures.
Maintain the Rage
Perhaps you could consider the following in your calculations!
As a level 3 Mechanical LAME, lets say I first entered the new graded pay structure system in August '97. Now I either completed a MECHANICAL course and entered on the licence I was first issued, or more likely completed half a course (company or otherwise) and had only completed an Airframe or Engine component.
Now your example sites 'still with no training', so we'll say I only completed an Airframe course (still level 3!). What escapes a lot of people is that a level 3 payment is for a MECHANICAL licence, not an Airframeor Engine. QF have been nice enough to pay level 3 to first licence holders, however you still have to get 6 points to progress to level 4 (other compnent + 4 points).
So using this example....
August '97 - Level 3 attained
August '00 - With 3 service points AND 3 EBA points Level 4 attained
August '04 - With 4 more service points I finally reach Level 5
Just another spin on the figures.
Maintain the Rage
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CM your calculations are of simple rate and not the compounding rate. The compounding rate is
r=((1046.2/800))^(1/5)-1=5.5% over the 97-02 period.
For the period 97-05
r=((1109.9/800))^(1/8)-1=4.18%
r=((1046.2/800))^(1/5)-1=5.5% over the 97-02 period.
For the period 97-05
r=((1109.9/800))^(1/8)-1=4.18%
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Looks like they've made some sort of announcement
http://glsol.com/airboard/viewtopic.php?p=1498#1498
You must be kidding
http://glsol.com/airboard/viewtopic.php?p=1498#1498
You must be kidding
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EBA VII agreement
Can you fu***n belive this ALAEA fed exec?? or more specifically the EBA negotiating committee???
They did a great job.......they have managed to screw us all!!
Transmission of business still there, overtime banking still there, minor increase in quotas which is not an EBA item anyway. But they got the reduction in allowances to 80% removed....WOW. That will help out about 2% of the membership!
Don't forget the increase to confined space payment... up 2 cents, thats right 2 cents per hour! Don't spend it all at once!
When are these useless clowns going to wake up to themselves?
We were in the driving seat applying a small amount of pressure for a favourable outcome, only to have these useless pricks throw in the towell at the first round.
We need to pass the strong message to the exec that this EBA is unacceptable.
We need a change of the gaurd at Bexley.
They did a great job.......they have managed to screw us all!!
Transmission of business still there, overtime banking still there, minor increase in quotas which is not an EBA item anyway. But they got the reduction in allowances to 80% removed....WOW. That will help out about 2% of the membership!
Don't forget the increase to confined space payment... up 2 cents, thats right 2 cents per hour! Don't spend it all at once!
When are these useless clowns going to wake up to themselves?
We were in the driving seat applying a small amount of pressure for a favourable outcome, only to have these useless pricks throw in the towell at the first round.
We need to pass the strong message to the exec that this EBA is unacceptable.
We need a change of the gaurd at Bexley.
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OK. Enough is enough.
Let me be the first to say (not the first to think though)....
LETS GROUND 'EM!
They had their chance. We played their game. Now its our turn to call the shots.
Rolling stoppages to 'discuss' current issues, unannounced, minimum of 3 hours, and one port every day for one week.
They wont know where its coming from or what hit them.
Maintain the Rage
Let me be the first to say (not the first to think though)....
LETS GROUND 'EM!
They had their chance. We played their game. Now its our turn to call the shots.
Rolling stoppages to 'discuss' current issues, unannounced, minimum of 3 hours, and one port every day for one week.
They wont know where its coming from or what hit them.
Maintain the Rage
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first of all we need a motion at the first mass meeting A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE IN THE CURRENT ALAEA EXEC,this will send a clear message to the company that the alaea exec might be in your pockect but your work force isn't,once your aircraft are grounded you will have to come to the table with more than the **** that is currently there.
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Be Careful What You Wish For!!!!!!!!
Transmission of Business is not part of the EBA offer, in fact the negotiating committee have gone one step further and secured a letter from the company stating they will honour the Transmission of business clause in the previous EBA.
The overtime bank is voluntary therefore take it or leave it. There are some of our members who have indicated a desire for an overtime bank.
The overtime bank is voluntary therefore take it or leave it. There are some of our members who have indicated a desire for an overtime bank.
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The document is out in the workplace now. See one of your reps and they will be able to give you a copy.
I think it is important that when veiwing the document you bare in mind what is not in the document rather than what is in the document.
All of the company's nasty demands have been removed, such as compulsory overtime bank, flexible rostering of twentieth days, no payment of shift penalties whilst on course and increase of part timers.
I think it is important that when veiwing the document you bare in mind what is not in the document rather than what is in the document.
All of the company's nasty demands have been removed, such as compulsory overtime bank, flexible rostering of twentieth days, no payment of shift penalties whilst on course and increase of part timers.
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All of the company's nasty demands have been removed, such as compulsory overtime bank, flexible rostering of twentieth days, no payment of shift penalties whilst on course and increase of part timers.
CM or SF as most of us know you, are you going to sell this eba based on what the company removed from their ambit claim? What about the increases we were seeking? When I think of the things that aren't included in the document I look at our eba log of claims and can honestly say that we have not got one single thing we asked for.
You and your senior officials are a pack of useless tools and we look forward to next July when you will be given the opportunity to meet some of your co-workers instead of perving up the dresses of the ALAEA female staff at the Bexley orifice.